FFB G27 vs. DFGT

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I have had the DFGT since December(5 months) and it has been a great wheel. This was my first wheel as well. At first I had the ffb at 1 because the wheel experience was new to me. I slowly worked my up to a ffb of 5 and occasionally 6.

I have been playing quite a lot of GT5 over the last several months, so I decided to upgrade my wheel. I have heard great things about the G27, so I ordered one. I just got it in today. Felt like Christmas when I was much younger. Unpacking each piece put a big smile on my face. I set up everything and got ready to run some practice laps.

The brake felt stronger and I had to adjust my "rig" to accommodate the extra pressure required. The wheel felt ultra smooth and very quiet. My wife was quite happy about the last part. As the laps progressed I noticed I was reaching for buttons that were no longer on the steering wheel. No e-brake button, no start button to restart the lap. I would have to get used to having to go to the buttons separate from the wheel.

Once I laid down a few more laps, I noticed I couldn't really feel the curbs and rear end braking loose like I could with the DFGT. The steering was smooth, but also very light. I went to the wheel settings in the GT5 menu and turned the ffb from 5 to 8. I wouldn't dare do this in my DFGT, because it would be a fight the whole lap. I loaded up the course again, and didn't notice that much of a difference in going from 5 to 8 with the G27. Thought that was weird, maybe my G27 wasn't noticing my changes.

I went back to the settings menu and put the ffb at 1 to see if that changed anything. Went to the track, and the steering was crazy light. So, back to the settings, ffb set at 10. At 10 the G27 feels like my DFGT did at maybe 2 or 3. Is this normal? I thought the G27 had two motors and would be stronger than my DFGT. They are not even close. I greatly enjoy the smoothness of the G27, but I am not happy with the "numbness" of the feel.

I am wondering if I got a bad G27. The wheel is brand new and ordered directly from Logitech. Can anyone else that has had both the DFGT and the G27 please weigh in on this. Thank you guys!

Rees
 
Hey, glad to see you've made the change to the G27, you'll never look back... I did the same change.

I can't really tell the strength over a computer but the 'force' to turn the wheel should be the equivalent of trying to lift a 2kg weight?? That's what my G27 is like on 7.

Have you got any aids turned on? I use the power assist in the settings on the home screen where the ffb settings are.

Best of luck fixing your problem as this wheel is the best you will ever use. :D
 
Thank you for your reply ilwilton.

I have all of the aids off, except for abs at 1. I had the power assist on for the DFGT. I also had ffb at 5 and simulation mode. I started with the G27 at the same settings. Then tried all different things. The current settings for the G27 are FFB 10, power assist OFF, and simulation mode.

I used a usb extension to plug into the ps3. Thought maybe some how this could be the problem. Moved everything around so I could get the USB plugged into the PS3 with no extension. Same issue, FFB "weak."

I feel the top of the G27 after an hours use, and it is quite warm. Yet, I never felt the feedback that I do with the DFGT. About the same warmness as the DFGT would reach... so I am not sure why the G27 is getting warm, but not providing much of a fight.
 
Maybe you have a faulty motor?
You can expect it to get a bit warmer than the DFGT considering it has two motors instead of one.

I tend to stay away from extensions because they can cause lack of power.
I had a problem with my G27 when I was using an older power outlet, so try using a new outlet and see if that fixes the problem.

If not, I will be trying to return/exchange it.

Best of luck, Ian.
 
I almost got all the logitech wheel since the wingman formula force GP.
As I know , the FFB performance of DFGT/GTFP are better then G25/G27 in GT5.
That's why people said GT5 not fully support G25/G27,
not just can't tune the turning angle lock,can't re-map the button,and the FFB also weaker.
But I could said that when playing with PC SIM, G25/G27 are far more better then DFGT.
this just a software issue.
I totally get used to it , and I love my G27 much to play with GT5~
 
I also recently made the switch from a DFGT to the G27. The FFB seems to be just as strong, but the wheel doesn't really react to curbs like the DFGT did. As Marc mentioned, Im sure it has something to do with the G27 not being fully supported by GT5.

I still couldn't be happier with the upgrade though.
 
I love the G27 more then the DFGT/GTFP because it have a clutch,
a better brake and gas pedal and a H-shifter, these bring a lot of fun in GT5 that's
DFGT can't provide.
Plus tons of mod option, such like perfect pedal, momo wheel adaptor,
reverse mount pedal and the extremely high price Frex H-shifter and pedals set,
(I forget the simwheel typeG....just not in my world...)
All of these make the FFB issue become very minor(for me) :)
 
Thank you guys for your responses.

