Ford Builds One For Us: The *Official* 2008 Bullitt Mustang

[TheCracker]

I wasn't having a go at you Joey, i didn't mean to sound agressive.

But i do think it needs to be a very short run (in the 100's rather than 1000's) for one of these moderns to eventully become a viable investment.

From what i've seen of the classics market, prices for rare ('60s) muscle cars seem to be unusually buoyant at the moment. I doubt this trend will continue forever. Come 30 or 40 years time, our 'contemporary muscle' cars maybe very unfashionable in the classics market - but who knows?

Do any mid-eighties Mustangs go for big money these days? - did they make any decent Mustangs during that period?

 

[Jim Prower]

It depends. I think a few SVO Turbos might be getting up there, thanks to rarity, but '80s cars haven't really caught fire in the market, yet, save for the specials like the DeLorean and the GNX/The Firebird with the GNX mill. The only other Fox-body cars with raised prices might be the ASC McLaren Mercury Capri and the first Saleen 'Stangs.

'70s cars are just now beginning to catch on, (and pretty much only the Imports and AMCs, Corvettes, Volkswagens, and, perhaps, the Cossie Vega.) so, you'll have to give mid '80s cars about 15-20 years.

5.0 Mustangs, though, are popular cars to modify, especially among drag racers: they're lighter than a Camaro of same vintage, and easy to find parts for. They're "Decent" in the way that, say, an AE86 is "Decent": Fun to drive stock, but not spectacular, 'till you start fiddling with it...

Believe me...there's enough Fox-body cars rumbling about with off-road X-pipes to justify their popularity 'round here.

 

[Div is back]

McLaren, you have your head up your ass at such a point you can even see the rice you're trying to chew, a Lexus IS250, please.

If you could not understand my sacarsm about my Japanese comments, which was referring to your comments about Mustang owners/suckers, that you've reinstated again, then you're clearly blind.

You keep on saying it's overpriced yet you have not shown any alternative in that price bracket, and spare me the IS250, please.

 

[YSSMAN]

Heh, there's no point in people arguing with Brad over which is the better buy. The simple rule of GM > All applies .

It doesn't always happen, but with Toyota its a near-certainty. Its odd really, because I've been defending Ford a lot more lately as well... Particularly the Mustang. Weird...

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Question: If Dodge builds a 'Vanishing Point' Challenger, are people going to be just as "upset" over it as they are with the Bullitt?

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Do any mid-eighties Mustangs go for big money these days? - did they make any decent Mustangs during that period?

The SVO, like it has been said, is the only '80s Mustang thats really worth a lot of money as of right now. I know there is also a very strong following with the "notchback" 5.0 GT models, particularly those that were used by Police Departments across the United States.

...Jump forward a couple of years and the SVT products are holding up quite well I believe. If I'm not mistaken those were often produced in numbers that exceeded that of the California Special, Shelby GT, and Bullitt editions, but I didn't hear people complaining then either. I do seem to recall the more-recent Cobra R and the last of the SVT Cobras to hold value quite well, although I haven't been in the market for one, so I can't be completely sure.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

This new Bullitt mustang looks ok at best. Give me a Saleen S281 or the Mustang from the Transformers movie and I will be happy. That Transformers Mustang was just sick!

 

[Jim Prower]

This new Bullitt mustang looks ok at best. Give me a Saleen S281 or the Mustang from the Transformers movie and I will be happy. That Transformers Mustang was just sick!

Wasn't that a Camaro?

Wait, You'd want a Camaro, wouldn't you...

 

[Omnis]

Wasn't that a Camaro?

Wait, You'd want a Camaro, wouldn't you...

No, he's talking about Barricade, not Bumblebee.

 

[McLaren]

Better car? You mean the G8 over the Mustang, right? Because no one even takes the IS250 seriously, even Lexus salesmen. That car is for punk-ass kids who couldn't afford the "big boy" version. I'll happily take a V8, a suspension that actually performs well enough to be both capable and
comfortable, and the eventual option of a stick (T56 coming, 6L80E will do).

