First Look at HD-DVD Drive

[JNasty4G63]

If you see what I am saying, then why ask the question with three question marks?

OK, let me just see if I can get this straight, and see what you ARE getting at.....

Excellent points, and I’m sure there will be other 360 owners that feel the same way.

Ok, so its good, and people will buy it.

However, the problem for MS is that it is very unlikely that the majority of XB360 owners are even interested in paying a premium for HD no matter how good a deal it is.

Oh, no, its not good. People won't buy that.

Add to that, the limited support HD DVD has throughout the industry and studios, which will likely cause many consumers to stay away from investing any money into a format that may die out in the near future.

Ok, so now people shouldn't buy HD-DVD at ALL?

Those that are willing to pay a premium, and accept the risk that the format may not last, there are understandable reasons why they may want to pay an extra $200 for a standalone HD DVD player.

Or should they?

Now for those not worried about HD DVD losing the format war and/or looking for the absolute cheapest way to get HD DVD, and already own an XB360, then this is indeed a great deal, especially when you get a ~$25 HD DVD thrown into the deal!

Wait, so the Xbox drive IS a good deal?

I will still be very surprised if more than 20% of XB360 owners buy this player, but I can also understand why some might decide to buy it.

But, hardly anyone will buy it, but its understandable they do. How someone might be confused with what you are saying, I can't hardly guess.

That is my confusion with your post. You say it IS a good deal, and that people will buy it. But, then in the same post, you say it really has no value, and people should just spend more money on another player. Yet, you then talk about people not wanting to spend money on a format that has yet solidify itself in the market. But, shortly after suggest some people will gladly spend close to $1000 for a player.

My point in all of this, is that its VERY EARLY for us to be sitting here saying that one format is clearly better, or more comfortable in the market. And, without any of us having actually tried this drive out in person, its VERY EARLY for any of us to be making predictions on how well it will or will not sell or perform. But, I guess you covered all the bases with your last couple posts, so its all clear as mud now.

Some people, like myself, will see this drive as a nice, relatively cheap add-on to a system we already own. For $200, with a $30 movie and $30 remote included, I consider that a decent deal, and will try it. But others, like yourself, don't see it that way. Both are understandable. To talk about the value of the drive in our own opinions is great. But, for either of us to boldly say that it will or will not sell, is just silly.

I mean, what if I were to say that Sony won't sell all of its first shipment of PS3, and some will sit on shelves, what would you say??? You'd probably think I was crazy. And yet, as outlandish as that statement is, it could very well come true. Might the price drive people away? We don't know. Just like we don't know how well this drive will do. And, to make sweeping statements like...

...it is very unlikely that the majority of XB360 owners are even interested in paying a premium for HD no matter how good a deal it is.

...is just a bit speculative and premature. Talk about the features, the cost, the value all you want. But, lets just stop with the sales speculations. None of us know for sure.

Hilg

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

OK, let me just see if I can get this straight, and see what you ARE getting at.....

Ok, so its good, and people will buy it.

Some people.

Oh, no, its not good. People won't buy that.

Some people.

Ok, so now people shouldn't buy HD-DVD at ALL?

I never said that, only suggested that some will likely come to that conclusion based on factors that are important to them, but perhaps not others, who will will purchase it.

Wait, so the Xbox drive IS a good deal?

Yes, for those who are not concerned about the conditions and factors I mentioned.

But, hardly anyone will buy it, but its understandable they do. How someone might be confused with what you are saying, I can't hardly guess.

I can... probably someone like you who fails to grasp the idea that not all consumers are alike and that they have different requirments that effect their purchaseing decision.. thus why some wont buy it and some will. I specualted on why they will or wont, and how that might impact sales. If you are unable to understand this, there really isn't anything more to say to make it any more clear.

That is my confusion with your post. You say it IS a good deal, and that people will buy it. But, then in the same post, you say it really has no value, and people should just spend more money on another player. Yet, you then talk about people not wanting to spend money on a format that has yet solidify itself in the market. But, shortly after suggest some people will gladly spend close to $1000 for a player.

Same answer as above... these are all differet types of cconsumers with differnt positions and requirements that effect their purchaseing decision. Not everyone is like you or I when it comes to making a purchaseing decision, and just because they may make a different one them you or I, it doesn't make it wrong.

Talk about the features, the cost, the value all you want. But, lets just stop with the sales speculations. None of us know for sure.

