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What is this about?...I've read the description but haven't a clue as to what is actually different.
http://press.eutechnyx.com/game/ferrari-deluxe
http://press.eutechnyx.com/game/ferrari-deluxe
It probably comes with the missing cars of the regular FC.
A cynic might say they did this partially to trick people into thinking it has new stuff, I bet it doesn't even have the DLC included like some rereleases might. I mean really, 'Deluxe edition', seems like an odd label to attach to the exact same product being sold for cheaper? 'Bargain edition' or 'What we should have charged for it in the first place given the quality of everything except the physics and engine sound edition' would have been more suitable...
Edit: Should probably point out that I'm currently playing it and quite enjoying it, but mainly because of the physics and sound: The AI, interface and glitches aren't worth the full retail price, but since I paid £15 for it, I think I'm getting what I paid for!
If any of you guys have the slightest interest in Ferrari Challenge (which wasn't that bad IMO) and want to know what's the difference between that and "Ferrari Challenge Deluxe" that's popping up here and there, here's what System 3 had too say to an inquiry through their website:
"Hi there. Thanks for your email.
FC Deluxe is simply a retail promotion that has been released at a lower price.
Unfortunately we have to call it a different name in order to sell it cheaper!
Please dont buy it if you already have FC. We will be releasing a brand new version of the game on Wii towards the end of this year "[END OF QUOTE]
I guess that means that there is no new content, it sounds like its the same game to me.
I think this is a very cynical viewpoint. I think Hun is probably right - there is some convoluted reason for needing to title it this way.
As far as what the game is worth: I've had more enjoyment out of FC than GT5P & about the same amount as F1CE.
The interface is a bit "primitive", there are a number of glitches, but the AI is pretty good, certainly far better than GT5P's. I would be interested to know how much time you have spent with the game so far, & how many of the different cars you have tried? You may not have had the opportunity to fully explore the online game yet - again, not without some issues, but still, overall, the best online racing sim experience on the PS3 at this point.
The thing is, I think you have to cut small game developers a bit of slack - they just don't have the big budgets that PD or EA have to spend. Eliminating them from the market will leave sim racers entirely at the mercy of one or two major players.
I don't see how that makes the AI better than GT's,
You've had more enjoyment from FC than GT5P, unfortunately I haven't.
I find the AI in GT5P very boring to race against. It is marginally better than previous GTs, but still basically sticks to the racing line. The AI in FC has a limited range of responses, but I find it is more varied & unpredictable than GT5P's. It's certainly far from perfect but much better than GT5P's.
But you admit that you've barely played it online up to now. Really the fun racing in FC, as in GT5P, is online.
As far as all the confusing/false marketing of FC is concerned: it's definitely unfortunate & disappointing, but doesn't change the enjoyment I have had from playing the game. I blame it on System 3, not on Eutechnyx.
I found it for $10 U.S. Dollars in a bin at one of the local Best Buy Stores, and after spending a few days on it earning a Platinum trophy, I felt that it was a complete waste of time and money, even at that low price.FC Deluxe is simply a retail promotion that has been released at a lower price.
Unfortunately we have to call it a different name in order to sell it cheaper!
You know what they say about 'opinions', and mine happens to be that Ferrari Challenge has the worst AI of any racing game that I've ever played.but the AI is pretty good, certainly far better than GT5P's.
I used all of the very few cars that are available in the game, as required by the game's format. I've played racing games for many years with my DFP, and unfortunately, I had to revert back to the DS in order to keep the older, classic Ferrari 'boats' on the track. I find it almost impossible to believe that Ferrari would have ever developed any car with so much lag in the steering. I'm willing to bet that you don't use a steering wheel to play FC, if you think that it's so great.I would be interested to know how much time you have spent with the game so far, & how many of the different cars you have tried?
