For the Pros: Difference in JP Cars?

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robzombie1230
Hello,

i didn't have come to this point yet and since I will barely see the difference...: Where is the difference in all the variations of the Japanese cars? I mean if you simply, only as an example, pick those 2 cars from the list (or any other similiar pair):

Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91

Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93

Except little differences in HP and Weight...are they different to drive in any way?

Thanks :)
 
The overwhelming majority of them have no differences. Its just PD pretending that there are 1000 cars in the game.
 
Just Kaz's fascination with Japanese cars!

Where's our Escort Mexico, XR3i, RS1600, RSTurbo, Sierra Cosworth, XR4i, XR4x4, Nova GTE, Astra GTE, Cavalier SRi, GSi2000 Turbo, Capri 280 Brooklands, Fiesta XR2, XR2i, RS1800, RS Turbo etc, etc....
 
phil_75
Just Kaz's fascination with Japanese cars!

Where's our Escort Mexico, XR3i, RS1600, RSTurbo, Sierra Cosworth, XR4i, XR4x4, Nova GTE, Astra GTE, Cavalier SRi, GSi2000 Turbo, Capri 280 Brooklands, Fiesta XR2, XR2i, RS1800, RS Turbo etc, etc....
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I agree 100% how did they miss all those cars there all classics 👍
 
why dont you just read the car description? im sure you will find info about that car and which years were the best and why. things like which engine, how much power, what was added, ect ect ect.
 
I think a good way is to use the Z33 350z. The development team said that they had slightly different suspension tunings for JP, NA, and EU. So if PD did take it into account, then some might be able to feel it.
 
Largely, there is no difference. On occasion - and you have to have a checksheet in front of you here - you'll find a car which has two or three name-variants which have real, physical (but minor) differences. The 350Z example is worth mentioning again, but less subtle ones exist.

Of the MX-5 versions mentioned:

Eunos Roadster J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 950kg
MX-5 Miata J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 940kg
MX-5 J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 940kg

Eunos Roadster J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 990kg
MX-5 Miata J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 980kg
MX-5 J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 990kg

All of the J-Limited II cars have more power, more torque and are heavier than the J-Limiteds. The Miata variant is always the lightest and the Eunos Roadster the heaviest (10kg difference) with the MX-5 being as light as the Miata for one and as heavy as the Eunos Roadster for the other.

JACK_GTR
I agree 100% how did they miss all those cars there all classics 👍
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All the cars that PD could possibly get in GT5 are in GT5. If a car is "missing" it's because either they didn't know about it (unlikely - their knowledge of cars rivals anyones), didn't want it (unlikely in the case of significant models), couldn't get hold of a standard one to model (likely with older, rarer cars), couldn't get a licence to include it (very likely) or couldn't finish it in time (quite likely). If it's not in the game, it's because it couldn't be in the game, and not because they're idiots who stupidly missed out your chosen model/marque.
 
Last seen in GT2 - so they both knew of it and probably wanted it. Either they couldn't get hold of one to model anew or couldn't get a licence to include it, or didn't finish it in time.

Just so you know, they aren't allowed to use GT4 publicity photos showing cars from GT4 that aren't in GT5 any more because they no longer have all the licences required... If they wanted to, say, do a video montage of previous GT games as publicity for a future release, they couldn't for licencing reasons (and yes, I have discussed this at length with a member of SCEI).
 
Famine

Eunos Roadster J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 950kg
MX-5 Miata J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 940kg
MX-5 J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 940kg

Eunos Roadster J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 990kg
MX-5 Miata J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 980kg
MX-5 J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 990kg

with the MX-5 being as light as the Miata for one and as heavy as the Eunos Roadster for the other.[/color]
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Wow first of all, big thanks for this detailed answer! Regarding your last sentence: But then these pairs:

MX-5 Miata J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 940kg
MX-5 J-Limited '91 - 114hp, 94lbft, 940kg

Eunos Roadster J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 990kg
MX-5 J-Limited II '93 - 126hp, 108lbft, 990kg

are equal? I can't compare, because i dont have them ingame right now :/.
 
They're physically equal - though you might catch sight of the Miata driver in the left side of the car and the Eunos/MX-5 drivers in the right (in every sense) side. In theory the cars should be pretty much identical - though a reality sidebar might include the fact that Eunos Roadsters tended to come with fitted LSDs and MX-5s didn't.

But then in reality, the MX-5 J-Limited/J-Limited II and Miata J-Limited/J-Limited II don't actually exist (the only NA MX-5 available in that yellow, called Sunburst Yellow over here, was the California special edition from 1995). The reason they exist in GT5 is because in GT4 each region got the MX-5 models PD had licensing for (the Japanese special editions) but named for the MX-5 variant of their region (Eunos Roadster/Roadster in Japan, Miata in North America and MX-5 in Europe). The GT5 car list is derived from the GTPSP car list which was, simply, an amalgamation of the regional car lists from GT4 (with minor additions and omissions) to allow a single standard for online play. It's an error they haven't yet corrected.
 