So I'm a punk-ass kid? Thanks for the generalization. 👎

The sadder truth is that having personally driven an IS250, it wipes the floor with any Mustang excluding, Saleen, Roush, or Shelby. You know, real Mustangs worth paying over $30,000 for.

But then again I know I'm crazy for liking what is clearly the better choice; The one with character, purpose, and substance. Hell, I'd even take the V6 G8 over the IS250, so you know that I'm crazy...

I find it hilarious that having driven both cars, thus allowing me to make a solid opinion, I'm still being bashed for picking what I know is a better car.

And the only reason you'd picked the G8, is because you're heavily drawn towards any GM product. Please, do not deny it.

Who is paying $6000 more? Almost every Mustang GT you see out on the dealer lots with the "common" options equipped run about $27-28K. Considering that most of it will be standard equipment on a $31K Bullitt, I'd consider the $3000 price increase minimal at best, something I think a lot of enthusiasts would be happy to pay.

I'm going by MSRP's. If you want to go by options included, then you should also include the ridiculously stupid dealer markups that will be put on the Bullitt.

Please, excuse Ford for utilizing the marketing department to keep renewed interest in their car. People have been waiting for the Bullitt car to return since 2001, god forbid we let them celebrate once in a while...

Ford wouldn't have to be trying to keep folks interested in the Mustang if they didn't keep offering some special model every year.

They aren't sucker cars, just wait 15-20 years and they will actually be worth some money because of their rarity. And if Ford can make a bit of money on them by jacking up the price then more power to them. I do think it's unfair to the buyer to call them a sucker for buying this.

2 decades can drive the price up of anything these days. 20 years from now, I doubt even a single GT-H, Shelby GT, or GT500 will be worth much more than you paid for them.

You keep on saying it's overpriced yet you have not shown any alternative in that price bracket, and spare me the IS250, please.

Ignoring your stupid ass remarks and the fact that your "sarcasm" can still be found as offensive, the G37S & the 350Z are far better cars. May I also include the WRX STi, Evolution X, & even the Mugen Si.

Now go away, and take your sterotypical comments somewhere else as you obviously have your head shoved so far up Ford's ass, you'd probably be idiotic enough to think a Bullitt was worth $40,000.
P.S. Don't bother replying. I'd rather not have to read another one of your sterotypical comments about Japanese cars being "Japanese rice". Sarcasm or not, I'll report it next time.

 

[YSSMAN]

So I'm a punk-ass kid? Thanks for the generalization. 👎

Taking things so personally... Double down on your behalf...

The sadder truth is that having personally driven an IS250, it wipes the floor with any Mustang excluding, Saleen, Roush, or Shelby. You know, real Mustangs worth paying over $30,000 for.

I honestly wouldn't even compare the two, but apparently you have. But even then, I'd still take the Mustang GT and actually enjoy the car that actually allows me to drive it.

I find it hilarious that having driven both cars, thus allowing me to make a solid opinion, I'm still being bashed for picking what I know is a better car.

Welcome to the Internet, been here in a while?

And the only reason you'd picked the G8, is because you're heavily drawn towards any GM product. Please, do not deny it.

Who said I was? Didn't I just say in the post above that I'd take just about any GM product over that of any Toyota? Honestly, its the same with VW (over Toyota) as well. People have preferences, get over it. Funny thing is, no matter how much the Commodore has proven itself in Australia and Europe, people will do their damndest not care just because its a GM product. God forbid we build an excellent car for a shockingly good price once in a while...

I'm going by MSRP's. If you want to go by options included, then you should also include the ridiculously stupid dealer markups that will be put on the Bullitt.

Understandable, and I'm fully-expecting a $5-15K markup on every one of the Bullitt models to come around here. Because you know Fox Ford must have their "Market Adjustment" to keep things fair. Doesn't make it any less pointless however. You will occasionally find dealers who sell them straight, but its becoming a rarity here in Grand Rapids.

Ford wouldn't have to be trying to keep folks interested in the Mustang if they didn't keep offering some special model every year.

