FIA Freezes Engine Development for 10 years.

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Blake
And yet it will have no impact on costs anyway. :rolleyes: Teams will spend every cent they have, and it just so happens that F1 is a very lucrative business at the moment and it is worth spending half a billion dollars to be competitive.

As soon as the big manufacturers decide F1 is no longer worth it they will pull out, sell their teams for what little they can get for them, and budgets will plummet.

This rule change just makes it harder for manufacturers to show off their technical prowess in a competitive environment. Thus making F1 less appealing from a manufacturer’s standpoint. Not to mention for the fans – and you know what happens without them…
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You know i was thinking the same thing. They will use the money on other parts like new bolts, lighter wheels. Maybe even new lighter overall to reduce weight?

Didn't he even mentioned one time that some of the teams use the rimbolts like once a race? If he could focus on that and reduce the cost there instead of the engines:(
 
appie17
You know i was thinking the same thing. They will use the money on other parts like new bolts, lighter wheels. Maybe even new lighter overall to reduce weight?
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thats not possible since there is a weight limit on the f1 cars and they cant go any lighter.
this is the same exact thing that they did to lmp1 cars.
Jesus when will the FIA learn to shut there mouths and stop putting stupid rules that everyone hates.
we said goodbye to lmp1
we might as well say goodbye to Formula 1
(i still watch both btw)
 
SauberBMW
thats not possible since there is a weight limit on the f1 cars and they cant go any lighter.
this is the same exact thing that they did to lmp1 cars.
Jesus when will the FIA learn to shut there mouths and stop putting stupid rules that everyone hates.
we said goodbye to lmp1
we might as well say goodbye to Formula 1
(i still watch both btw)
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Would you pls get under that rock. Today F1 cars have a weight of 400kg. Everything else is ballast and they play with it untill they find a a good setup for it:)
 
Anyone who believes that lack of engine development made this season more interesting would do well to look at how close most of the races actually were - either McLaren aero dominated or Ferrari did, with either team regularly 20-50 seconds clear (30 in France, Turkey, Italy, 70 at Monaco) of the other. Mistakes and electronics failures made it close.

Meanwhile, the 2006 season which was also a nailbiter, was only so because Ferrari produced a miraculous leap forward at San Marino which most people attributed primarily to a giant step in engine development. Otherwise we'd just have had a Renault roadtrain.
 
You got to be kidding me....this is like the greatest idea since sliced bread!!!! [/SARCASM]
Well well well, Bernie is gone awall with this. Boycott this or just stay and see how this would turn out to be. Well i guess this is one of those "brilliant" idea that somehow would stop working after a few years. Just like the qualifying format. First they had that "one shot" qualifying thing, then there was that "elimination" qualifying with a fuel burn at Q3, not they said it was a stupid idea....and that Ferrari sign a deal with A1GP to provide an engine for 5 years, this could be just another conspiracy theory....

Man, i hate all of there rumors. When will the shut up!!!!!? :grumpy:
 
Eagle
Anyone who believes that lack of engine development made this season more interesting would do well to look at how close most of the races actually were - either McLaren aero dominated or Ferrari did, with either team regularly 20-50 seconds clear (30 in France, Turkey, Italy, 70 at Monaco) of the other. Mistakes and electronics failures made it close.
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Everyone who keeps saying that the races in the Prost/Senna era were all down to the wire with wheelbanging in every corner should look at the results of those races.

In most of the races the frontrunners (1st and 2nd, sometimes 3rd) lapped the entire field.

So in comparison, this season (and the last couple since the Ferrari/Schumacher era) have been very tight.

Engines play a very small role in the F1 cars nowadays. The reason why teams can't make big performance leaps during the year is not because they can't throw 100 million in to engine development, but because of the Testing limitations.

When testing was unregulated (2000-2004) Ferrari could test pretty much 24/7 at their own private track Mugello. If we went back to those days then Ferrari would probably just trounce the entire field while McLaren were trying to rent a parking lot for every thursday.