I guess the answer for some cars is: nuance.

I was trying out some cars from 1983. The Civic and the Sprinter. Tuned to 400PP the Sprinter is much faster than the Civic (for me).

Then I expanded my range and checked out the 1983 Skyline RS Turbo. It's a nice driving car and fits well at 450PP.

While reading the write up for the 83 Skyline, it mentioned the 1984 Skyline Turbo C. I had one of those too and checked it out.

At the same PP and basically the same set up, the 84 is faster around Tsukuba by about .3 seconds. It also drives differently and the engine revs differently.

So, I would say that you have to really look for the differences between some of the cars to actually notice them.
 
Famine
Last seen in GT2 - so they both knew of it and probably wanted it. Either they couldn't get hold of one to model anew or couldn't get a licence to include it, or didn't finish it in time.
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It was in GT3 (along with the TS020 GT-One road car and a couple of others). That was why I was joking about its absence.
 
There are various special editions of the Miatas but most of them don't have any engine output differences. Most of the variation is in the wheel, paint, interior, etc so you'll find minor differences in the weight. There are several other versions that come with a different suspension setup (Bilstein shocks).
 
The real life differences between the J Ltd and J Ltd II are simply a matter of different alloys and the II has a black wind screen surround, also slight differences in interior trim. Can't remember off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure the J Ltd was a 1.6l and the J Ltd II was a 1.8l, it is said that the 1.6l feels free-er revving and also the 1.6's had smaller brake discs hence scarier braking. :D

As far as the difference between Eunos vs MX5, afaik the Eunos always came with air con as standard which would explain the slight weight increase.

Most baffling is that PD duplicate so many of these MX5's yet do not include arguably the best Limited Editions like the RS-Ltd, R-Ltd, S Ltd, BBR Turbo and Mazdaspeed NB.
 
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The Miatas have different PP, even with all the same visible stats, so maybe there is some chassis stuff and what not being accounted for.
 
Maffski
Most baffling is that PD duplicate so many of these MX5's yet do not include arguably the best Limited Editions like the RS-Ltd, R-Ltd, S Ltd, BBR Turbo and Mazdaspeed NB.
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They've never included a non-Japanese special edition, so the BBR Turbo and MS are out - along with the Le Mans (I've seen the black Le Mans), the Jasper Conran or the funky-interiored Gleneagles. It's a pity the Japanese-market 10AE (which was worldwide - and still my favourite) or the M2-1002 never made it.
 
"The" being the operative word. The NC Superlight is still heavier (and larger) than a bone stock NA, and the NA has the advantage that you can drive it without picking bugs out your teeth and put the roof up when you've stopped driving it.

Besides, it's a Mazda Europe project, so not a surprise that it isn't it.
 
Hey, any car I can drive in GT5 is a car I can drive in GT5. I like them all, even the terrible ones. They could even add a Morris Marina and I'd be pleased.
 
I'm sure I've said this too many times lately, but I've recently been watching a lot of Best Motoring. One volume had a road test of the EP Civic Type R in France, and they were surprised by the soft handling, at which point the Honda rep explained that cars for the European market tend to have softer suspensions than Japanese domestics because of the road conditions here, and also because people take their cars on track days far more often in Japan, so they prefer a harder, more track-focuses ride. Therefore, it wouldn't be too surprising to find some cars like the S2000 and S2000 (EU) to have suspension differences like that.

Also in another volume they were talking about the Impreza and how the emissions were too high for US certification with the 2-litre turbo, so to get the same power with lower emissions they used a 2.5-litre turbo. That's not to say all cars will have different engines in the US variants, but they may have other tweaks in a similar direction.
 
Famine
They've never included a non-Japanese special edition, so the BBR Turbo and MS are out - along with the Le Mans (I've seen the black Le Mans), the Jasper Conran or the funky-interiored Gleneagles. It's a pity the Japanese-market 10AE (which was worldwide - and still my favourite) or the M2-1002 never made it.
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Agreed on the M2-1002, lovely car... my Panasports were canibalised from one. :lol:

But there was a JDM Mazdaspeed, not to be confused with the Mazdaspeed Turbo seen in Australia and the USA. http://www.dandycars.com/Frequently...2005)/Mazdaspeed_Special_Edition_Roadster.htm
 
Famine
- though you might catch sight of the Miata driver in the left side of the car and the Eunos/MX-5 drivers in the right
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Are you sure ? I've driven close to 20 of them now, and watching replays I can't recall seeing one that was left hand drive. I did find that surprising given the Miatas worldwide popularity. I could always be mistaken of course. :sly:
 
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