FordGT.... Also Question about G25..

[graveltrap]

A passage taken from a group test by Evo Magazine...

If there is a fly in the Ford's ointment it's the brakes, or rather how the car behaves under heavy braking. It moves around a lot, hunting the cambers and surface imperfections to such a degree that you have to grip the steering wheel tight and counter-steer against the writhing. It gets worse the harder you brake, and on a bumpy road with a pronounced crown you really have to concentrate on keeping the car on the straight and narrow. One false move under pressure and you could easily catch a wheel on the kerb or verge.

It's a big shame, because in terms of feel and stopping power the brakes are first rate. Often with American cars you don't get a great deal of progression or tactility, but the GT's stoppers have a very European feel, with genuinely honed responses and linearity.

John's right about the GT losing out on the exit of corners, both to the total-traction Lambo and the banshee Stradale. All that grunt's got to go somewhere, and if the super-sticky 315/40 Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tyres can't transmit it into the tarmac the surplus is more than sufficient to unsettle the GT. Through tight corners, after an initial warning shot of understeer this inevitably leads to oversteer. And if you're bold on the throttle and slow on the corrective lock it can get very big very quickly indeed, requiring a good quarter-turn more lock than if you'd been more prompt.

Through faster corners the chassis feels more settled, again with a smidge of controlling understeer, but you still can't nail the throttle with the same degree of unflinching conviction as in the all-wheel-drive Gallardo and the relatively torqueless Stradale.

Full Story http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/49290/ford_gt_v_360_stradale_v_gallardo.html

Have to say that the car in the game has similar handling characteristics to those described here!

I like this point alot.

. The problem is that even the tiniest touch of the gas pedal gets you about 1/2 throttle, and the car immediately slips the rear out further, rather than tucking it back in as it should. The problem may simply be that our pedals are too sensitive, so we can't get smooth acceleration.

I'll have to watch my replays back with the hud on to double check this!!

[edit]I'd love to be able to tweak the setup but this is not possible in time attack.[/edit]

 

[Who Dat Ninja?]

I really hated the Ford GT at first... but I have gotten the hang of it and it's great fun to drive. I've been hot lapping Suzuka East like crazy to get a handle on it... it's good. And I am not an expert in this or anything.

I am using a G25 too btw.

 

[realisticperson]

I use left foot braking to stabilize the car on the corners.
Small dabs of brake should stabilize it.
Also, never lift off the throttle completely.

 

[SRT-4]

I drove it today for the first time under professional and I wanted to kill myself.

I'll try again tomorrow and see how it feels..I did NOT LIKE at all how it drove.

I love how the elise feels, so I don't understand why it feels so floaty in the ass.

 

[Maintol]

The Ford GT is an extremely technically challenging car to drive with no assists. However, it is also one hell of a fun car. It's really just a matter of knowing how to correct the car, and of improving your driving. So the car oversteers when you let off of the gas? Don't let off so fast, or correct it with your steering wheel while you release the gas. Just remember the car WILL behave that way, and adapt yourself.

If you are using the G25, that also means you are going to have to be doubly sure to rev match. I find myself getting lazy about it with some of the AWD cars that you can dump from 3rd to 2nd gear without batting an eye. Then I get into the GT and am usually reminded of this in the first turn.

The GT may be a death trap to the un-initiated, but it's one of the most fun cars to drive once you get the hang of it.

 

[Earth]

OK here are some tips from someone who drives nothing but the Ford GT with no AIDS except for TCS at 1 and ABS at 1

The Ford GT is probably the fastest car in the game, knowing this the developers probably decided to make it more difficult to drive to decrease it's speed. Alot of you GT drivers may have noticed that at times it can appear you are going slow but you are flying

To correct the enormous oversteer that keeps you from staying on the throttle in high speed bends simply change the Toe to:

Front: +0.05
Rear: -0.05

This works on both the test car and normal GT.