So if a car is a dog like the Honda 2007, it isn't going to get any better if you put in an engine that has 10 extra horsepower.

Anyway, I'd much rather see cars following each other closely in the corners (hopefully in 2009 or 2010) than have a car zoom past another on the straight because it has 100 extra horsepower.
 
Bernie has nothing to do with the rules - he is not the FIA.

Bernie is the ringmaster, he runs the show. He is the guy who attracts the big money to F1 - lambast him for turning the sport into the commercial industry it has become, but not for making up stupid regulations.

Did anyone who watches the ITV F1 coverage notice that when Martin Brundle interviewed Bernie on the grid he said he wanted Alonso to win - after saying in the British press the week before that he wanted Hamilton to win? Do you think it might have been because he was stood next to the Spanish boss of Mclaren sponsor Santander at the time?
 
TheCracker
Did anyone who watches the ITV F1 coverage notice that when Martin Brundle interviewed Bernie on the grid he said he wanted Alonso to win - after saying in the British press the week before that he wanted Hamilton to win? Do you think it might have been because he was stood next to the Spanish boss of Mclaren sponsor Santander at the time?
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I heard he wanted Raikkonen to win...
 
Well, at least the engines will be more reliable...

wait, they probably can't even change THAT.

I think we'll see something like the Cosworth era, where 80% of the field runs the same engine, while the holdouts (More than likely Ferrari and Renault) run something else. Only, the cars stil won't be able to pass because of the aero.

more of the same, less of the different.
 
On the positive. At least we won't be running 300hp corn fueled engines anytime soon.
 
Casio
On the positive. At least we won't be running 300hp corn fueled engines anytime soon.
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:lol:

Winner!!

That's for sure. If we can't develop engines, let's just give everyone a Cosworth and four tires and let them have at it. I'll wait to see what Gordon Murray would come up with.
 
Best point in the thread:

Casio
On the positive. At least we won't be running 300hp corn fueled engines anytime soon.
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On the subject, though: Engines are already very close this season. Rumor has it that when Newey designed the RBR03 and STR02, he had the choice of which-engine-goes-where: And he chose Renault for the RBR and Ferrari for the STR simply because of a sliiiightly wider powerband at the Renault, but he stated that it made absolutely no difference.

So yes, you can see Toyota's V8 is slightly less powerful and Honda's is slightly more - but it's not the hundred-HP differences of the '80s... But I don't agree with the rule, nevertheless.

Even though progress is now already pretty limited, I believe teams should be allowed to develop engines.

My version of the engine-freeze rules would allow an engine-upgrade every season, with free choice on timing, as well as a new engine every new season. So, say, Honda, would develop and RA08E, and, after 7 races, decide they found enough new upgrades to warrant using it, and debut an RA08E-B. Then, Melbourne next season, use the RA09E. How's that for clever? You have choice between having a lightly-upgraded engine for a longer period, or a far better engine near the end of the season...
 
Just Imagine this. Say Honda F1 are having realibilty troubles, which to be honest would'nt be a suprise, and they were not allowed to develop the engine. Their engines would be blowing up constantly for the next 10 years!
 
Stevisiov90
The buggers in charge of F1 these days, really test my patience. I like to think as F1 as the, pinnicle of enginerring, now it seems that in 9 years time we will be saying, F1 used to be the pinnicle of enginering. Its hard to convey with words how dissapointed I am. Myabe I should send a few e-mails.

Anybody else up for some e-mails?
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Sounds great! Where do I sign? Or, more importantly, what's the address?
 
FatAssBR
Not the greatest news but I won't stop following F1 because of it.
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No one will. I don't think anybody is sitting by the TV watching the race, randomly shouting out 'Wow, that car has a really newly developed engine! This rules and I will watch this forever' to all his mates sitting around him.