That's why it's called "speculation"... and I fail to understand why you have come to the conclusion it is wrong to speculate... especially as you have done that on countless occasions.

If you have a problem with anyone posting personal speculation, feel free to report them to the mods and see how far that gets you. Most importantly, if you have anything more to say to me on this subject please send it to me via PM instead of chocking this thread like last time with needless argumentative responses that add nothing to the value of this thread.

 

[MustangSVT]

My problem with Toshiba is the following:

Toshiba HD-A1
- too big in size
- would be a hassle to buy analog audio cables and hook them (I'd need 3 adapters too) and I don't have HDMI receiver either
- don't have a spare HDMI to use
- don't have where to put it
- takes a bit to boot
- doesn't have proper 720p output (would have to output 1080i to my TV)
- doesn't have 1080p output (though this doesn't matter)
- most important, $700 canadian dollars in Canada

Toshiba HD-A2
- good size
- doesn't have analog audio connections, so no chance of Dolby TrueHD or Dolby Plus without HDMI receiver
- all other points from A1 (dont have where to put it, dont have spare HDMI)
- qucik to boot
- not sure about 720p output
- doesn't have 1080i output, doesn't have HDMI 1.3
- will prolly be $700 in Canada once again

Toshiba HD-XA2
- has everything I would want
- will most likely be $1200 or $1300 in Canada

360 HD-DVD
- quick to boot
- doesn't need any additional connections
- have the space for it
- output should be fine at 720p via component (even if I have to do 1080i instead, at this price you can't complain!)
- comes with King Kong (hey for its price, its a nice bonus, the Toshiba players dont come with anything)
- will only be ~$250cad, maybe even just $200cad in Canada, that means $450+ more to spend on HD-DVD movies
- for the price, i can't complain of lack of HDMI (or HDMI 1.3 for future proof) or lack of analog connections for DD+/Dolby TruHD output, and the 2nd gen Toshiba player doesn't have this anyway

 

[JNasty4G63]

[FINAL RANT ON SUBJECT]

We'll get this one out of the way first...

Most importantly, if you have anything more to say to me on this subject please send it to me via PM instead of chocking this thread like last time with needless argumentative responses that add nothing to the value of this thread.

OH, ok. So, you are the only one with relevant things to say?? Got it. But, more on this later.

Now, to your attitude here. Lets substiute "PS3" in one of your statements, and see how they sound, shall we?

However, the problem for Sony is that it is very unlikely that the majority of PS2 owners are even interested in paying a premium for HD no matter how good a deal it is.

When looked at like that, it sounds like you're doing nothing more than trying to convince people NOT to buy a PS3. Understandably then, it comes across very similar when you speak of this drive. We all know that there are differing opinions on this drive, as there should be. We all have a viewpoint. But, the constant stream of negativity from your side just comes across as anti-MS bashing.

Its no secret, looking at your prior posts in this thread, and your post history (as you so like to do), that you are very pro-Sony. Which again, is fine. We all have things we like. But really, if all you want to do is come in this thread and bag on the Xbox and its accessories, I know I would prefer you wouldn't.

I'm not going to be buying a PS3 for some time, nor are any of my friends. I will at some point, because there are certainly games I want coming down the road. But, you don't see me popping into the PS3 threads bagging on it, and telling people they would be better served just sticking with their PS2s for a while. In your own words, maybe you should just stick to PMs if you have something to tell someone here, instead of "chocking this thread with useless responses" as you say.

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Back on topic, Mustang, I couldn't agree with you more. The way I see it, I'm basically paying $140 for this drive. I love the new King Kong, and was specifically WAITING to buy it until it came out in HD to get it. So, thats a nice $30 bonus. And, I don't have a remote for my Xbox, which is obviously VERY nice for watching movies. So, thats another nice $30 bonus. If the drive itself, nothing included, was $200, I'd take it. But, with $60 of extra stuff included at that price, and stuff I want, its too good to be true.

And, I'm much like you. This is going to be plug and go. My Xbox is already setup for 720p, and I have plenty of space for this drive right next to the console. Just power and USB, and I'm done. It would be great if they release an adaptor for HDMI out. That would add a decent ammount of future-proofing to it. But, I have nothing to gain from HDMI, so for me right now, it would just be unused. Though, for $200, I'm not sweating it.

