tsk tsk tsk.
I'm used to the idea of people parroting negative viewpoints.
the funny thing is that you are actually arguing intelligently and cohesively but yet you refuse to respect the opinions and viewpoints of others. and you want your opinion respected by us too???
i have listed some reasons why
i personally don't like the look of the accord; something about lights, taillights, trunk lid, wheels appearing too small on some models, and an overall lack of cohesiveness in my opinion. and you then deride my opinion by saying im parroting the views of others!!!!!
come now. thats akin to losing an argument and countering by saying "well, you're fat, ugly and your mama dresses you funny." strawman i believe is the actual term. now in this case, no-one has lost an argument. we've simply offered different veiwpoints to the one you favor and now you insult us. present your argument, consider ours, adjust and modify your position as
you see necessary and move on. simple.
calling me a parrot is beneath you. and its insulting because you're insinuating that i can only mimic the thoughts of others without formulating thoughts an ideas of my own. and by labelling me such you're also postulating that you have the capacity to decide what i am while i can't recognise what i am. and because you originate your own thoughts, while we cant, by extension you are superior to us/ me. this supercilious attitude is your shortcoming here compadre.
i/ we could easily say you are blindly bowing to the altar of honda and bmw, ignorant that your adoration has been swapped for ****. i havent said anything like that, nor has anyone else , i think.
and before you try to label me as sensitive, im simpy trying to suggest that you keep the argument on track without getting personal. we dont need to go there.
apparently we agree on the passats interior.
So then what difference does handling for autocross make?.....Are you interested in a six-cylinder family sedan? Otherwise there isn't any correlation.
i semi agree with the point you are raising here. how a vehicle handles does not correlate to how it performs on an autocross. the tuning of the suspension is slightly different. perhaps i shouldhave said a road/ race course instead. however, generally speaking, a car that handles well on a race course could have a high likelihood of handling well on the road too, barring roads that are badly maintained as in some major cities.
how it correlates is simple; most people cannot afford to buy more than one or two cars. so having two cars is a relative luxury for the majority of the population. and this is bearing in mind your quip that the new 5 is the best sedan in the
world bar none. I,
as the enthusiast driver, am going to want a vehicle in which i can have fun, and still meet the family/ work requirements entailed by my vehicle. so if i NEED a midsize four door, but also
WANT some fun when the occasion calls for it i would consider the handling of the car. theres the correlation.
that said, we did agree that most people don't auto cross. so for most people how it handles does not matter. i believe i said something to the effect that for everyday street driving, there are no real losers in that entire category, most will suffice with applomb. however, some people will consider a cars handling in our purchases. and i,
as an enthusiast, would count myself in that group. which is why i render
MY opinion, the one you seemingly refuse to entertain. yet you want me to yield to your superior opinon, which would appear to be "the handling doesnt matter."
I've considered price. Obviously. For value, the new 5 is the best sedan in the world.
please explain to me how an item that is unavailabe/ unattainable to 90% of the worlds population is the best for them. surely the one that fits them best is the one thats the best for them? or is my logic/ opinion faulty here again.
im not arguing that its a good car, a great car. im not arguing that its the best in its class. we have no qualms there. im arguing your point that its the best car in the world for all people of all types, income levels (and please consider the variance in international currencies and adjust the prices you are familiar with accordingly,) family population, ease of access to passable roads, etc.
its the best in its class/ price range, not for the farmer in india who would have to have his entire clan slave for 30 years for him to afford a used one. just acknowldge that, or somthing else in that vein, and we have no argument.
now if you were to preface your "best car in the world, period," claim with something like "cost notwithstanding," again, we would'nt have this argument. though i might counter with analogy involving a family of five whose average height is 6'5.
loaded altimas, accords and 6's all are at about the 30000 mark. so is a loaded GTP, by your very own figures. and the GTP only comes loaded if my memory serves. its not a stripper model with the largest engine like the muscle cars of yore.
im not going to argue about its size. something i have already acknowledged.
however, when you compare displacement i notice you pick on the vehicles with the smallest displacement that are in the size requirements you keep talking about. the altima is 3.5 liters. the forthcoming galant will be 3.8 liters. the dodge (also larger) is 3.5 liters. kia has a 3.5, as does hyundai (although both might cost significantly less.!) should they be discounted because they dont fit in one particular parameter?
they're facelifting it to shut people up.
i could swear you said somewhere that BMW didnt care about my opinion. by that statement, it would appear that they do. or am i still considered a parrot.
i have been in an aztek it is highly practical. you keep your opinon on the taurus and respect mine, and i will do the same for you. yes the BMW is ahead in handling blah blah blah, but its still ugly
i have never judged a vehicle solely on its looks. i have commented on their appearance without discounting thier worth or ability. read some of my comments on the taurus. highly functional was the wording i might have used. i would go back and look but im not going to defend your putting words in my mouth/ ascribing judgement, for you.
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