I am a little disappointed that my G27 on ffb 10 does not give me as much information as my DFGT on level 5. I only did the upgrade for GT5 as that is the only racing game that I have. I currently only have a laptop so desktop pc gaming is out for me right now.

My G27 does have its positives over DFGT:
-Better pedals
-great paddle shifters
-smooth steering (no notchiness)
-much quieter steering
-the ability to use the clutch an H shifter
-Overall better build quality

So there are definite positives to the G27. I just don't know if I will be able to get past the weak ffb. I am 6'2" 200 and when I would turn the DFGT to ffb 8, I would be sore after 15 laps. A greatly fun battle with the car in the game.

Unfortunately, if this weak ffb is not an anomaly on my wheel, I think I will have to return it. It is unfortunate that PD and Logitech can't get their "stuff" together and provide proper support for such a nice wheel. If I was a pc gamer, I might be able to look past this. As my only racing game is GT5, this is probably not the best wheel for me.

Amazing that a Logitech wheel that has 2 motors on ffb 10, provides approximately the same amount of information as a 1 motor wheel from the same company on ffb 2.
 
redreevos
Thank you guys for your responses.

I am a little disappointed that my G27 on ffb 10 does not give me as much information as my DFGT on level 5. I only did the upgrade for GT5 as that is the only racing game that I have. I currently only have a laptop so desktop pc gaming is out for me right now.

My G27 does have its positives over DFGT:
-Better pedals
-great paddle shifters
-smooth steering (no notchiness)
-much quieter steering
-the ability to use the clutch an H shifter
-Overall better build quality

So there are definite positives to the G27. I just don't know if I will be able to get past the weak ffb. I am 6'2" 200 and when I would turn the DFGT to ffb 8, I would be sore after 15 laps. A greatly fun battle with the car in the game.

Unfortunately, if this weak ffb is not an anomaly on my wheel, I think I will have to return it. It is unfortunate that PD and Logitech can't get their "stuff" together and provide proper support for such a nice wheel. If I was a pc gamer, I might be able to look past this. As my only racing game is GT5, this is probably not the best wheel for me.

Amazing that a Logitech wheel that has 2 motors on ffb 10, provides approximately the same amount of information as a 1 motor wheel from the same company on ffb 2.
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Are you getting a Fanatec then? Do Fanatecs suffer from poor FFB like the G27 on GT5?
 
oohhh yeah
Are you getting a Fanatec then? Do Fanatecs suffer from poor FFB like the G27 on GT5?
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I do not have any experience with the Fanatec, so I can't comment to their ffb. As far as what I am going to end up with, I am unsure.

MARC BOLAN
You mean if this an anomaly wheel, you will keep it ?? :p
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Sorry if this came across wrong. I meant if it was an anomaly wheel, I could get a replacement from Logitech, and continue enjoying all of the other benefits of the G27.

I guess what I need to do at this point is call Logitech support. I need to ask if they think the wheel needs replacement, or if the ffb strength is what is expected for the G27 on GT5.
 
Its nothing to do with the wheel or the motors at all. The wheels just isnt supported, infact, I thought the FFB settings did nothing at all?

If you play another game, perhaps on the PC you will definitely feel the difference.
 
Legendary
Its nothing to do with the wheel or the motors at all. The wheels just isnt supported, infact, I thought the FFB settings did nothing at all?

If you play another game, perhaps on the PC you will definitely feel the difference.
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Unfortunately I have nothing else to use the G27 on but Gt5 at this point.

The ffb settings definitely made a difference. It is definitely better on 10 than it is on 1. Try it for yourself. Same track, same car. Run some laps with the setting at 10, and then change the setting to 1... It will be noticeably weaker. (When I first switched the setting from 5 to 8, I couldn't really tell... but 10 to 1 you can tell that the settings do effect the ffb.)
 
I went from a G27 to a DFGT :) Of course I switched just to see the difference, and I won the DFGT in the GTAcademy so why not, right? The main difference to me is how fast the G27 spins compared to the DFGT. It is very difficult, relatively, to save slides, or drift, with the DFGT because it is just too slow. The G27 can be harder to turn at times, but not very much. I was surprised how much FFB, strength and quality, the DFGT gives back.
 
redreevos
Sorry if this came across wrong. I meant if it was an anomaly wheel, I could get a replacement from Logitech, and continue enjoying all of the other benefits of the G27.