Hilg

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

OH, ok. So, you are the only one with relevant things to say??.

Again you put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I simply said that if you had anything more to say to me on this subject, send it via PM, but seeing as you refuse, clearly you have an alternative agenda.

Now, to your attitude here. Lets substiute "PS3" in one of your statements, and see how they sound, shall we?.

What attitude? I simply was posting my own personal thoughts on how I think the XB360 HD DVD drive will sell, and the reasons behind it. By all means, that will apply to the PS3 as well.. but last I checked not only is this thread on the XB360 HD DVD, but the PS3 isn't packaged with an optional BD drive. Apples and Oranges... or in your case.. red herrings.

When looked at like that, it sounds like you're doing nothing more than trying to convince people NOT to buy a PS3. Understandably then, it comes across very similar when you speak of this drive.

???? I even went out of my way to suggest that the drive does have a market, and that for those consumers it is a great deal. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!

We all know that there are differing opinions on this drive, as there should be. We all have a viewpoint. But, the constant stream of negativity from your side just comes across as anti-MS bashing.

More absurdity. Not only was I only offering my opinion and speculation on how this drive will sell, which by your never ending assault on me suggest that you can&#8217;t accept a differing opinion of your own. But I never bashed this drive, and even said that for some it is a great deal. I simply pointed out some of its shortcomings that will likely keep other consumers away. I guess once they start selling we will find out if this is true or not.

Its no secret, looking at your prior posts in this thread, and your post history (as you so like to do), that you are very pro-Sony. Which again, is fine. We all have things we like. But really, if all you want to do is come in this thread and bag on the Xbox and its accessories, I know I would prefer you wouldn't.

More nonsense. Where have I ever posted Sony fanboyism or anti-Microsoft comments? Or maybe your definition of anti-MS is anyone who expresses any shortcomings regardless of their truth.

In fact, I am quite critical of several of Sony's blunders in the AV industry, including their pathetic management of Columbia Tristar. They also completely dropped the ball with their initial BD releases, especially with the poor quality of the HD master for Fifth Element.

BTW: Other than a PS2, I don't own a single Sony product. For the most part, I find that their displays are over priced for their performance, although I must admit, I am very impressed with what they have done with SXRD (LCoS) technology, and they lately seem like they are offering displays at more competitive price levels than in previous years.

BOTTOM LINE: I posted my opinion on how well I think these drives will sell and even went on to explain why... and even pointed out that for some it is a great deal... however, from that point all you have done is to take it as an attack on XB360, MS, etc. If you have a differing opinion on the sales predictions for the XB360, instead of needlessly attaching my opinion with conjecture and red herrings, why not post your own specific opinion on how well this drive will sell with an explanation on why you feel that way.

[FINAL RANT ON SUBJECT]

Glad to hear it, and hope you were telling the truth.

 

[Pebb]

It will still be interesting to see if the HD-DVD add on drive, can perform against the other good priced HD-DVD drives coming out, because a lot of the, add on DVD drives have been bad at times.

 

[Duke]

Hilg, I'm not sure why you're still being so contentious here, execept that you seemed to take it incredibly personally before, and you still bear a grudge.

You're taking huge exception to a number of things that were not actually said, and you're ignoring how closely you two seem to agree on other items.

You blame us for not understanding your words originally... yet you blame us again when you don't understand ours.

I respectfully suggest that it is time for you to get over this issue already. Either learn to live with disagreement without getting all offended, or put the user in question on your Ignore list and move on.

But this continued urination contest needs to end NOW, and frankly I see most of the pissing coming from your direction.

PM me directly if you have any questions, or take it up with Jordan himself. But further posts of this nature will be deleted. Understood?

 

[JNasty4G63]

...why not post your own specific opinion on how well this drive will sell with an explanation on why you feel that way.

I'd rather not, because my opinion, means very little with regards to sales. I'll talk quite a lot about why I want the drive, and why others might not. Thats discussion. But, talking "possible sales" does nothing more than "chock a thread full of useless posts" as you put it.

It will still be interesting to see if the HD-DVD add on drive, can perform against the other good priced HD-DVD drives coming out, because a lot of the, add on DVD drives have been bad at times.

I hope it does, but past console history is not on its side. The PS2 was marginal, at best, when playing DVDs. The original Xbox was much the same. And the 360, well, its the worst of the lot so far, IN MY OPINION. The dashboard update we got a while back helped clear things up a bit, and DVD viewing over the VGA was greatly improved. I'm hoping this coming dashboard update fine-tunes things even more.

Its always a bit of a toss up. These boxes are intended for game playing first and foremost. So, the added benefit of playing movies, to me, is just kind of a nice add on. So, the question then becomes, do you fault it if its bad, or just be happy with the fact that it CAN at least do it. I'm hoping both the PS3 and 360 end up as great high-def movie players. But, it would be a first, IN MY OPINION, because no console before has been very good at anything BUT games.

Hilg

 

[JNasty4G63]

Hilg, I'm not sure why you're still being so contentious here, execept that you seemed to take it incredibly personally before, and you still bear a grudge.

You're taking huge exception to a number of things that were not actually said, and you're ignoring how closely you two seem to agree on other items.

You blame us for not understanding your words originally... yet you blame us again when you don't understand ours.

I respectfully suggest that it is time for you to get over this issue already. Either learn to live with disagreement without getting all offended, or put the user in question on your Ignore list and move on.

But this continued urination contest needs to end NOW, and frankly I see most of the pissing coming from your direction.

PM me directly if you have any questions, or take it up with Jordan himself. But further posts of this nature will be deleted. Understood?

Wow, that couldn't have just been PM'd to me?

Hilg

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

On the topic of 7.1 audio, you have to look at it objectively.

DVD didn't have 5.1 right off the bat, but eventually it gained momentum. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will eventually give support for 7.1, well...HD-DVD probably won't since it doesn't have the space needed to hold Stereo, 5.1, and 7.1 but who knows.

I'm pretty sure though, that within 3-4 years, 7.1 will be fairly common among PS3 games and Blu-Ray films. I mean, theaters use 7.1, so it would be a farily easy assumption to thik that they'd want to spend *less* time converting their films to 5.1 over their standard format.

 

[JNasty4G63]

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will eventually give support for 7.1, well...HD-DVD probably won't since it doesn't have the space needed to hold Stereo, 5.1, and 7.1 but who knows.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they need to have all 3 of those formats on the disc. I can see the option for HD-7.1 and stereo. If the sound is going to your tv, and no surround setup, the stereo will be fine. But, if you are sending the signal to a surround receiver, it can do the conversion from 7.1 down to 5.1 on its own, without the need for a separate 5.1 track. So, you would only need those two tracks, and the receiver can do the rest.

I'm pretty sure though, that within 3-4 years, 7.1 will be fairly common among PS3 games and Blu-Ray films.

I think they are only going to be doing up to 5.1 with games, but up to 7.1 for movies. At least, thats what Dolby is saying. Not sure about DTS, but I would figure more of the same. Games in DTS 5.1, and up to 7.1 with DTS-Master HD. Here's Dolby's take...

PLAYSTATION 3 will feature interactive Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound for games, Dolby Digital, and Dolby TrueHD for decoding up to 7.1 channels for Blu-ray movie playback.

http://investor.dolby.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=211947

Hilg

 

[Duke]

Wow, that couldn't have just been PM'd to me?

Hilg

If you insist on behaving as you have publicly, I will react to it publicly. Since you've now chosen to contact me privately, you'll note that other than this very post, I've responded privately.

 

[JNasty4G63]

If you insist on behaving as you have publicly, I will react to it publicly. Since you've now chosen to contact me privately, you'll note that other than this very post, I've responded privately.

As I said, my discussions here, as 2-way as they were at times, were related to this thread, and open to anyone. But, my personal matters with any individuals will be handled in private. I wish you would extend the same courtesy.

Now, can we just get back to the discussion?

Hilg

 

[harrytuttle]

DVD didn't have 5.1 right off the bat, but eventually it gained momentum. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will eventually give support for 7.1, well...HD-DVD probably won't since it doesn't have the space needed to hold Stereo, 5.1, and 7.1 but who knows.

DVD absolutely did have 5.1 from the beginning, as part of the original specification. Very few early discs were mixed for 5.1 surround, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an option, and there were a few first-relase discs that experimented with the new standard. That track can be anything from Dolby Digital Mono, up to Dolby EX 6.1. Many early discs had "Dolby Digital" on the front, which, while true, did not reveal that it was really just digital stereo. DTS has also always been an optional track, as it was popular from the laserdisc days.