I suppose that comes down to personal preference, I'd rather be bored than frustrated. It definitely is varied and unpredictable and GT's is definitely boring, no disagreements there, I just don't think the AI in either is actually intelligent and for that reason, to me, they're just as bad as each other. Not once have I been racing in FC and actually thought to myself 'you clever girl...' (like the hunter bloke in Jurassic Park) when the AI has totally denied a pass in such a way that would get them a penalty in any form of motorsport.
System 3 being the developer and Eutechnyx the publisher, right?
I will give it another go eventually, but the thing is, people also said the real fun of Rainbow Six Vegas 2 was online, problem is the damn thing never worked, and when it did, it was full of lag. I've heard FC's online mode isn't exactly the best ever (you said so yourself before), and while the gameplay might be good, I'm not one to battle against lag, connectivity and other issues to attempt to sample it, frankly, I could be playing a game that works instead. In other words, I don't have much patience any more, unfortunately!
I used all of the very few cars that are available in the game, as required by the game's format. I've played racing games for many years with my DFP, and unfortunately, I had to revert back to the DS in order to keep the older, classic Ferrari 'boats' on the track. I find it almost impossible to believe that Ferrari would have ever developed any car with so much lag in the steering. I'm willing to bet that you don't use a steering wheel to play FC, if you think that it's so great.
I used all of the very few cars that are available in the game, as required by the game's format. I've played racing games for many years with my DFP, and unfortunately, I had to revert back to the DS in order to keep the older, classic Ferrari 'boats' on the track. I find it almost impossible to believe that Ferrari would have ever developed any car with so much lag in the steering. I'm willing to bet that you don't use a steering wheel to play FC, if you think that it's so great.
All in all, this game gets a solid rating of 1 out of 10 from me.
IS there a console racing game with really intelligent AI? I remember FM1 as having pretty responsive (but very aggressive) AI, but many people seem to have hated that. I find the AI cars in FC are fairly fast & actively block (although I would agree that it's not particularly "intelligent"), which means you have to "out-maneuver" them (usually means moving past on the outside). IMO, it is better than having the AI just stick to the racing line regardless.
No, the opposite. Eutechnyx is the developer. Presumably, System 3 is responsible for the false advertising about DLC etc.
There is often lag, in the form of frame rate & sound "stutter" in FC. It's unfortunate, but the online racing is still very enjoyable, & very close, intense racing is possible when you have experienced racers participating. Connectivity is rarely a issue in my experience, although having more than 7 or 8 players in a race does seem to cause problems.
When I come to the conclusion that I don't like a game I don't play it.
Not sure if you were referring to me there, I suppose I have made it sound like I really hate this game but that would be unfair, it has its merits, I just don't happen to think the AI is one of them. It would be unfair for me to say the online mode is this or that since I've only played it online once, but I'm having enough fun playing the offline mode for me to want to finish it.
I wouldn't say it's a love/hate relationship, but up until the point where the AI winds me up so much that I start driving too hard and start losing, I do enjoy it.
I found it for $10 U.S. Dollars in a bin at one of the local Best Buy Stores, and after spending a few days on it earning a Platinum trophy, I felt that it was a complete waste of time and money, even at that low price.
Well that's what I mean, in my opinion I prefer to have AI that sticks to the line consistently rather than acting like idiots only when the player is around and sticking to the line otherwise. Each to their own on that point, I think.
My mistake, the way everyone talks about System 3 you'd think they're the developers. No one ever criticized Konami over the way MGS4's plot went/ MGO's online problems, that fell on Kojima Productions; the actual Dev Team. Unrelated point maybe, but hopefully you get what I mean (in other words, I don't even know how to spell Eutechnyx because I never see their name mentioned! Until just now, that is)
Therefore, I'm more likely to play GT5P where I can get in a full lobby and finish a race with maybe one or two people dropping out. Lag is lag and will always happen in online games so I can live with that, but at least you can have upwards of 8 players in GT5P and finish a race with most of that number competing.
I don't think it's reasonable to compare small players like Eutechnyx/FC to industry giants like Kojima/MGS or PD/GT.