So, if any company makes a special edition of a car that is fewer than 8000 a year, its automatically a crime? Ford has been doing this for years now, hardly time to complain about a few special runs. It keeps the Ford fans happy. Hell, it even keeps regular American car fans happy. I don't think this is a crime... Not even when the almighty Toyota does the same damn thing with their Scion models every year...

 

[JCE]

*throws water on the flames*

Ok guys this topic's been argued to death. Now lets move on. Ford is smart for offering something that someone will pay money for. Isn't that the real golden nugget here?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Wasn't that a Camaro?

Wait, You'd want a Camaro, wouldn't you...

This is a thread about Mustangs so why would I bring up a Camaro? I was talking about the Black 2007 S281 Mustang called Barricade from Transformers. Bumblebee is the Camaro. This is Barricade.

 

[McLaren]

I honestly wouldn't even compare the two, but apparently you have. But even then, I'd still take the Mustang GT and actually enjoy the car that actually allows me to drive it.

Then you've never driven any IS.

Who said I was? Didn't I just say in the post above that I'd take just about any GM product over that of any Toyota? Honestly, its the same with VW (over Toyota) as well. People have preferences, get over it. Funny thing is, no matter how much the Commodore has proven itself in Australia and Europe, people will do their damndest not care just because its a GM product. God forbid we build an excellent car for a shockingly good price once in a while...

I'm not talking about the G8. You were the one who brought it into the conversation anyways. I think the G8 is fine & I would take one over the Bullitt any day.

Understandable, and I'm fully-expecting a $5-15K markup on every one of the Bullitt models to come around here. Because you know Fox Ford must have their "Market Adjustment" to keep things fair. Doesn't make it any less pointless however. You will occasionally find dealers who sell them straight, but its becoming a rarity here in Grand Rapids.

Which will be ridiculous. $15K markups on GT500's are one thing. A dealer making me pay $40,000K for a 315Bhp Mustang? I'll take that money to Chevy and by a 'Vette, thank you.

So, if any company makes a special edition of a car that is fewer than 8000 a year, its automatically a crime? Ford has been doing this for years now, hardly time to complain about a few special runs. It keeps the Ford fans happy. Hell, it even keeps regular American car fans happy. I don't think this is a crime... Not even when the almighty Toyota does the same damn thing with their Scion models every year...

There's a difference between making a special edition worth buying, and making a special edition that isn't. Ford keeps making all these Mustangs, & yet it's no wonder they're rarely being seen even though they're in the lowest range of sport car prices.

 

[Leonidae]

I have only one question.. does it have IRS?

 

[super cirrus]

Question: If Dodge builds a 'Vanishing Point' Challenger, are people going to be just as "upset" over it as they are with the Bullitt?

if it's supercharged like the movie car, no. if they paint it white, give it a v6 grill and charge an extra 3 grand, yes.

...Jump forward a couple of years and the SVT products are holding up quite well I believe. If I'm not mistaken those were often produced in numbers that exceeded that of the California Special, Shelby GT, and Bullitt editions, but I didn't hear people complaining then either. I do seem to recall the more-recent Cobra R and the last of the SVT Cobras to hold value quite well, although I haven't been in the market for one, so I can't be completely sure.

but every single cobra offers a significant performance advantage over the gt. The 2001 cobra offered 60+ hp, brembo brakes and significantly improved handling from the irs, different cosmetics. plus, the price difference was nealry the same. The only one of the new mustangs that are gonna be worth anything are the shelbys, and that is simply due to the name, not the performance.

 

[YSSMAN]

I have only one question.. does it have IRS?

This is Ford, think about it...

...We won't see an IRS Mustang until the new chassis debuts in 2009 or 2010 at the earliest...

 

[Tornado]

I'm going to interject a minute here and take McLaren's side on this. YSSMAN, I'm sorry to say you are clearly misinformed about the IS250. Given the choice between the two, even if the Mustang was cheaper, I would take the IS250.
You seem to think that the IS250 is the poor man's IS350, and that it is simply the same VDIM-laden, understeering pig that the more expensive IS350 is. That is not the case. The IS250 is all the same rambunctious, great driving vehicle that the old IS was, with very little of the computer crap that the IS350 is subjected to. And you can get it with a manual. The IS250 may be the poor mans version, but much like the Porsche range, the lower cost version is the driver's machine. And is a far better alternative to the 2 ton G8 V6 if you want driving excitement.
And about this part:

Not even when the almighty Toyota does the same damn thing with their Scion models every year...