:lol:
 
zoxxy
No one will. I don't think anybody is sitting by the TV watching the race, randomly shouting out 'Wow, that car has a really newly developed engine! This rules and I will watch this forever' to all his mates sitting around him.

:lol:
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True, but wouldn't it suck if somebody is sitting by the TV watching the race, randomly shouting out "Wow, Honda did another lap, I bet the engine will blow on the next one" to all his mates sitting around him. Especially if the engine does blow on the next one.
 
zoxxy
No one will. I don't think anybody is sitting by the TV watching the race, randomly shouting out 'Wow, that car has a really newly developed engine! This rules and I will watch this forever' to all his mates sitting around him.

:lol:
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Already done. I'm not watching as long as this rule is in place. I won't watch a single race. I don't watch formula 1 for the drivers or to see no passing. I watch it for the engineering.

No engineering = No viewership on my part
 
Although I don't agree with this rule I don't think it will have as big an impact as we think. It's not the whole engine that's frozen is it? only certain parts?
 
I think a better idea would have been to instead introduce a new rule that prohibits any further changes to the rules for the next ten years.

Oh, and before they implement that, they could introduce a new rule which bans all lawyers from any involvement in F1 whatsoever. Including Mosley.
 
Alfaholic
I think a better idea would have been to instead introduce a new rule that prohibits any further changes to the rules for the next ten years.
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I would really like this. Really, really like this. Only exception would be to improve driver safety.
 
Wasn't there talk a while back about introducing technology for energy recovery. Perhaps this development freeze is just a step in that direction. The energy loses from one of the engines is probably quite large, so even say a 10% recovery could translate to quite a large amount of power.

Furthermore, if it is the case, then in a way it gives the manufacturers a chance to create solutions at the pinnacle of motorsport that can be applied to their everyday road cars.

Pyrelli
 
I would rather have them develop new engines that would last at least 4 races, then like every 2-3 years increase the number until the engines can survive a whole season, now thats what I would call cost cutting (as they would save money in the future for not having to make alot of engines) plus it will applied in road cars , as it will teach them how to make engines with more power/same power but lasts longer
 
There's a very, very fat flaw here.

You see, current engines are replaced if a driver doesn't finish race-distance because of accidents or mechanical failures. As a result, Alonso, for example, raced at Interlagos with a used engine, while Hamilton and the Ferraris races a brand-spanking new machine.

Now, assume I crash sometime mid-season, in a way that damages my engine, or risks a potential damage. I get a new engine, right? So, I get an engine with approx. 40HP more than the others (assuming this: Alonso's engine was said to have 10HP less than the new one on Hamilton's, so assuming this is after 5-6 races). What would you do then? A crash somewhere in the middle of the season may very well be the best thing to happen to a driver in that season, since he'll drive a more powerful machine from that point onwards, and one with less risks of a breakdown.
 
Metar
There's a very, very fat flaw here.

You see, current engines are replaced if a driver doesn't finish race-distance because of accidents or mechanical failures. As a result, Alonso, for example, raced at Interlagos with a used engine, while Hamilton and the Ferraris races a brand-spanking new machine.

Now, assume I crash sometime mid-season, in a way that damages my engine, or risks a potential damage. I get a new engine, right? So, I get an engine with approx. 40HP more than the others (assuming this: Alonso's engine was said to have 10HP less than the new one on Hamilton's, so assuming this is after 5-6 races). What would you do then? A crash somewhere in the middle of the season may very well be the best thing to happen to a driver in that season, since he'll drive a more powerful machine from that point onwards, and one with less risks of a breakdown.
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Wow. I never knew that.

But, crashing a Formula One car has consequences all of its own, such as the time spent obtaining a new car when one could be out testing, and T-cars tend to be less well-prepared for racing (they WERE called 'practice hacks') to fill in for the meantime.

Also: is DEVELOPING a Formula One car engine the only item being delayed, or is it replacing engines too?
 

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