I guess what I need to do at this point is call Logitech support. I need to ask if they think the wheel needs replacement, or if the ffb strength is what is expected for the G27 on GT5.
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Just kidding~:P, but I recommend T500RS if the FFB is your most concern,
I try it before, the FFB very strong,
and the vibration effect when on curb /sand / grass are amazing!
Plus 2 more , the feel of wheel turning can represent realistic tire grip, and sometimes G25 G27 feel like suddenly cut off motor force when tail start sliding, but T500RS feel a little bit progressive decreasing .This a very good wheel.
 
Dapper
I went from a G27 to a DFGT :) Of course I switched just to see the difference, and I won the DFGT in the GTAcademy so why not, right? The main difference to me is how fast the G27 spins compared to the DFGT. It is very difficult, relatively, to save slides, or drift, with the DFGT because it is just too slow. The G27 can be harder to turn at times, but not very much. I was surprised how much FFB, strength and quality, the DFGT gives back.
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EERS.. do you still have both wheels? I am curious if you have both, and decide to use the DFGT instead of the G27 for GT5.

As far as saving slides... This was extremely difficult for me at first with the DFGT. But this was my first and only wheel. At this point I have no problem saving the slides by just ripping right through the force of the wheel. At first I thought you weren't able to do that, or that I would break the wheel. It makes quite a sound when I do it though. Especially at the higher ffb settings.

It does feel like it takes less force to save the slide in the G27 than the DFGT. But, I have a harder time telling when I am on the edge with the G27 with the lower powered feedback.

I wonder if I just learned to be more "brutish" with the wheel, and trying to be a little bit more subtle is not suiting my style to this point.

For reference, I was practicing for the ISC series and ran a 1'58.7 with the DFGT, and was running consistently in the 1'59.0 -1'59.2 range. With the G27 so far, I am very inconsistent and feel lucky anytime I get below 2'00 with my best being a 1'59.4. I just can't seem to find the edge with the more subtle information coming through the wheel.

MARC BOLAN
Just kidding~:P, but I recommend T500RS if the FFB is your most concern,
I try it before, the FFB very strong,
and the vibration effect when on curb /sand / grass are amazing!
Plus 2 more , the feel of wheel turning can represent realistic tire grip, and sometimes G25 G27 feel like suddenly cut off motor force when tail start sliding, but T500RS feel a little bit progressive decreasing .This a very good wheel.
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Thank you Marc for your willingness to help me with my problem. I agree the T500 rs sounds very intriguing. My problem is that I am new to sim racing and only have one game, GT5. I am finding it hard to justify a $600+ purchase for a wheel at this point. Also from what I have read, I would have to get a cockpit for the level of feedback the T500 provides.(I am currently using an old bathroom cabinet). The cockpit would set me back at least another $200. I was hoping to make small steps in case my passion for sim racing fades. I started with the DFGT, and thought it was time for a small upgrade. I thought maybe further on, if I found I was still enjoying racing, I would then step up to a more serious rig.

For reference... I already have for the ps3 - the move system, plus an extra move controller, 2 drumsets, 4 guitars, 2 microphones, a DFGT, and now a G27. To add a full sim racing rig to all the above, might be a bit much for the wife.. I tend to acquire a lot of peripherals, get bored, and move on to something else.
 
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redreevos
Thank you Marc for your willingness to help me with my problem. I agree the T500 rs sounds very intriguing. My problem is that I am new to sim racing and only have one game, GT5. I am finding it hard to justify a $600+ purchase for a wheel at this point. Also from what I have read, I would have to get a cockpit for the level of feedback the T500 provides.(I am currently using an old bathroom cabinet). The cockpit would set me back at least another $200. I was hoping to make small steps in case my passion for sim racing fades. I started with the DFGT, and thought it was time for a small upgrade. I thought maybe further on, if I found I was still enjoying racing, I would then step up to a more serious rig.
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You don´t have to spend that money on it, there are hughe disccounts in several shops. I know people who has bought it for less than 500$. Anyway the g27 is one of the best wheels.
 
