Ford Mustang VS Chevrolet Camaro

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Ford Mustang VS Chevrolet Camaro

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Onikaze
How is a 5.4 Iron Block lighter than a 4.6 Aluminum or Iron block?
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Because the bore sizes are larger and the 4.6 is a SOHC design. It's the same reason that the Corvette Z06 7.0L OHV LS7 weighs less than the Corvette ZR-1 5.7L QHOC LT5.
JCE3000GT
I actually think the Jaguar 4.2L is a great engine but I can't see it getting much more power vs the 4.6L without boost...isn't this why Jaguar throws on superchargers to get them over 320bhp?
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No. Jag thows superchargers on the R-version cars so they are not peaky in power delivery and are smoother (similar to the XLR-v over the XLR). I think putting the AMJV8 ino the Mustang would be good if they bored it to 5.0 liters (which would be like 350 BHP-400 BHP), but the engine is far too expensive for the Mustang. It would be like putting the Northstar into a Camaro.
 
I don't think a 5.0 stroke job of the Jag V-8 would be wise.

Stang guys love to make their engines bigger, and a new Jag 5.0 would be close to it's limits.
 
Well, it was an idea, no?

Apparently the BOSS 260 (5.4L) V8 down in Australia is making about 350 BHP. Sure, it's down 30 BHP on the BOSS 290, but that said, it should be a bit more economical than the other.

So why not use a truck motor in the Mustang?
 
And the engine in the FPV Falcon GT-P and Mustang SVT Cobra R got a (very, very conservative) dyno rating of 390 BHP.
I still wonder why Ford calls it the 290. 5.4 liters is like 330 cubes. It's no wheres near 290.
 
260 and 290 refer to the output in Kilowatts.
 
Toronado
Because the bore sizes are larger and the 4.6 is a SOHC design. It's the same reason that the Corvette Z06 7.0L OHV LS7 weighs less than the Corvette ZR-1 5.7L QHOC LT5.

No. Jag thows superchargers on the R-version cars so they are not peaky in power delivery and are smoother (similar to the XLR-v over the XLR). I think putting the AMJV8 ino the Mustang would be good if they bored it to 5.0 liters (which would be like 350 BHP-400 BHP), but the engine is far too expensive for the Mustang. It would be like putting the Northstar into a Camaro.
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Uh, the 5.4 is either SOHC or DOHC in every version I've heard, and it isn't simply a matter of larger bore and stroke in the 5.4, it's an entirely different block, and a larger one at that.

A big part of the new GT-500 being nose heavy is the big iron block 5.4 they threw in there.

Boring a AMJV8 out by an additional .8 liters wouldn't be viable, even if it wasn't expensive, the point of a Mustang block is to be cheap and ready to be worked on. That would be like selling a current 4.6, but stroking it out to a 327 beforehand, and taking most of it's potential away.
 
Stang guys do it all the time.

327 is about the edge of what you can get a stock 281 up too.

307's are common, as it's just a crankshaft swap, but you gotta bore out the last 20 cc's, I've seen some up to 330 and a little higher, but you have to get pressed in liners and stuff like the LS7 has, and it's just not really worth it except for bragging rights.

The 5.4 can bore out to something like 390 I think.
 
Onikaze
Uh, the 5.4 is either SOHC or DOHC in every version I've heard, and it isn't simply a matter of larger bore and stroke in the 5.4, it's an entirely different block, and a larger one at that.

A big part of the new GT-500 being nose heavy is the big iron block 5.4 they threw in there.
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Well, than I don't know why it is lighter, but I do know it weighs less than the 4.6. (Maybe it was in it's Ford GT livery that I was thinking about).
 
The Ford GT has a 5.4 Aluminum block and is indeed lighter than a normal 4.6, while being larger in every dimension.

The Aluminum one was considered too expensive to make it into the $40k+ GT500, so there is less than zero chance in hell one would make it into a base/lesser Mustang.
 
Here is something to liven up this chat...

Say that today, you could have either the Mustang or Camaro, but two years ahead of what is comming. Yes, that would be the 2009 Mustang that we know very little about, and the 2009 Camaro that we know only so much about as well.

Hypothetically speaking, lets compare:

2009 Ford Mustang GT350:
5.4L BOSS 290 V8; 390 BHP
6-speed Tremec T-56 manual transmission
All-new SVT-designed IRS suspension
18" Z-Rated ruber

2009 Chevrolet Camaro SS:
6.0L LS2 V8; 400 BHP
6-speed Tremec T-56 manual transmission
IRS suspension, similar to that of VE Monaro
18", 19" offset Z-Rated rubber

...Obviously I'm sticking with the Camaro, given it's better looks, more power, and presumably greater capability around the racetrack.
 
350 Hp 4.6 Liter V-8 (better weight balance, prz) 6 Speed, 18 inch wheels, 3300 lbs or less, and an IRS, GT-350 it is.

The only Camaro that would tempt me from a Mustang is a V-8 with DOD and a Dual Mode Hybrid Transmission.
 
Well, DOD or AFM, or whatever they are calling it these days, is certainly a shoe-in on the next-gen Camaro when it hits the streets. If they end up using the L76 V8 from Australia, that uses DOD technology, as does the Vortec 5300, and it could be easily adapted to the Corvette's LS2 as well.

As for the ECVT automatic from the two-mode hybrid cars, I'm going to have to say that I doubt it, for now. Being that the Camaro is a high-performance coupe, they are more likely to stay au-natural with the transmission part of the equation.
 