 

[DuckRacer]

In-depth look and interview at the HD-DVD drive from X06.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

DVD absolutely did have 5.1 from the beginning, as part of the original specification. Very few early discs were mixed for 5.1 surround, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an option, and there were a few first-relase discs that experimented with the new standard. That track can be anything from Dolby Digital Mono, up to Dolby EX 6.1. Many early discs had "Dolby Digital" on the front, which, while true, did not reveal that it was really just digital stereo. DTS has also always been an optional track, as it was popular from the laserdisc days.

That's not what I ment. What I intended to get across in my post was that 5.1 was not widely supported by movie studios, and it took about 1 year before all discs were mixed with 5.1 audio.

 

[JNasty4G63]

In-depth look and interview at the HD-DVD drive from X06.

That right there is a prime example of why you never listen to ANYTHING a PR rep says. He mentions how HDMI/DVI isn't needed. Yet, then right after that he talks about how movies are basically all already in 1080p native, but movies are not going to be able to be viewed at 1080p. Hmmm??

Then he talks about how Blu-Ray is old tech, and how its MP2 and all that. Um, no. Sure, some of the early BR movies did come in MP2, and didn't look that good because of that. But the BR format supports every codec that HD-DVD does (VC1, MP4, H.264).

He basically just made stuff up to knock the PS3, or didn't answer any questions to cover. The drive looks great, and I think I might get one. But, listening to that guy is the last thing I would do to help me make a decision.

Hilg

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

That right there is a prime example of why you never listen to ANYTHING a PR rep says. He mentions how HDMI/DVI isn't needed. Yet, then right after that he talks about how movies are basically all already in 1080p native, but movies are not going to be able to be viewed at 1080p. Hmmm??

Then he talks about how Blu-Ray is old tech, and how its MP2 and all that. Um, no. Sure, some of the early BR movies did come in MP2, and didn't look that good because of that. But the BR format supports every codec that HD-DVD does (VC1, MP4, H.264).

He basically just made stuff up to knock the PS3, or didn't answer any questions to cover. The drive looks great, and I think I might get one. But, listening to that guy is the last thing I would do to help me make a decision.

Hilg

Agreed.

 

[harrytuttle]

That's not what I ment. What I intended to get across in my post was that 5.1 was not widely supported by movie studios, and it took about 1 year before all discs were mixed with 5.1 audio.

Okay, but you're still sort of wrong. There's tons of DVDs released that don't have 5.1, and they're not just old TV shows.

 

[Mr Deap]

VC-1 & H.264 is superior to mpeg 2 no matter what you think. The compression ratio is more than twice Mpeg 2 offer(quality vs compression).

HD-DVD players are half the price of a BluRay player(Shop online & see yourself). So far, all the BluRay movie use Mpeg2 at the moment. The quality even encoded in a very high bitrate it's not superb from my experience. a 10Mbps Mpeg 2 look same or worst than a VC-1 encoded at 4mbps.

Though BluRay can have different data. As long as it use Mpeg2, BluRay will go into a slump until they make a burner for house computer.

High Definition video require a high performance CPU to decode the audio & video data. Due that console gaming are widely sold, it's normal they are less expensive than the player. Computer already have hardware acceleration support for VC-1 & H.264(My gpu ). Unlike the PS3, the XBOX 360 have hardware acceleration for VC-1 & H.264 codec. THe PS3 will obviously use the power of the Cell to do the work. Though I wonder if it will decode that well.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

VC-1 & H.264 is superior to mpeg 2 no matter what you think. The compression ratio is more than twice Mpeg 2 offer(quality vs compression).

HD-DVD players are half the price of a BluRay player(Shop online & see yourself). So far, all the BluRay movie use Mpeg2 at the moment. The quality even encoded in a very high bitrate it's not superb from my experience. a 10Mbps Mpeg 2 look same or worst than a VC-1 encoded at 4mbps.

Though BluRay can have different data. As long as it use Mpeg2, BluRay will go into a slump until they make a burner for house computer.

High Definition video require a high performance CPU to decode the audio & video data. Due that console gaming are widely sold, it's normal they are less expensive than the player. Computer already have hardware acceleration support for VC-1 & H.264(My gpu ). Unlike the PS3, the XBOX 360 have hardware acceleration for VC-1 & H.264 codec. THe PS3 will obviously use the power of the Cell to do the work. Though I wonder if it will decode that well.