redreevos
I started with the DFGT, and thought it was time for a small upgrade. I thought maybe further on, if I found I was still enjoying racing, I would then step up to a more serious rig.
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I understand, be honest, I think why G27 let you down are just because the comparison with DFGT. I start playing GT5P with GTFP, when I knew GT5p
support clutch & H shifter, I move to G25 at once.
3 years later when GT5 released, my G25 getting old, I switch to G27,
and then when I begin to take the X-1 challenge ,I switch to my old
red momo wheel for some reason ,so I found that the FFB are so strong when
compare with G27, but anyway, I told myself the FFB of G27 in GT5 are ok enough (for me),I got everything I needed form the FFB,
especially when driving nascar and F1/ X1. The force strong enough to make me get completely tire to keep the car going straight .:dopey:
So ,I think the G27 are still worth to keep it and get used to it~
otherwise , the Fanatec GT3 RS with CSP is your only good choice for upgrade replacement~ 👍
 
Sorry if I am appearing to give the G27 a "bad name." The whole package is well put together. I actually had a go at the new Seasonal French event using the clutch and H shifter. I realized quickly that my rig was holding together, but could not take the force of trying to heel-toe. So I just made sure to complete my shifts in less volatile points on the track.

This was a new aspect of the game that I wasn't able to enjoy before the G27. The clutch and H shifter seemed to work quite well.

As far as the ffb goes.. I put a few more hours in, and I think I am starting to realize what is missing. The curbs, the bumps, and just the subtle vibrations through the wheel seem to be lacking. The ffb setting for this wheel with the GT5 game seems to just be a resistance setting. The higher the ffb setting the more resistance. The lower the ffb the lower the resistance... The thing that doesn't seem to change is the actual feedback. The vibration through the wheel to tell you that you hit a curb or bump.

This can be a problem with unstable cars. When I hit a bump with an unstable car(DFGT) I can feel it immediately and understand that I need to be ready to control the car. With my new G27, I don't feel that bump, and suddenly the rear is loose. Now this could be a preference thing.. Because with the DFGT you have to be ready for a fight all the time. With higher ffb settings, you have to be able to control the wheel while all this bumping and vibrating is going on.

Maybe with time, I will feel the more subtle signals from the G27... I just wish I could amplify those signals more. Increasing resistance without the increase in feedback seems to be a losing proposition. I think I am going to bring down the resistance(ffb) setting an see if I can run a bit faster.
 
I can probably just feel it alot more because I do drifting with my wheel.

But yeah its a awesome wheel, hope you sort the problem.
 
redreevos
EERS.. do you still have both wheels? I am curious if you have both, and decide to use the DFGT instead of the G27 for GT5.
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I have both, but I couldn't just let the DFGT sit in the box:)
The G27 is a superior wheel in every aspect except a horn button. The noise of the DFGT is rather annoying, especially when things aren't going smooth. I don't think one is faster than the other, but my first wheel was a G25 so the jump to a G27 was easier than the degenerate move to the DFGT. All 3 are great, but the better wheels are more fun in my opinion. And saving slides is perfectly possible with the DFGT, it just takes more anticipatory countersteers to make up for the slower rotation.

edit- I just rove a few minutes with the G27. The DFGT is just slow! The G27 gets way lighter at times, a good analogy would be the G27 is to the DFGT as walking on land is to walking in water... if that makes sense to you... the DFGT feels heavy all the time, even when it should be light (that's why it is harder to save).
 
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Today I received my new G27, upgrading from a DFGT, and the comparable difference lead me to this thread.

I'm with the OP and really thought my awesome new wheel was defective, with some bumps not registering and the weaker ffb..but a kart race brought back more sensation and more smiles:)
 
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I just received my G27 yesterday, and found the ffb very similar to my DFGT. What I'm having difficulty adjusting to are the pedals. They have so much more tension and after using my DFGT for 6 months I got used to the spacing between the brake and gas pedal. Now it's a lot tighter between the two with the addition of a clutch pedal, but overall I'm glad I upgraded.
 
MARC BOLAN
I understand, be honest, I think why G27 let you down are just because the comparison with DFGT. I start playing GT5P with GTFP, when I knew GT5p
support clutch & H shifter, I move to G25 at once.
3 years later when GT5 released, my G25 getting old, I switch to G27,
and then when I begin to take the X-1 challenge ,I switch to my old
red momo wheel for some reason ,so I found that the FFB are so strong when
compare with G27, but anyway, I told myself the FFB of G27 in GT5 are ok enough (for me),I got everything I needed form the FFB,
especially when driving nascar and F1/ X1. The force strong enough to make me get completely tire to keep the car going straight .:dopey:
So ,I think the G27 are still worth to keep it and get used to it~
otherwise , the Fanatec GT3 RS with CSP is your only good choice for upgrade replacement~ 👍
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If he only plays GT5 and for that price the only good choise would be in fact the new thrustmaster
 

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