For GT5 new dfp

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While it would be nice, I don't think there's much of a market for it... people won't be so quick to simply replace their $150 DFP.. I sure as hell won't.
 
Both are good ideas. I don't have any type of wheel but I would gladly purchase one if a clutch was involve. I don't know how the shifter is on the DFP but maybe it should have a real car setup. I think the current DFP has it up and down shifts. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Jedi2016
While it would be nice, I don't think there's much of a market for it... people won't be so quick to simply replace their $150 DFP.. I sure as hell won't.
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There is a GT3 DFP and a GT4 DFP. Its gonna be a few years before GT5 comes out so i dont think it would be a problem, id expect there to be a GT5 DFP. I dont have a wheel, i would buy one if there was a clutch and a H pattern shift.
 
I really do not see the "CLUTCH" point.

All modern race cars worldwide are using sequential gearbox. More and more street cars has it too. 95% american cars are made automatic.

And it would be expensive to manufacture wheel like that.

All that is needed in series is reprogramming the game in this term: if the street-car is made automatic, then manual shifting is not possible until the manual gearbox is bought and fitted.

I'd prefer metal-made pedals in front of every (useless) clutch pedal.
 
amar212
I really do not see the "CLUTCH" point.

All modern race cars worldwide are using sequential gearbox. More and more street cars has it too. 95% american cars are made automatic.

And it would be expensive to manufacture wheel like that.

All that is needed in series is reprogramming the game in this term: if the street-car is made automatic, then manual shifting is not possible until the manual gearbox is bought and fitted.

I'd prefer metal-made pedals in front of every (useless) clutch pedal.
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idem dito.
In Gran Turismo you choose between auto or manual gears, I think that is not correct, it should be: automatic or sequential gearbox. And while they're at it, they better make the automatic act like a real one, like in enthusia.
 
A new steering wheel with clutch on the pedals would make the game a lot more realistic for all those manual transmisson freaks out there and myself. And also must keep the 900 degree function for the steering wheel. 👍 💡
 
STiGoFLyBy
Both are good ideas. I don't have any type of wheel but I would gladly purchase one if a clutch was involve. I don't know how the shifter is on the DFP but maybe it should have a real car setup. I think the current DFP has it up and down shifts. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Too right it has up and down shifts. A H gate box would make some of the cars redundnant like the M5, GT-R concept ect. You're limited to whatever the maximum number of gears on the gate is if you go down that route, if you have
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sequential gears you avoid the problem of including a car with more gears than the box or trying to use the wheel on other games. I say no thanks to a H gate, it's not needed, clutch would be very nice.
 
amar212
I really do not see the "CLUTCH" point.

All modern race cars worldwide are using sequential gearbox. More and more street cars has it too. 95% american cars are made automatic.

And it would be expensive to manufacture wheel like that.

All that is needed in series is reprogramming the game in this term: if the street-car is made automatic, then manual shifting is not possible until the manual gearbox is bought and fitted.

I'd prefer metal-made pedals in front of every (useless) clutch pedal.
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In every gran turismo you start wit ha low hp economy car. MAYBE with a sporty feel. im pretty sure those arent 'modern race cars'.

its not a racing simulator, its a Driving simulator.

Clutch ME!!!

ps. automatics are for soccer moms.
 
If a new wheel is released for GT5 I will buy it, aslong as its a improvement over my DFP.

I am hoping for metal reliable pedals that has a clutch, but thats wishfull thinking.
 
im 100% sure i would buy it as long as it is not as expensive as the ps3 <_< .....
a clutch is essential for those wanabe drifters out there(----> me :) ) ..plus we could practice heal toe :P
 
live4speed
Too right it has up and down shifts. A H gate box would make some of the cars redundnant like the M5, GT-R concept ect. You're limited to whatever the maximum number of gears on the gate is if you go down that route, if you have
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sequential gears you avoid the problem of including a car with more gears than the box or trying to use the wheel on other games. I say no thanks to a H gate, it's not needed, clutch would be very nice.
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this can easily be gotten around as its not a big issue at all.
 
