[FGTA][GT300][ENDURANCE]xChris is the Champion!Finished 

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I cant tell you guys what your weightrs are as i need decisions on the stewards reveiws.
Until i know if anyone gets penalt points then i dont know what weight you are.
I will be posting my verdicts later this morning, but i need Kossu, snake, Sken and Agron to post stewards results asap.
 
azidahaka
By excessive rain i mean over 80% or 90% when basically all beside 3-4 drivers hang up the keys or park in boxes.

What happens when there's too much rain on track? do they wait for track to dry 100% or sun to shine?

Obviously the restart would still be very wet (i.e. 60% water on track) but with less heavy clouding for example 40 or 50% clouds.

Also as i said below what you quoted:


I hate to bring on any kind of changes in a running serie, but i would like to hear from you guys what would you think about that. I have some ideas i would share.


On a side note what ****** driving we had this week O_o probably the worst in the serie!
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Just a quick note here Karsten.
We used to have weather changability on more than 1 in previous seasons, however we also had time progression on 6 or something if i remeber.
I am not saying i know the answers here, butr surely if we had time progression on 1 and weather changability on 2 then it would try to make the weather change through 2 cycles during the race ? dry wet dry or wet dry wet.

I remember as you had it before it was very unrealistic as it just went from dry to 100% in 5 minutes and again to dry in 5 minutes, however if time progression in on 1 it may be more realistic.

At any rate it may be worth running with changability on 2 time at the next weather race, at least it cant be worse.

Overall i agree its a shame that the weather is bugged - but if you look at it , only Pubs parked, the rest of us kept going.
 
Stephen Vann
I cant tell you guys what your weightrs are as i need decisions on the stewards reveiws.
Until i know if anyone gets penalt points then i dont know what weight you are.
I will be posting my verdicts later this morning, but i need Kossu, snake, Sken and Agron to post stewards results asap.
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Sorry, I haven't had time today to look over the incidents. I'll take a look over in a few hours when I get back home 👍
 
Guys, before we get much further into the series i am suggesting something here that would help bring everyone closer together, we must not forget that although it is impossible to handicap everyone fairly, the whole idea is to have a close championship.

As you all know we have 4 drivers who are in my opinion elite drivers and can just outdrive most of us even on the current weights they run.

I am making a proposal to change the championship weights after the Daytona Road Course race.
To do this i need everyone in the series to give the thumbs up. Its a shame we need to try to slow them down, but if we dont act now the championship may be out of reach for many before long.

I propose to adjust the weights of the top 4 in the standings and the bottom 5 in the standing in a hope to close up the series, the new weights may hopefully make it possible for the guys at the bottom to move up and may make it harder for the top 4 to win.

I would like to run this for 4 races and then review the situation, but i need everyones ok, so let me know.

This is my proposal of the new weights
1st.................................car weight 1350 kg
2nd...............................car weight 1345 kg
3rd...............................car weight 1340 kg
4th..............................car weight 1335 kg

5th.............................car weight 1260 kg
6th............................car weight 1250 kg
7th...........................car weight 1240 kg
8th..........................car weight 1230 kg known as base weight
9th.........................car weight 1220 kg
10th......................car weight 1210 kg
11th.....................car weight 1200 kg

12th....................car weight 1170 kg
13th...................car weight 1165 kg
14th..................car weight 1160 kg
15th.................car weight 1155 kg
16th...............car weight 1150 kg

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Pedro - agrees if others do
Agro
Sken
xChris
Karl
Pubes
Fili
Snake
Logic - agrees if others do
Vic
Karsten - agrees if others do
Kossu
TnT
Seven
Cedbel
AB
 
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I actually don't mind if everyone agrees on this but I have been racing with 1300kg since race 1 which makes a lot harder for me to be able to fight for wins. I understand what you guys are trying to do but you also have to consider where we stand, sometimes it's very difficult to overtake low-mid positioned guys and with this increase will make it even harder.

As I said I don't mind and I'm all about making everyone compete on the same level but maybe we should consider give some sort of bonus if the heaviest guy on track actually wins the race.
 
Pedroeol
I actually don't mind if everyone agrees on this but I have been racing with 1300kg since race 1 which makes a lot harder for me to be able to fight for wins. I understand what you guys are trying to do but you also have to consider where we stand, sometimes it's very difficult to overtake low-mid positioned guys and with this increase will make it even harder.

As I said I don't mind and I'm all about making everyone compete on the same level but maybe we should consider give some sort of bonus if the heaviest guy on track actually wins the race.
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Yes agreed, but in theory if you dont win and drop down the standings, you will then have a lower weight.
Lets see what everyone thinks.
 
Stephen Vann
Yes agreed, just a shame we are not all as good as you top 4 guys, but in theory if you dont win and drop down the standings, you will then have a lower weight.
Lets see what everyone thinks.
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Pedroeol
we should consider give some sort of bonus if the heaviest guy on track actually wins the race.
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We already have it, it's called "rain" :D jokes aside all would have worked wonderfully and there would be no need to touch anything if it wasn't for the "it'll always rain" issue.

So i'm positive it won't make much of a difference and would probably leave as it is; it's boring and frustrating but we started like this. In any case i'll hear what all drivers will say.

Rain is the issue, not weight (i think).
 
azidahaka
We already have it, it's called "rain" :D jokes aside all would have worked wonderfully and there would be no need to touch anything if it wasn't for the "it'll always rain" issue.

So i'm positive it won't make much of a difference and would probably leave as it is; it's boring and frustrating but we started like this. In any case i'll hear what all drivers will say.

Rain is the issue, not weight (i think).
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I remember Agro did some tests with 1350 kg at Apricot and it did slow him down to the midfield runners times.
 
I'm sure there is a way out there to prevent the weather go as it has been going so far, I participated in Daytona 24h for GTP Endurance Series and there were times that the weather started then stopped then it came again. If I remember right it was set to 4.
 
STEWARDS REVIEWED RESULTS

Incident report 1 ABSOLUTE BEAST GETS A -1 PT PENALTY

Incident report 2 FILI GETS A -1 PT SUSPENDED PENALTY FOR 1 RACE

Incident report 3 NO ACTION

Incident report 4 NO ACTION

Incident report 5 VIC AND PUBS -1 POINT PENALTY

Incident report 6 NO ACTION

Incident report 7 VIC AND PUBS A FURTHER -1 POINT PENALTY

Incident report 8 KARL GETS A -1 PT


Overall i have to say that the battle between Vic and Pubs was poor show.
Of course it takes 2 to tango but i am dissapointed that your battle ended up as almost a banger race.
 
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I've found that the increased weight has severely increased my times with a standard setup. I remember testing zero ballast a Silverstone and going like 2-2.5s quicker compared to 1290kg at the time. Wear becomes a big issue as the weight goes up, so what I'm worried about is that the race just becomes unenjoyable to drive and potentially dangerous with the severe difference in car performance if weight was increased further; nursing tyres is one of the worst/most frustrating parts of racing imo. Acceleration is also greatly affected with ballast so if a car much lighter behind a heavier one, they might find a massive closing speed on exit which could result in accidental contact. Agro may have been midfield pace for a few laps on fresh tyres but I worry that pace would drop even further with severe wear; which could drop us right to the back for dry races in particular.

Another thing is that with setups it is possible to improve performance with ballast as eol showed at Red Bull Ring, he was untouchable there in the dry with maximum ballast at 1300kg. I honestly feel that if tuning was prohibited from the series it would provide a level playing field for everyone in a fun car, and ballast would also have a much greater effect as the cg position/suspension couldn't be changed. I enjoy being a part of this series though and I would accept any proposals that are made in the best interest of encouraging closer racing.

I've said it lots of times before, I enjoy the best races when I'm fighting closely with other cars rather than powering away out in front. It would also focus much more on individual driver skill if tuning was prohibited, with only ballast amount and power changed. Just tricky to implement these changes midway during a championship though, needs a lot of testing I reckon to validate it; but I think zero tuning with current ballast system could offer the best chance to level the field.
 
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Okay few things to catch up on lol.

Weather -
As much as I struggle over 60% no matter what track so far, I still enjoy the variance of conditions, although would suggest to try and find a way so the changeability is not so much just 50/50 dry/100% wet. It would be a lot more fun if it were to dry up again at a point and get that nice dry line while the rest of the track is wet and no longer raining. A red flag wouldn't be a good option imo, surely we can sus out the weather settings to change more than just once to monsoonal weather till the end lol.