Unfortunately they might leave it out.

That would sell me though, between a DOD V-8 and a Two Mode Hybrid, I wouldn't be surprised to see 400 Hp and 35+ Mpg.

Surely they would offer an Impala with the 5.3 and Two Mode though.
 
It will certainly happen on the Impala, I don't have any questions about that. I really wouldn't be surprised to baisically see the Tahoe Hybrid's running gear thrown right beneath the car, but I can't be completely certain...
 
Toronado

I still wonder why Ford calls it the 290. 5.4 liters is like 330 cubes. It's no wheres near 290.
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Australia is a metric country so we would never refer to cubic inch, as YSSMAN said it refers to the engines output in Kilowatts.

Barra 190 = 255Hp
Barra 230 = 308Hp
Boss 260 = 348Hp
Boss 290 = 388Hp
 
Kilowatts and Pferdestärke thow me off quite often, and then there is the American (and English?) SAE standard as well.

I don't know why we can't adopt a world-wide standard, it would make things much easier!
 
Wow its still a tie. I didn't realize this thread was so nuetral between the 2 cars. It's also awsome that this thread is 6 pages long with out and flaming involved.


Onikaze
The only Camaro that would tempt me from a Mustang is a V-8 with DOD and a Dual Mode Hybrid Transmission.
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Pardon the possibly dumb questions, but what is a DOD? What is a Dual Mode Hybrid Transmission?



I would go with a Camaro hands down. I like the the looks of it a lot and just have always loved the Camaro.
 
xXSilencerXx
Pardon the possibly dumb questions, but what is a DOD? What is a Dual Mode Hybrid Transmission?
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Displacement On Demand (DOD), dual mode Hybrid trans is im assuming the GM, BMW (and someone else) joint production of a CVT which also has a electric motor (that doubles as a generator) for a easy Hybrid system.
 
Dual Mode is basically a normal transmission with the electric motors incorporated into it, so you can transfer power mechanically as normal, and get the regenerative braking/acceleration benefits of a Hybrid.

It's much more effective at highway speeds/the areas where normal One Mode hybrids are weak.
 
Onikaze
350 Hp 4.6 Liter V-8 (better weight balance, prz) 6 Speed, 18 inch wheels, 3300 lbs or less, and an IRS, GT-350 it is
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3300lbs? he's a dreamer...


On another note, why does Ford include the supercharger in the listed engine size?
 
LeadSlead#2
3300lbs? he's a dreamer...


On another note, why does Ford include the supercharger in the listed engine size?
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Uh, the stock Mustang GT is 3450 lbs.

I don't think 3300 lbs or less is unreasonable at all.

Especially since they could charge $35k+ for the car and people would snatch them up.
 
xXSilencerXx
Wow its still a tie. I didn't realize this thread was so nuetral between the 2 cars. It's also awsome that this thread is 6 pages long with out and flaming involved.
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The minute a flame happens I expect a moderator to delete the post and lock the topic to preserve it's glory. :sly:

YSSMAN
Well, I was expecting that from you... lol
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*in a French accent* But of course!

YSSMAN
Kilowatts and Pferdestärke thow me off quite often, and then there is the American (and English?) SAE standard as well.

I don't know why we can't adopt a world-wide standard, it would make things much easier!
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I'd vote for PS because it's almost exactly the same as brake horsepower. 1 BHP = 0.9863201652997627 PS according to Wiki...I knew it was 0.986 but didn't know the rest. lol Oh, and it helps that I'm German for the reasoning on me choosing PS. 👍 Oh and don't the Japanese use PS also or do they use kW?
 
I think the Japanese use SAE, no?

I'm not completely sure on anything. It seems that every continent uses something different, but the Americans and the Britons are the only ones who still use Imperial on some things.

Hey, if we move to PS, great. But I'd rather see SAE become the standard myself.
 
JCE3000GT
In the spirit of the VS threads here's another classic rivalry. The Firebird/Trans-Am is not included in this topic nor is any other car. Same rules as the Lamborghini VS Ferrari thread, no saying "neither, give me 'X'". Let's keep it civil here please. I'm not going to post pictures of each generation because I'm too lazy--if you need to know what they looked ike goto www.ebay.com then to eBay motors.

I'm going to vote Ford Mustang mainly for these reasons...
  • Changed the car industry as a whole offering a reliable sporty car for very little money. Still has the single year sales record?
  • Was never killed by Ford like GM killed off the F-body in 2003.
  • Has always had better interior build quality when compared with it's rival.
  • Looked good more of the time over most generations.WHOA! hold on buddy, did you miss the years of the 'Fox body'??? i mean come on! the two door escorts of the same time period looked nearly identical, and that ain't a good thing!
This is a tough choice, and I am a former Camaro owner but the Mustang overall just appeals more to me as a whole. While the Camaro has always had better performance and a better engine--in my opinion the Mustang's styling won out for me in the end.

Discuss.

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Oh and I came up with this idea while hunting for a low mileage 2002-2003 Mustang GT coupe or 1999-2001 SVT Cobra to trade my Focus in for.
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sorry man, Camaro has always been somewhat sporty looking. Unlike those fugly Fox Body 'stangs. but looks dont make the car.

I'm going Camaro. I'm just a Chevy guy and Camaro and Vette lover. And I've always preffered the sound of Chevy V8 to the Ford.
 

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