I think a clutch pedal and a stick would still be nice features to have. For sequential gears all they have to do is add flappy paddles behind the wheel.
 
It might be possible to have sort of a 'build your own' system. Just offer the normal wheel as it is, and people can buy and tack on a clutch and/or H shifter if they want.
They could also offer multiple trim levels for the wheel, ex;
base: All plastiky
GT: Arcade-durable metal hardware, rubberized grip wheel.
GT-X: Leather wrapped, polished aluminum, Momo sponsered glory.

It would be a cool feature if the wheel had a quick-swap hub and you could buy various manufacturer specific wheels to replace it with (like this, for example). I think it's a little before that point that things stop being profitable though.
 
German Muscle
this can easily be gotten around as its not a big issue at all.
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How so, by giving you a H gate with like 16 gears on it, do you know how big that could become. Theres the possibilty of some truck racing or truck racing games and some used even more gears. Also you're adding a lot more moving parts, more parts to break, theres nothing wrong with up and down, thats how most race cars are anyway.
 
live4speed
How so, by giving you a H gate with like 16 gears on it, do you know how big that could become. Theres the possibilty of some truck racing or truck racing games and some used even more gears. Also you're adding a lot more moving parts, more parts to break, theres nothing wrong with up and down, thats how most race cars are anyway.
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they arent going to put Macks and Kenworths in the game. the most gears in GT4 is 8. so 8 gates. Have reverse as one of the buttons on the wheel. For sequential you can use wither the paddles or the shifter. Gear gate 1 will be downshift and gate 2 wil be upshift. The Driving Force wheel is built for GT since it has GT logos ont he product. Its compatible with other games but its made for GT. Yes its more moving parts to break thats why you dont skimp out. It seems you think sequential shifting is as real as it gets. The purpose for the clutch and H pattern shift is because you play half of the game with a car or cars that is like this. There is at least double if not triple the amount of H pattern shift cars than sequential. I dont know if youve noticed it in GT4 but when you have a stock car and drive it, it shifts extremely slow! this really gets to me because its very unrealistic. I personally could shift much much faster and this will turn better lap times and be way more realistic. This feature will of course probably not ever make it into a GT Wheel and that is no big deal, i just want polyphony to include this feature into the software so that it will work with the FrexGP Wheel setup and accessories.
 
The maximum number of gates is seven. Six gears, with reverse, or five gears with reverse, and the dogleg reverse for the 6-box disabled. There should be a shut-out feature for reverse, like in real-life, when coming down from a high gear, and an automatic shut-out for fifth gear in the five-and-reverse configuration for 4-speed manuals.

There has never been nor will there ever be a seven speed stick. Even six-speeds are too complicated for some people/applications.

And then only first and second gear will be engaged for sequential stick boxes, to simulate up and down push-pull shifts, and steering-wheel paddles for sequential road-boxes.

I doubt they will have trucks with low gear ratios, but since it's not very smart to change 4-wheel drive ratios on the fly, this gearbox can go push-button for all I care.

It's not hard, but as peripherals go, it'll be $$$$.
 
The problem with putting an H gate is that every manual car's gearbox feels different. Same with a clutch. I don't think that this would be able to be simulated very easily. Also, it would have to be separable from the wheel so you can mount it at a proper location and be able to switch it to the left side for all the people who live in countries with RHD cars. Also, it would be expensive as it would cost more to make and have a smaller market as I'm not sure many non-hardcore racing fans could be bothered with having to worry about stalling a car when they're taking off or when they spin out. I know I would buy one if it was made and was any good, I'm not a fan of sequential gearboxes or automatics - I like the extra control you get with a clutch.
 
German Muscle
they arent going to put Macks and Kenworths in the game. the most gears in GT4 is 8. so 8 gates. Have reverse as one of the buttons on the wheel. For sequential you can use wither the paddles or the shifter. Gear gate 1 will be downshift and gate 2 wil be upshift. The Driving Force wheel is built for GT since it has GT logos ont he product. Its compatible with other games but its made for GT. Yes its more moving parts to break thats why you dont skimp out. It seems you think sequential shifting is as real as it gets. The purpose for the clutch and H pattern shift is because you play half of the game with a car or cars that is like this. There is at least double if not triple the amount of H pattern shift cars than sequential. I dont know if youve noticed it in GT4 but when you have a stock car and drive it, it shifts extremely slow! this really gets to me because its very unrealistic. I personally could shift much much faster and this will turn better lap times and be way more realistic. This feature will of course probably not ever make it into a GT Wheel and that is no big deal, i just want polyphony to include this feature into the software so that it will work with the FrexGP Wheel setup and accessories.
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Actually, weather you were thinking of this as you typed or not, you've given me an idea how to make a H gate ****er work on any game no matter how many gears. And it's probably what niky was talking about. You have a 6 speed H gate + the reverse. Anycars with sequential boxes as you said just use gear 1 and 2 to shift up and down. The game would need to be able to tell the box it's sequential and make it push the stick back out of gear and into the center after each change and for the wheel to still recognise it as in gear. It's a bit too complicated though. But if you could get it work faultlessly then you'd just default any car with more than 6 gears to the sequential setup.
 
exactly thats the same thing i came up with and also wen the H gate is switch to sequetial the 1 and 2 slide slot could be closed up closer so u dont have the long bak and forth movement
 
I think the big question would be whether people would pay for yet another wheel.

For example, I never got a wheel for GT3... so GT3, for me, was a $50 game.

However, I bought a DFP and a stand for GT4.. so GT4 was, for me, a $200 game.

I look at the DFP as an investment, and I fully plan on using it for GT5.. I don't want another $200 game, and simply toss my DFP into the closet.

In the end, it's not necessarily about whether it's "cool" or not.. I agree that it would be neat to have a real stick-shift.. but I don't think many people would rush out to buy one if they already have a DFP at home.
 
tedaconda
ps. automatics are for soccer moms.
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NOO i would much rather be rooling in a brand new 300c with and aauto trans than a cluth or maybe for luxery cars in general. And alot of people i knwo avhe automatics somethings its not a mater of whats cool its a matter of whats available.
 
Jedi2016
I think the big question would be whether people would pay for yet another wheel.

For example, I never got a wheel for GT3... so GT3, for me, was a $50 game.

However, I bought a DFP and a stand for GT4.. so GT4 was, for me, a $200 game.

I look at the DFP as an investment, and I fully plan on using it for GT5.. I don't want another $200 game, and simply toss my DFP into the closet.

In the end, it's not necessarily about whether it's "cool" or not.. I agree that it would be neat to have a real stick-shift.. but I don't think many people would rush out to buy one if they already have a DFP at home.
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Well i fully understand what Your trying to say...but u can turn in ur old Dfp's to save money so instead of paying 300 u might be able to only have to pay 150.
 
it will work damnit!!! could someone plz lock this thread. everytime someone posts here i'm scared that a new dfp wheel will come out. Sony would not screw us over like that. they would be burned to the ground by angry DFP owners like me who spent 150$ on the wheel.
 
I'd like to point out that 'up' is downshift and 'down' is upshift (small correction to what was said earlier)

i don't think a good clutch+6gear system would be realisic for the average user of the DFP (or equal anyways). A wheel like that would cost too much and would need to be very robust 'cause a clutch and H shift thing gets beat up rather firmly compared to the up/down system we have on the DFP right now.

On the other hand, as i mentionned in the 'what i'd like to see in GT5' thread, what i'd like to see is Clutch and 6+ gears SUPPORT (software-based) if a user decides to spend lots of money on a good system like what FREX do (they actually sell the real MOMO racing wheel for the DFP...).

And that's something i'd like to see for the 'next DFP... a bigger sized wheel...
 

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