First Video from 725, What do you think?

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OK, 725's been making some pretty intelligent posts and I got a hold of his first vid.

Here it is

I think he's off to a good start.
Let him know what you think. :)
 
Yes here it is just a quick lap around Midfield I'd appreciate any comments good or bad and more importantly hints and tips on any improvements I can make all comments are appreciated.

The car is a 356 hp (a little too much)
with sims all round

any other questions I'll be happy to answer.

As I did not have any editing software, I couldn't thank Swift in the Vid. Swift has been really helpful and I appreciate the effort he has made in helping me host the vid.

Thanks swift :D

I realise that some of drifts need work :lol:
 
nice..... way 2 much power though.... 217hp is plenty for long drifts....

i just took a lap around apitcot hill or something like that and i need someone to edit and do **** to it for me... I'll X-Port you the vid.... anyone who can do this it would be greatly apprieciated(sp.) .... Silviadrifter... i know you can do this for me....

- Sal
 
exhaust_note
nice..... way 2 much power though.... 217hp is plenty for long drifts....

i just took a lap around apitcot hill or something like that and i need someone to edit and do **** to it for me... I'll X-Port you the vid.... anyone who can do this it would be greatly apprieciated(sp.) .... Silviadrifter... i know you can do this for me....

- Sal

Thanks exhaust_note

I did realise it is waaayyy to much power I've reduced it now and it feels much better I also changed the suspension settings as swift had suggested to me and the car feels alot better now
 
pretty good for a first clip?
i think what you need to work on is taking the right line and applying a fixed counter-steer. It maybe hard witha dual shock but give it more practice and you'll get it

-F.I.
 
Lookin' good, 725.... I think you are off to a good start indeed....

There are a few areas in which I think you can improve (with a little help)...

1. You seem to be bouncing off the redline quite frequently. This cuts off power in an eradic, and somewhat unpredictable way (hence the rev bouncing). Either lengthen your gear ratios (try a wider "auto setting"), and/or shift gears more frequently. You want to keep the revs in the powerband without bouncing off the rev limiter, so you will have complete control over the engine response, and thus, the car....

2. Watch some GT3 drift vids (as well as some real life footage), and pay close attention to the line taken into and out of the drift.... You're on the right track but you can still work on the line a bit....

3. Work on smoothing out your countersteer. I suggest using both analog sticks:

Left stick: Steering
Right stick: Up - Throttle
Down - Brakes

This is the best way to have full, precise control over the countersteer and throttle.... Instead of slamming the stick left and right, try and make smaller, more dellicate adjustments (i.e. holding your countersteer where it is needed)... This is called tracing the turn. This just means you are literally tracing the turn (in the direction you want the car to travel) with the front wheels. This is necessary for drifting all RWD vehicles (FR,MR,RR)....


I hope that helps....


;)
 
nice job on the vid. need to work on ur entry. you slipped off the road on the last big turn. good drifts just work on ur entry. drift on...
 
Thanks Guys for the comments I really want to improve my technique

Just a few questions

ForcedInduction
i think what you need to work on is taking the right line

silviadrifter
Watch some GT3 drift vids (as well as some real life footage), and pay close attention to the line taken into and out of the drift.... You're on the right track but you can still work on the line a bit....

vtec513
nice job on the vid. need to work on ur entry

What kind of line should I be taking? Could you please give me more detail

silviadrifter
You seem to be bouncing off the redline quite frequently. This cuts off power in an eradic, and somewhat unpredictable way (hence the rev bouncing). Either lengthen your gear ratios (try a wider "auto setting"), and/or shift gears more frequently. You want to keep the revs in the powerband without bouncing off the rev limiter, so you will have complete control over the engine response, and thus, the car....

I did notice that the car doesn't respond the way I want, and sometimes surprises me I'll try a wider auto setting. Could this also be happening because I'm using AT if you think that I should change to MT I'm willing to put the work in and change

silviadrifter
Work on smoothing out your countersteer. I suggest using both analog sticks:

Left stick: Steering
Right stick: Up - Throttle
Down - Brakes

This is the best way to have full, precise control over the countersteer and throttle.... Instead of slamming the stick left and right, try and make smaller, more dellicate adjustments (i.e. holding your countersteer where it is needed)... This is called tracing the turn. This just means you are literally tracing the turn (in the direction you want the car to travel) with the front wheels. This is necessary for drifting all RWD vehicles (FR,MR,RR)....