For slower/tighter corners lifting off the gas and in alot of instances giving it gas will increase your cornering speed

For faster/longer corners it is not safe to lift off the gas a great deal, or at all. The safest thing to do if you are getting understeer in a long fast corner is to tape the brakes while staying on the gas. For example Suzuka. After the hairpin midway through the track there is this long right-hand bend. If you are right on a car's bumper through this corner and are about to hit him simply lifting off the gas can cause disasterous oversteer. It's best to just stay on the throttle and tap the brakes. That will not upset the car

In the end I feel the Ford GT was intentionaly made to be tough to handle in the game because of its blistering speed. However follow my tips and you shouldn't have too much problems driving it

 

[Dazzla]

Earth, try putting your TCS to 2, I use that for most of my races and find that to be perfect for me. But no doubt AWD is easier to drive then RWD so I give you props.

 

[Earth]

Earth, try putting your TCS to 2, I use that for most of my races and find that to be perfect for me. But no doubt AWD is easier to drive then RWD so I give you props.

That's probably a good idea, TCS at 1 is a habit I carried over from GT4. You couldn't wheel spin any car coming out of any corner with TCS at 1 in GT4, but things are very different in GT5P.

 

[deadlyz33]

TCS 0 all the time.

 

[m00ndancer]

TCS 0 all the time.

Same here, but I'm always on abs=1 even on R3 tires. I feel that the tire modelling is lacking a lot of grip compared to the PC sims I usually race. (rFactor, GTR2, LFS). Don't know if it's a wrong sense of speed or just that I'm not used to the flimsy DFP pedals. (Use a BRD Speed 7 kit on my PC)

 

[premhz]

It`s easy enough to drive with ABS & TCS set at 1 each,it`ll slide a bit you can catch it. But impossible with them off...i think evryone who`s comented on it`s handling has turned the aids off completely.

 

[graveltrap]

Someones going to say it so it might as well be me! The Ford GT has no traction control!

It's not like I don't know how to use it, but I still think that something isn't quite right, especially when you use the standard version in time attack, you can't set it up and you can't change the tyres! As I spend more time hot lapping than racing that is the beast that I get to use...

Should you really have to tune what is rated to be one of the greatest cars that has seen production to make it drive able?

 

[Famine]

Someones going to say it so it might as well be me! The Ford GT has no traction control!

It's not like I don't know how to use it, but I still think that something isn't quite right, especially when you use the standard version in time attack, you can't set it up and you can't change the tyres! As I spend more time hot lapping than racing that is the beast that I get to use...

Should you really have to tune what is rated to be one of the greatest cars that has seen production to make it drive able?

Find someone who's willing to let you drive theirs. Take it to a track and drive it fast.

When the car has been recovered from the infield, let us know how realistic the handling model is in GT5P.

 

[Maintol]

I really don't think there is anything wrong with the GT. It just takes practice you learn to drive it. I drive it on Pro with tcs set to 0 and I do just fine, because I learned to feather the gas on the car. The car is a torque monster. Just watching the Top Gear clip gives you a pretty good idea of how slick the back end on it is.

 

[RedBaron]

Ford GT is the beast and there are races I can't choose other car because of it's winning power. Yes, its rear is very happy, but once you learn using brake and throttle at the same time to stabilise it, it's just marvelous. You with the controller will have worse times, because it wants to go to certain ammount of gas immediately after braking. Many people hated RUF CTR Yellowbird on the Nordschleife in GT4 with N2 tyres, but I used to love it to the last bit. This is the same situation. Just don't cry and learn to rule that biting animal!

 

[PlusP357]

I love the Ford GT. It was my main money maker in the amature online races before I moved into the P-series. You absolutely have to finesse it. NEVER brake while turning. ALWAYS brake in a straight line and then, and only then, can you "turn in". Also, NEVER smash on the gas in a tight turn in the GT. Instead, feather the throttle in the "twistys". That's why you have analogue controls/pedals. The GT has a lot of RWD HP and driving it past its limits will send you off your line and cost you precious seconds. (These little tips actually apply to all cars, but especially in the upper-end HP RWD's.)
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I was very disappointed in the Ford GT in GT4. It handled like total garbage "out of the box". I spent hours tinkering with setups and had no luck. (Coming from a PC sim racing background, I feel like I make some pretty decent setups that match my driving style.) One day that I ran across an outstanding setup in some forums somewhere and I tried a "set" that was out of this world. I am going to hook up my PS2 this weekend, copy it down, and try it out on the GT in GT5 and see if it works the same. That setup made the GT hook so good in the turns that you could almost hit them full throttle. (Well, at least at much higher speeds than before.) I was amazed at how well the car handled, because looking at the numbers, I wasn't really convinced it would work...but it did. That setup did justice to a car that deserved to handle well in the game. The car was on the cover for crying out loud!!!