Name both examples, and if that is possible, name examples that were not ridicules with the same fervor that this is getting from me and McLaren.

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm going to interject a minute here and take McLaren's side on this. YSSMAN, I'm sorry to say you are clearly misinformed about the IS250.

Maybe so, as I do recall hearing that the IS250 was "fun-ish," but I can't imagine it being any better than a Mustang. Then again, my preferences towards assorted automobiles often seems to be that of an older style, something that requires a bit of work to play with. No big deal, agree to disagree then, but I'd much rather spend $30K on a Mustang. Yes, I'm crazy...

Name both examples, and if that is possible, name examples that were not ridicules with the same fervor that this is getting from me and McLaren.

I personally was thinking of the "Release Series" Scions that they have done with every model, every year, which is often little more than a few trim pieces and an extra set of wheels for $3000 or more over sticker. While editions are usually limited to fewer numbers by comparison to the Bullitt, I believe proportionally in terms of sales, they may in fact be close in terms of "rarity."

In all honesty, everyone does "special editions" that aren't all that special to begin with, but cars like the Bullitt are clearly in a different league. Heritage, performance, and attitude make it stand out in my book.

...But hey, I know I'm crazy...

 

[SlipZtrEm]

The 2001 cobra offered 60+ hp

Er... wasn't this actually not the case, and Ford suffered a huge embarassment, dropping the model the following year? The Cobra was gone until the supercharger showed up. It was kinda like the Miata problem Mazda had.

 

[super cirrus]

Er... wasn't this actually not the case, and Ford suffered a huge embarassment, dropping the model the following year? The Cobra was gone until the supercharger showed up. It was kinda like the Miata problem Mazda had.

it did suffer the problem in 99, which they issued a recall on, and spent 2000 fixing, which is why they didnt make any for 2000 (other than the R). The 2001 cobra made the power it was supposed to, because 99s only ran low 14 second quater miles, barely faster than the gt, but the 01 ran mid to high 13s. and for 2002...i dont know. Guess they were busy with the new cobra and the mach 1.

 

[McLaren]

You know, even though I've criticized Ford for building what I find to be just Mustangs w/ a special paint and a higher sticker, if Ford was ever to suddenly think a new SVT Cobra was needed, that would probably be my first interest in a Mustang.

Seriously Ford, bring back the Cobra, not my rental Mustang.

 

[JCE]

I'll second that. The 2003-2004 SVT Cobra was a serious beast, everyone knows how much I love that car. If an SVT Cobra were to return expect 550bhp or more--which would seriously make my pants happy.

 

[YSSMAN]

You know, even though I've criticized Ford for building what I find to be just Mustangs w/ a special paint and a higher sticker, if Ford was ever to suddenly think a new SVT Cobra was needed, that would probably be my first interest in a Mustang.

Seriously Ford, bring back the Cobra, not my rental Mustang.

I completely second that as well. I honestly was not all too happy when they said they were pretty much dropping the SVT line after the Shelby GT500 debuted. It isn't as though the car has been horrible, it just hasn't lived up to the awesomeness that was its predecessor.

Give the SVT guys something to do, God knows they need it right now. I'm sure they could make a monster out of the current Mustang well before they get around to releasing the new one...

 

[McLaren]

I'll second that. The 2003-2004 SVT Cobra was a serious beast, everyone knows how much I love that car. If an SVT Cobra were to return expect 550bhp or more--which would seriously make my pants happy.

Carroll would never allow Ford to build a bigger Mustang than his pig of a baby.

However, I'd be completely happy with a 430Bhp model & perhaps, even a 450Bhp Cobra R.

 

[Tornado]

However, I'd be completely happy with a 430Bhp model & perhaps, even a 450Bhp Cobra R.

Then Ford had the car for you: