FIA opens F1 2011 new team selection

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Who should be let in for 2011?

  • Prodrive/Aston Martin

    Votes: 54 52.9%

  • Lola

    Votes: 13 12.7%

  • Epsilon Euskadi

    Votes: 7 6.9%

  • RML (Ray Mallock Limited)

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • N Technology

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • USF1

    Votes: 14 13.7%

  • StefanGP

    Votes: 12 11.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Total voters
    102
It does show how much of a good job the new teams have done though... with the exception of HRT - who I think had they done preseason testing would be fine - they're all in there below the 107%.

C.
 
SaberFire
Stefan GP. There is simply not enough cloak and dagger in F1 these days :p
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I like the way you think!

yeti
On a more serious note - I'd be all for having whoever turns up able to Qualify - and the top 26 race...

That way *new* teams could prepare their cars for the following year by getting proper practice and track time in on the actual tracks etc...

C.
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It'd be far too much a financial outlay for any team that might not even get to race.
 
Ardius
But I still think the 107% rule should be re-instated, although only applying to each session (so the "pole" time set in Q1, etc) so that teams aren't disadvantaged by changing track conditions moving the pole time forward.
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I believe this should only happen if teams have time to test when they like. You can't expect a team to be on or near pace in 2/3 test sessions. If you're going to introduce new teams at least give them time to test the bloody cars.
 
Ardius
Ok, I have no idea how to work out 107% haha. Maths fail.
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LOL, just convert P1 time to seconds and multply that number by 1,07.

example:

1'54,612 = 114,612 seconds

114,612 * 1,07 = 122,635 = 2'02,635
 
I'd like to see Nissan. Honda and Toyota tried, so why not Nissan?
 
driftking18594
I'd like to see Nissan. Honda and Toyota tried, so why not Nissan?
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Honda and Toyota tried....and failed. I think before a Japanese manufacturer or even team comes in and tries to take on the world, they should try and be a bit more flexible with their work ethics. Because it sounded like Toyota were really anal about making every change go through the board in Japan and they didn't like their employees speaking up about anything. (like a certain Gascoyne among others).
Honda at least realised they should listen to the team on what to do...though they hired a motorbike designer to design their cars :dunce:. Then they fixed the problem too late and didn't get any glory from it.

If Nissan were to come in, they should just buy into an existing team and not meddle with things too much. If they badly want to have Japanese staff, train them up slowly rather than replacing good designers and engineers with complete novices. They should also realise and accept that they won't be able to operate out of Japan very well.
The other key thing is to not sack staff after a bad year, consistencey is key in F1 and its been the downfall of many a team before. They should be realistic and understanding about results. Avoiding nationalism would help too unless they know they had a super-talent in their hands.

daan
You won't see Nissan as Renault are there. There's no point in competing against yourself.
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Although its not really Renault anymore, its only part-Renault. Can always re-name Renault though if Nissan really wanted in.
 
I would love if they opened up the engine regulations and allowed Mazda to come in with a rotary. But its never going to happen. It would be nice to see Japanese engine manufacturers return - that was something they were very good at.
 
Ardius
I would love if they opened up the engine regulations and allowed Mazda to come in with a rotary. But its never going to happen. It would be nice to see Japanese engine manufacturers return - that was something they were very good at.
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OOooooh - that would be cool!!

Even with a Cossie engine though - I can't see Mazda coming anywhere close to F1 at the moment - with their heavy ties to Ford - who are still trying to recover from the last few years of decline.

C.
 
yeti
OOooooh - that would be cool!!

Even with a Cossie engine though - I can't see Mazda coming anywhere close to F1 at the moment - with their heavy ties to Ford - who are still trying to recover from the last few years of decline.

C.
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At least Ford didn't file for bankruptcy like GM and Chrysler.
 
For the record, I voted RML. They've had some pretty good runs in other series - BTCC, WTCC and Le Mans. Prodrive might be better-known as having success in multiple series, but they had their chance and they blew it.
 
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For the record, I voted RML. They've had some pretty good runs in other series - BTCC, WTCC and Le Mans. Prodrive might be better-known as having success in multiple series, but they had their chance and they blew it.
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I would have voted RML if Prodrive wasn't there, it seems to me that teams that are simply evolutions of existing race teams are the best kind for "from scratch" operations. They tend to be more likely to stick around a few seasons and know how to manage themselves and their budgets than a manufacturer putting together a team or a USF1-style rookie team.
The best kind of new team is obviously one that employs a lot of experienced employees from other teams, but this isn't common and usually existing teams just hire the missing personnel they need.

