Ford EcoBoost: It Will be EcoBoost, All the Way Down

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Fitty Cent thinks the G8 Ute will do well, and so do I. It will be interesting what engines end up in the Falcon after all these changes.
 
A Bit of an EcoBoost Update

Ford announced a 2.0L EcoBoost a while back...

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Now they've got a new 1.6L Unit

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Apparently this little bugger will be replacing their "larger" I4s from the C-segment vehicles, which will likely include the 2.0L and 2.5L units currently seen in a wide number of Ford vehicles. Power output is expected to be around 180 BHP, while still offering the same (or better) fuel efficiency as the larger units. NICE!
 
Mmmmm. And look at that number in the pic, 230bhp + 240tq. Can we stuff that in a Mustang please?
 


According to Ford, it's all about fuel economy. With engine growing a reputation of being both efficient and powerful, it's a no-brainer. Plus, adding EcoBoost to a few models will make things very interesting, particularly on the lower end of the size scale.

I'm thinking...
  • Ford Fiesta ST - 200 BHP 1.6L EcoBoost
  • Ford Mustang SVO - 300 BHP 2.0L EcoBoost
  • Ford Fusion SVT - 250 BHP 2.0L EcoBoost (from the Focus ST)

Count me in on an SVO. Hands-down.
 
I'm really interested in that Fiesta and the Fusion. Ford could have some really great cars on their hands with those. Here's hoping that they make them into actual sport versions instead of the same car with a big horsepower engine.
 
Fusion makes less than zero sense. Give it 300hp or go away; we've already got the V6 if we only want 250hp.
 
I'm wondering if they'd get rid of the V6 or use the turbo to make a more sporty version than the V6. A sports version would definitely benefit from the smaller motor with the same power.
 
Thing is though, nobody's going to buy an SVT car that invariably costs more yet is slower than the normal Fusion "Sport".
 
Rotary Junkie
Fusion makes less than zero sense. Give it 300hp or go away; we've already got the V6 if we only want 250hp.
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A 250HP Fusion turbo would probably mean Ford would put the Mustang engine in the Fusion instead. I'm actually somewhat surprised they haven't started doing that already for most of their lineup that uses the 3.5L.
 
I hope Ford grows a pair and makes a 350hp AWD Fusion SVT... Although that'd make the Taurus SHO useless... Damn.
 
If ford was smart theyd make all of their engine bays modular so you could put whatever the heck you wanted in there.
 
I'd just be looking to keep the weight down and crank the power up "responsibly." It doesn't have to be the fastest sedan on the market, but "the best driving," I'll settle for that.
 
YSSMAN
I'd just be looking to keep the weight down and crank the power up "responsibly." It doesn't have to be the fastest sedan on the market, but "the best driving," I'll settle for that.
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That's asking a lot from Ford.
 
YSSMAN
I'm thinking...
  • Ford Fusion SVT - 250 BHP 2.0L EcoBoost (from the Focus ST)
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Come on now, don't be like Chevrolet and slap the SVT badge on every lackluster thing you can find in the stable. Special Vehicle Team cars have serious credentials, we don't want any born-again Malibu SSs running around. That car had 10 fewer horses than what you suggested.

A Fusion SVT would be most logical with a Speed 6 drivetrain, besides it not being an Ecoboost engine. The Speed 6 had a measly 280 horses, a complaint back a few years ago, but now that 280 can be had in an Avalon it's peanuts. Customers demand more, and "SVT" shouldn't put their name on anything that isn't serious. Perhaps an SHO drivetrain, and a more mature style of performance. I'm not sure what they can do with a turbo 2.0, but it seems you can only make it so powerful and have so smooth a torque curve. We will see.

Save the big-power Ecoboost 4 for an AWD Focus RS. People might easily get stuck on the whole "4 cylinder" idea, turbo or not, so if you're gonna put a rowdy 4 in something you should probably put it in a rowdy car. Think Evo.

EDIT: Rotary Junkie, the main benefit of having a smaller engine is vastly increased city gas mileage. Lots of people do a lot of city driving, and when they see the difference between two equally powerful engines, one a V6 and the other a turbo 4, they'll be headed straight for the 4. What would you rather idle at a 4 minute stop light, a 2.0 or a 3.5? Gotta keep those pistons flying somehow, and the bigger it is the more gas it uses. Lots more. My family's old G6 averaged 15 city on a good day, whereas our current 1.6-fewer-liter Corolla averages 30 mind-bending miles per gallon from here to Walmart and back.
 
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Am I the only one who is legitimately STOKED at the F150 with the Twin Turbo V6? Yes yes yes, Mustang this Fusion that. The F150 of all vehicles would be great in TT guise.

Rotary Junkie
Thing is though, nobody's going to buy an SVT car that invariably costs more yet is slower than the normal Fusion "Sport".
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That's because the EcoBoost 2.0L would BE the Sport and the higher end model with the V6 would be the ST (not SVT).
 
Keef
EDIT: Rotary Junkie, the main benefit of having a smaller engine is vastly increased city gas mileage. Lots of people do a lot of city driving, and when they see the difference between two equally powerful engines, one a V6 and the other a turbo 4, they'll be headed straight for the 4. What would you rather idle at a 4 minute stop light, a 2.0 or a 3.5? Gotta keep those pistons flying somehow, and the bigger it is the more gas it uses. Lots more. My family's old G6 averaged 15 city on a good day, whereas our current 1.6-fewer-liter Corolla averages 30 mind-bending miles per gallon from here to Walmart and back.
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This is all true; I was mostly responding to YSSMAN's notion that an SVT Fusion should have the 250hp four-cyl.

JCE
That's because the EcoBoost 2.0L would BE the Sport and the higher end model with the V6 would be the ST (not SVT).
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This works. See above.
 
The Falcon is already getting a 2.0L Ecoboost model next year for base model, efficiency duties. I imagine it will be a big hit, what with the way rego costs work here in the Sunshine State at least, and the government's supposed plan to make all future fleet cars with no more than 4cyl engines (which means no 6cyls). So let's see:
Fiesta- Getting it
Focus- Getting it
Falcon- Getting it
Territory- Oh please for all that is sane don't put a 2.0L model in the Territory, it just won't work.
 
Keef
Save the big-power Ecoboost 4 for an AWD Focus RS. People might easily get stuck on the whole "4 cylinder" idea, turbo or not, so if you're gonna put a rowdy 4 in something you should probably put it in a rowdy car. Think Evo.
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In my mind, I'm thinking of the Buick Regal GS. That'll ship with a 260 BHP Turbo I4, AWD and a six-speed manual. I'd want the Fusion to match that, give or take, based on the tech they're sticking in the Focus ST.
 
YSSMAN
In my mind, I'm thinking of the Buick Regal GS. That'll ship with a 260 BHP Turbo I4, AWD and a six-speed manual. I'd want the Fusion to match that, give or take, based on the tech they're sticking in the Focus ST.
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They could do it, but would it sell? You can get more powerful engines in much more pedestrian sedans in the same class. Unless the Buick is the benchmark why not try to compete with the the leaders instead of GM? A Better car is a better car. Considering Ford already has a powertrain designed specifically for the purpose - the Speed 6 - it doesn't make much sense to put a less powerful engine in the Fusion when the Speed 6's common complaint was a lack of power. Heck, in the short term it makes little to no sense at all to put anything but that drivetrain in it. With AWD the thing will be heavier than an Accord and have a mileage handicap by default, so at least make it more powerful or customers will struggle to see the benefit.
 

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