I'll definately start working on my countersteer I noticed that I was slamming the analogue stick from side to side. After watching your IDM drift vid and seeing how smooth you guys can countersteer there is no reason why I can't put the work in and achieve similar results. At the moment I'm using the left analogue stick to steer but using the X button for throttle I can see how using the right stick for throttle can be much more accurate (especially since my X button cuts out sometimes) do you think I should use both sticks?

bamboo_R34
Nice drift with the 86!

Thanks man still a lot of work to do though :lol:

vtec513
you slipped off the road on the last big turn

I knew I guess there was no hiding it :lol: I think this was due to what SD said the car just lost some power and broke the drift into two seperate ones :crazy:

Was the line into the first corner good? was the first corner drifted ok?

Thanks for your help ;)
 
Speak of the devil...not bad with that SS Trueno 725, espcially on midfield, you obviousy still have some things to learn (who dosen''t? myself included) but you're doing good I suppose. I say speak of the devil becuase yesterday I was doing some drift pratices with my Corvette Z06 on that said course. Mainly just to pratice and since Mid-field has been my benchmark test track since when I started GT3 (before that, Clubman and Speical Stage Route 5 were my test tracks for cars ^^...including Laguna Seca and Grudenward...and God knows I miss high speed ring...), I woun't say how I did on that, from waht I can tell...you just need to learn how to be a little smoother with your drifts.

From what I can tell...yes, 300+ is a LOT for that car, I guess lowering the power would not hurt much, least till you get to maybe 200 or 240... although I have yet to really sample the SS, I would suggest pratcing with feinting a bit...try and learn weight control a little more so than usuall and try to get the car sliding a bit more so before the start of a turn, not so much but just maybe over 50 or 100 meters before a turn if possible, it's not always so, and with some of my cars (Grand Sport and Z28 to name 2) it seams easier to start drifting earlier...(my only expericne I recall with a Trueno besides the 245bhp Turbo (in red and only so to not be confused with the white Trueno my bro has and also the SS version...) I use is a bit with the SS...just haven't had a lot of time to pratice with it...) so you can decrease that angle on the exit...

My style with the bigger American cars is to feint to the outside before the inside, with ligher cars like the Trueno or S13 (2000k, 280bhp, no real suspesnion mods, just changes to engine and LSD, can drift that thing okay but I'll get to suspension soon enough...) I do something similar but not as drastic due to how I want to keep that speed and I can't regain as easily with more powerfull and heavier cars, just pratice and hell, try to experiment with other cars, we all start somewhere in some form.

For me, I started with the Z28 with 320bhp, with nearly everyting else modifed (but noting permenant) on Special Stage Route 5 WET to get used to the lack of traction (and I started on sims since it occured to me those would work best besides how they are supposedly simulating how a car behaves in RL, they aren't called sims for noting and plus they are closer to reality than one would think, the Z06 does oversteer like they talk about in Road and Track...trust me...heh...) before I got on dry, it was only when I got to get some solid WEEKS of pratice (solid because I had to study and crap, can't always be focued on games...school work counts too you know...)...okay a few days at the least before I started to drift well.

The only other suggestions I ask is to try and get as much angle as you can at the start and/or before the middle or apex of a turn and decrease thatn angle on the exit. I'm not sure how others would define a drift but that's how me and my bro look at it and also how some people at Initial D see it (I've noticed I repeated myself a bit...)

I noticed that Silva Drifter suggested to use both Analog sticks, I woun't argue, but for me, even though I use one stick for steering, I still use the buttons for acceleration and brake.

Now you may wonder just why but well... knowing that the PS2 buttons are pressure sensitive...I did my best to take advantage of that feature to try and learn critical and sensitive control, I think partial help came from using a steering wheel a few times, not just on GT3 but GT2 and Live For Speed, also, it was far from easy but for now, it's second nature to me and I've been drifting well, I still haven't elimated completely that slight 'jolt' when recovering from a drift, some of my drifts still show it but a lot of the time, I've learned how to smoothly recover from drifts, but this is just my case, I don't know about other people so I really can't say, I guess for now just to go with Silvia drifter's suggestions (he did give some good ones, since some of them I do use...although the gear ratios for some of my cars...Trueno included are short...I try not to bounce off the redline...) and other's whom I'm sure have been helpfull...

Well that's what I've got to say, sorry for not sounding more organized (or intelligent for the matter...) but...oh well... till later...
 
725
I did notice that the car doesn't respond the way I want, and sometimes surprises me I'll try a wider auto setting. Could this also be happening because I'm using AT if you think that I should change to MT I'm willing to put the work in and change

You're using auto? :eek: Go to manual now!!! I'm really serious bud. I should've figured that out from the vid. But start using a manual right now and you'll gain back that lost control. :cool:
 
725
Thanks Guys for the comments I really want to improve my technique

That's a good attitude... You should go far with that reasoning....

What kind of line should I be taking? Could you please give me more detail

Watch some vids... That is the best way to learn the correct line to take... As a general rule you want to use the out-in-out line, which refers to the line taken in and out of the drift (start outside, move towards the apex, continue on towards the outside).....

I did notice that the car doesn't respond the way I want, and sometimes surprises me I'll try a wider auto setting. Could this also be happening because I'm using AT if you think that I should change to MT I'm willing to put the work in and change
You don't necessarily have to widen your gear ratios, in fact a lot of people use short gear ratios... You just have to remember to shift when you get close to the redline or you will start bouncing off the rev limiter....

I'll definately start working on my countersteer I noticed that I was slamming the analogue stick from side to side. After watching your IDM drift vid and seeing how smooth you guys can countersteer there is no reason why I can't put the work in and achieve similar results. At the moment I'm using the left analogue stick to steer but using the X button for throttle I can see how using the right stick for throttle can be much more accurate (especially since my X button cuts out sometimes) do you think I should use both sticks?

While the buttons are pressure sensitive (all the buttons on the Dual Shock 2 are analog), they still do not allow the amount of control possible with the analog sticks... There are a few people who have mastered using the d-pad and buttons (Sheron) however, even he is considering making the switch to the analog sticks..... I suggest you do the same....


;)
 
I use the buttons to drift and the analog stick to drift... It's not that hard once you learn to sensitize your thumb to minute movements... It's a lot of hard work but IMo...
 
R_Riders
not bad with that SS Trueno 725, espcially on midfield, you obviousy still have some things to learn (who dosen''t? myself included) but you're doing good I suppose.
Thanks 👍

R_Riders
I would suggest pratcing with feinting a bit...try and learn weight control a little more so than usuall and try to get the car sliding a bit more so before the start of a turn
I think that because of the extra power I got into a habit of just pressing the accelerator and with the extra power the car just broke traction easily I guess its a hinderance and my other techniques just fell by the wayside I've lowered the power now to about 240hp 👍

silviadrifter
That's a good attitude... You should go far with that reasoning....
Thanks after watching the drifting in the IDM vid I think that I want to be just as good as you guys and I'll work towards that

silviadrifter
Watch some vids... That is the best way to learn the correct line to take... As a general rule you want to use the out-in-out line, which refers to the line taken in and out of the drift (start outside, move towards the apex, continue on towards the outside).....
I'll start paying attention to others techniques I guess I can watch the lines you took in you black SZ on midfield ;) I'll start working on improving my lines (I guess the line aren't too dissimilar to grip racing lines)