In fact the current 3 new teams are largely evolutions of existing operations from other series, Virgin has their Manor personnel, HRT have what appears to be Kolles personnel and Lotus may have a few people from Litespeed and definitely have large numbers of people from Toyota and Renault.
USF1 appeared to have no one apart from Windsor and Anderson themselves, both with fairly anonymous career records.

I think Lola would be better off entering a chassis-supply deal with an existing race team like Dallara has done, the obvious choice being Prodrive after their recent dealings with Le Mans. I don't doubt Lola could field a decent team, likely hiring from their various customers at Le Mans and elsewhere, but I think it just makes sense to take the strenghts of Lola and Prodrive (or RML or any other proper race team) and combine them. Lola having the chassis expertise and facilities, Prodrive/RML having the team management expertise.
 
Ardius
I would have voted RML if Prodrive wasn't there, it seems to me that teams that are simply evolutions of existing race teams are the best kind for "from scratch" operations. They tend to be more likely to stick around a few seasons and know how to manage themselves and their budgets than a manufacturer putting together a team or a USF1-style rookie team.
The best kind of new team is obviously one that employs a lot of experienced employees from other teams, but this isn't common and usually existing teams just hire the missing personnel they need.

In fact the current 3 new teams are largely evolutions of existing operations from other series, Virgin has their Manor personnel, HRT have what appears to be Kolles personnel and Lotus may have a few people from Litespeed and definitely have large numbers of people from Toyota and Renault.
USF1 appeared to have no one apart from Windsor and Anderson themselves, both with fairly anonymous career records.
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That was my logic of it: bona fide racing teams are better than start-up outfits. Besides Prodrive and RML, the only other choices that realy fit that description are N.Technology and Epsilon Euskadi. I can't see either being a viable choice: I'm told Epsilon are a bunch of slackers who abandon a project when it goes bad instead of developing it further; case in point being the Epsilon Euskadi ee1, which they abandoned in favour of concentrating on Formula 1. As for N.Technology, the FIA's opinion of them would be low. Even if Jean Todt is as far away from Max Mosley as you can get, N.Technology tried to force their way onto the 2010 grid at the expense of one of the other new teams by suing the FIA. And given that they withdrew their application for the 2010 grid after FOTA broke away at the British Grand Prix but before the situation was resolved, it seems like a case of putting the cart in front of he horse: N.Technology burned their bridges too soon and then tried to sue the FIA as a way of getting back to the point where they wanted to be.
 
Peterram430
It should clearly be mygpdream.com
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Seriously, I'd be surprised if the FIA kept reading after the first line of the proposal when it became apparent that the team was to be funded by donations. And who could argue with them for discarding it?
 
Prodrive definitely. More teams should be allow in F1, it will make it more exciting to see more teams on the track. But this could bring more problems, starting by the grid.
 
personally I would like to see 15-20 teams in F1. The number to cars that start the race would be determined by the room available (Monaco vs. Abu Dhabi). The top x number of qualifiers would get to race. Of course this wouldn't work these days because no new team is going to be able to get sponsorship if they might not even get to race... So I guess we can hope for 13 teams in 2011.
 
I'm not sure Mallock's boys are cut out for F1. Their prototype is a Lola anyway....I'm going for Prodrive and Lola, both can make cars and are very succesful. With wider ranges operations than the others.
 
yeti
I vote Prodrive... mainly cos David Richards has 2 first names.

C.
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I voted Prodrive because I'd heard of them. I know they compete in Le Mans etc. So I went with them.

Besides, David Richards shares his name with my Dad (And my Dad looks remarkably like him too, minus the hair :p) Long lost relative right there :lol:
 
Alex.
I'm not sure Mallock's boys are cut out for F1. Their prototype is a Lola anyway....I'm going for Prodrive and Lola, both can make cars and are very succesful. With wider ranges operations than the others.
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So what's stopping them sub-contracting the chassis out to someone like Lola? We've already seen that Lola can build a chassis, since they did it this year in the hopes of selling it to a team.
 
Alex.
I'm not sure Mallock's boys are cut out for F1. Their prototype is a Lola anyway....I'm going for Prodrive and Lola, both can make cars and are very succesful. With wider ranges operations than the others.
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Maybe not in chassis development (though they have developed a lot of cars themselves), but they have a professional and successful race team with a good amount of experience in various categories, admittedly its all tin-tops though. They are at least on a par with Prodrive, minus the rallying and the whole owning Aston Martin thing.
 
Seems the FIA was on to something with their budget capping, as now everyones been scared away seeing what happened to Virgin, HRT and Lotus.
 
I am American and since having a US team would mean that we could possibly have an F1 race in the future, that is who I want, although Prodrive and Penske sound good too.
 

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