Success ballasts -
I'm not an expert on tuning, nor how much weight can be a positive or a negative in certain circumstances.
I would also like a closer championship though, and I like @xChris93_ 's idea maybe of introducing prohibited tuning to the table, that would create a great battle between everyone.
Although from memory the standard settings for these cars weren't so much fun, and would make it very interesting no longer having "wet" setups.

It does seem to work currently, although as it's been said, in same cases more weight can be used as an advantage, RBR definitely showed this.
I'm not really sure on all that stuff though, i feel I'm not experienced enough to make comments on this side of things, because I'm still only learning how things affect the car myself.

So I'm pretty easy what way it goes, just don't want the top guys getting too hindered that's all.
 
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It's the first time I see people saying that more ballast is better lol, even with less balast you can still adjust your car properly, lighter car always have advantage from my experience.

Also in regards to what Chris said, if we prohibit tuning we won't be able to adjust ballast to the cars, the only thing adjustable with the tuning not allowed is the brake bias and the power limiter.
 
Pedroeol
It's the first time I see people saying that more ballast is better lol, even with less balast you can still adjust your car properly, lighter car always have advantage from my experience.

Also in regards to what Chris said, if we prohibit tuning we won't be able to adjust ballast to the cars, the only thing adjustable with the tuning not allowed is the brake bias and the power limiter.
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Dont worry, we wont be going the default settings route. Whatever we do it will be as fair as we can make it to even up the drivers levels, and we can still change it again if it is too much.
 
Was just saying from past experiences. Actually it wouldn't be right to change things during a championship, but stock cars and hp penalty should be a idea to be considered for future events.
 
In planning phase that was the plan for quite a long time and i spoke my mind about what to do to keep field close;

  1. No tuning for allowing tuning gives an ENORMOUS advantage to the best tuners (that usually are great drivers too) widening to extreme gaps. A good setup vs a stock one can mean over 2 seconds up to 4 per lap.
  2. No weather. It gives an BIG advantage to a selected few that either are already the fastest, best tuner, or have a better racing gear that allows to feel more easily the grip loss.
  3. Power based penalties; basically the only way to hinder the fastest guys effectively. We had them too high last season, but the issue was again weather that allowed drivers on low power to keep on dominating and winning.
We had a lot of work on this serie, sadly it doesn't show it :/
 
Introducing some new tire rules is the only way we can stop the faster guys from running away with the races .

We can bring in some tire rules next season .

Everything else we have more or less tried already.
 
That's actually a pretty good idea, having limited RS, RM and free RH is a good way to go, not just for certain track but for the whole championship. More strategy will be involved for sure.
 
Pedroeol
That's actually a pretty good idea, having limited RS, RM and free RH is a good way to go, not just for certain track but for the whole championship. More strategy will be involved for sure.
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Yeah it would be. But could be difficult to steward because of the replay glitch which doesn't always show the actual tyre the driver is using. Only way to do it would be as a starting tyre which logic/karsten could check, which would be pointless because the best thing would be to pit straight away for a softer compound.
 
Stint photos could be a solution but that would demand work from drivers as well as stewards to check it.

And maybe PD will solve that glitch anytime soon lol.
 
I am just going to have a quick say here guys.
Keeping it simple, of course when we set out on this series, the idea was to make it possible for all drivers to be able to compete on an even playing field, and of course that is an impossible task to get right, as some drivers are just great, some like certain tracks, and some are just not so fast.

In previous series we have had default settings with hp penalties, but often that meant the top drivers had no chance in hell of winning a race, all in all there is no method that would work and be fair to everyone.

So in general the system we have at present actually works quite well i think, some slower drivers are fighting for places they would not without light cars and i do think its a good system. I would just like to tweak it, without it meaning more work for stewards and drivers.

By making the guys lower in the standings have lighter cars and those at the top have heavier cars would be easy, and i think would work. Dont forget that if you finished a race midfield because of the heavier weight penalty, then you may fall a bit in the standings and the next race you would have a lighter car, so all in all its an easy option to both bring into the series and for stewards to admin.

I would like to try it for 4 races and then again review it.

If anyone is on tonight, particularly you top guys we could give it a test race if you are about ?
 
I do not think this round is the best track for evaluating the matter..

What are the target times?

Oh and video should be up later on today.
 
azidahaka
I do not think this round is the best track for evaluating the matter..

What are the target times?

Oh and video should be up later on today.
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Good Man karsten, we are looking around 1.44 for a fast time here for narmal people.
 
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