R_Riders
Now you may wonder just why but well... knowing that the PS2 buttons are pressure sensitive...I did my best to take advantage of that feature to try and learn critical and sensitive control, I think partial help came from using a steering wheel a few times, not just on GT3 but GT2 and Live For Speed, also, it was far from easy but for now, it's second nature to me and I've been drifting well, I still haven't elimated completely that slight 'jolt' when recovering from a drift, some of my drifts still show it but a lot of the time, I've learned how to smoothly recover from drifts, but this is just my case, I don't know about other people so I really can't say, I guess for now just to go with Silvia drifter's suggestions (he did give some good ones, since some of them I do use...although the gear ratios for some of my cars...Trueno included are short...I try not to bounce off the redline...) and other's whom I'm sure have been helpfull...
silviadrifter
While the buttons are pressure sensitive (all the buttons on the Dual Shock 2 are analog), they still do not allow the amount of control possible with the analog sticks... There are a few people who have mastered using the d-pad and buttons (Sheron) however, even he is considering making the switch to the analog sticks..... I suggest you do the same....
MdnIte
I use the buttons to drift and the analog stick to drift... It's not that hard once you learn to sensitize your thumb to minute movements... It's a lot of hard work but IMo...
I guess if I can gain more control I'll change

Swift
You're using auto? Go to manual now!!! I'm really serious bud. I should've figured that out from the vid. But start using a manual right now and you'll gain back that lost control.
:lol: I'll start changing that now looks like I'm going to have to take a few steps back in order to move forward

LanceGSR
Very nice vid! Just curious how long have you been drifting 725?

ahem for about three months ish a longer process than I thought :lol:

For all the new drifters I hope this helps you guys too 👍
 
I now have changed to MT and am using the analogue sticks.

Just a few questions

I think that for each gear the power band is slightly different for lower gears its slightly lower does this sound right or am I making a mistake?

I'm having trouble exiting my drifts smoothly at the moment I back of the accelerator until I regain grip and then carry on is there a better way?

Thanks
 
725
I now have changed to MT and am using the analogue sticks.

Just a few questions

I think that for each gear the power band is slightly different for lower gears its slightly lower does this sound right or am I making a mistake?

I'm having trouble exiting my drifts smoothly at the moment I back of the accelerator until I regain grip and then carry on is there a better way?

Thanks

The power band is slightly different in each gear, depending on the gearing....

Backing off the accelerator on exit, while backing off your countersteer, is a good way to exit the drift smoothly.... It just takes some time to get used to the different control.... It took me about a month to get really comfortable with it, but that was for grip racing (about 3 years ago)....

One thing to remember...

You can still blip the throttle, like you could with the buttons, but you can also hold the throttle (and revs) right where you need them, if it is optimal to do so.... A mix of both is the best way to tackle any course IMO...

Stick with it, it's worth it...


;)
 
i trying drifting with the analog sticks for throttle and steering and i couldnt do it i just use one stick for steering
 
silviadrifter
The power band is slightly different in each gear, depending on the gearing....

Backing off the accelerator on exit, while backing off your countersteer, is a good way to exit the drift smoothly.... It just takes some time to get used to the different control.... It took me about a month to get really comfortable with it, but that was for grip racing (about 3 years ago)....

One thing to remember...

You can still blip the throttle, like you could with the buttons, but you can also hold the throttle (and revs) right where you need them, if it is optimal to do so.... A mix of both is the best way to tackle any course IMO...

Stick with it, it's worth it...

I'll practice backing off the accelerator, I find now that I can be in the gear I want I can hold the revs in the power band adjusting them according to the drift which helps so much.

I can't believe how much my drifts have improved (when I can do full laps with out spinning out, I'll try to capture a replay). MT has given me much more control and the analogue sticks have helped a ridiculous amount. I'd suggest anyone trying to smooth out their counter-steer change to the analogue sticks you only realise this when you change
 
he's obviously not from the US... ;)

not the best vid ever, but not bad for a beginner. no advice here, pretty much everything has been said... countersteering, line, gearing.
 
vtec513
i trying drifting with the analog sticks for throttle and steering and i couldnt do it i just use one stick for steering

In the long run I think its better to use both analogue sticks as you have more control I find that I can keep the revs in the powerband which means alot smoother drifts it is difficult at first but you get uset to it just stick with it vtec513 👍

drifting 180sx
Hey, how did you get yours in Km/h? I've been wanting Km/h forever...
dori-san
he's obviously not from the US... ;)

not the best vid ever, but not bad for a beginner. no advice here, pretty much everything has been said... countersteering, line, gearing.
Nope I'm not from the US, I didn't realise you could get the speed in mph all the problems that have been mentioned I am working on ;)
 

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