The Cell far outshines the 360 GPU in terms of decoding.

And Blu-Ray supports ALL codecs that HD-DVD does, while offering more space.

 

[Mr Deap]

The Cell far outshines the 360 GPU in terms of decoding.

And Blu-Ray supports ALL codecs that HD-DVD does, while offering more space.

From what you heard about, it was decoding mpeg2. The Cell have hardware acceleration for this codec & not for the other ones(VC-1, H.264). As for the RSX, it doesn't have hardware acceleration for those codec too.

The XBOX 360 use the help of the hardware acceleration of the Xenos to decode VC-1 & H.264 because it is based on the X1K ATI series.

Though, I couldn't find any reference that show the Cell being able to do incredible performance on those 2 codec's, they eat a lot of performance.

 

[Diab]

From what you heard about, it was decoding mpeg2. The Cell have hardware acceleration for this codec & not for the other ones(VC-1, H.264). As for the RSX, it doesn't have hardware acceleration for those codec too.

The XBOX 360 use the help of the hardware acceleration of the Xenos to decode VC-1 & H.264 because it is based on the X1K ATI series.

Though, I couldn't find any reference that show the Cell being able to do incredible performance on those 2 codec's, they eat a lot of performance.

All bow down to Mr Deap's vast knowledge of technology, what he says must be true even if he is a total bs'er. I mean come on, we all know about the PS3's capabilities already, those videos and closeup's of the PS3 tell you all you need to know about it and truth be known it's utter garbage compared to the ultimate Xbox 360 which has 3 cores at 3.2Ghz meaning a massive 9.6Ghz which means computational power better than NASA, IBM + All PC's in the world all synchronised and working together.

In fact did you hear CERN scraped their new particle accelerator in favour of just 2 Xbox 360's, also NASA has solved the Space Shuttle's problems by installing an Xbox 360 rather than the advanced computing solutions they had previously, and a recent document has been leaked out that the UFO that crashed in Roswell New Mexico actually had an Xbox 360 as it's brain (hehe this may be why it crashed).

And get this, there are blueprints on the internet that tell you how to make a Nuclear Powerstation, from just an Xbox 360 and 2 Wireless joypads, demand in Korea has jumped considerably as well as in Iran and other Middle Eastern countries !!

Thank you Mr Deap you have opened our eyes to the real winner in this battle, it's mankind, and al because of the power of Xbox 360 !!

Buhh buyyye.

 

[Mr Deap]

Amen.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Mr Deap - Most current GeForce 7 series cards have Nvidia PureVideo HD, which essentially is Nvidia's method of Decoding H.264 and VC-1 in hardware using the 7000 series GeForce cards, which is what the RSX is based off of.

Again, nothing you have ever said has been entirely accurate.

 

[Mr Deap]

Mr Deap - Most current GeForce 7 series cards have Nvidia PureVideo HD, which essentially is Nvidia's method of Decoding H.264 and VC-1 in hardware using the 7000 series GeForce cards, which is what the RSX is based off of.

Again, nothing you have ever said has been entirely accurate.

How about that?
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1916968,00.asp


You can call that Hardware acceleration... >_>

 

[JNasty4G63]

So far, all the BluRay movie use Mpeg2 at the moment.

Wrong. Swordfish, Firewall, Blazing Saddles, The Fugitive, Lake House, Syriana....those all use VC1, just to name a few. The first batch of movies were in MP2, that is correct. But, for the last month or so, most Blu-Ray movies have been in VC-1.

Hilg

 

[Mr Deap]

Wrong. Swordfish, Firewall, Blazing Saddles, The Fugitive, Lake House, Syriana....those all use VC1, just to name a few. The first batch of movies were in MP2, that is correct. But, for the last month or so, most Blu-Ray movies have been in VC-1.

Hilg

>_>
<_<

I didn't really check about HD-DVD & BluRay. I don't have an HDTV at the moment.

 

[JNasty4G63]

I didn't really check about HD-DVD & BluRay.

Then, what are we talking about here?

Hilg

 

[Mr Deap]

Then, what are we talking about here?

Hilg

HD-DVD & BluRay.

Yeah The BluRay will have all the VC-1, H.264 & everything. The PS3 & XBOX 360 play all of them fine.

BluRay as a huge advantage for space.