I take no credit for the set, as someone else put their hard work into it. However, I will try that GT4 "set" out this weekend, and if it works, I will post it up in the forums. However, if the GT4 setup does work in GT5, many of you will look at the GT in a whole new way.

 

[graveltrap]

Find someone who's willing to let you drive theirs. Take it to a track and drive it fast.

When the car has been recovered from the infield, let us know how realistic the handling model is in GT5P.

Good point, I as most if not all people in this thread haven't had the chance to drive the car for real, my opinions are formed from reading reviews and watching videos (and playing other so called driving simulations). From that information the car doesn't look to be anywhere near as nasty. Of course it packs 550BHP so it's going to bite...But at every corner even with little to no throttle?

It would be interesting to see what someone that had driven the car had to say about the handling of the car in GT5 (unlikely to ever happen)!

I am taking the time to learn how to control the car in GT5, and enjoying the challenge. I've somehow managed to set some decent times with it at Fuji and Eiger...But I don''t have the level of control over the thing that I do say with an F430.

 

[Famine]

Good point, I as most if not all people in this thread haven't had the chance to drive the car for real, my opinions are formed from reading reviews and watching videos (and playing other so called driving simulations). From that information the car doesn't look to be anywhere near as nasty. Of course it packs 550BHP so it's going to bite...But at every corner even with little to no throttle?

I can't see any reason why it wouldn't bite. Mid-engined cars have a much higher turning moment (both when required and when not required) and there's no 4WD to provide a little understeer by way of counteracting it. There's a lot of low down torque thanks to the supercharger, so even a little throttle input results in a lot of grrr.

I can't think of a reason why a 500hp+ supercar would be anything less than a handful on the track. The road is a completely different environment.

It would be interesting to see what someone that had driven the car had to say about the handling of the car in GT5 (unlikely to ever happen)!

Kazunori Yamauchi has one...

 

[GTP_JASE72]

Kazunori Yamauchi has one...

I thought he had two ?.

Either way the car demands respect and up most concentration to keep it in a straight line.

 

[Famine]

I thought he had two ?

He may well do - but in order to have two he must have one

I don't know how many he has. But he's certainly well-placed to know how the real thing handles and how the GT5P one stacks up... Unlike almost everyone else.

 

[MasterDriver]

OK here are some tips from someone who drives nothing but the Ford GT with no AIDS except for TCS at 1 and ABS at 1

The Ford GT is probably the fastest car in the game, knowing this the developers probably decided to make it more difficult to drive to decrease it's speed. Alot of you GT drivers may have noticed that at times it can appear you are going slow but you are flying

To correct the enormous oversteer that keeps you from staying on the throttle in high speed bends simply change the Toe to:

Front: +0.05
Rear: -0.05

This works on both the test car and normal GT.

For slower/tighter corners lifting off the gas and in alot of instances giving it gas will increase your cornering speed

For faster/longer corners it is not safe to lift off the gas a great deal, or at all. The safest thing to do if you are getting understeer in a long fast corner is to tape the brakes while staying on the gas. For example Suzuka. After the hairpin midway through the track there is this long right-hand bend. If you are right on a car's bumper through this corner and are about to hit him simply lifting off the gas can cause disasterous oversteer. It's best to just stay on the throttle and tap the brakes. That will not upset the car

In the end I feel the Ford GT was intentionaly made to be tough to handle in the game because of its blistering speed. However follow my tips and you shouldn't have too much problems driving it

I'll start using Left footed Braking to Counter teh disasterous Lift-Off in mid/high speed corners.

I have finished mastering it in low speed, using careful throttle modulation and making sure i'm in the correct gear, while rev-matching. But those mid-high speed corners are crazy. Left foot corrective braking seems like it would work..

But would you have to do this in real life? hmmm.

 

[panjandrum]

I spent some more time in the Ford GT / GT5P last night, after going back and testing the same car (stock Ford GT) in GT4. I have to say that overall the handling is similar between the two. However, in GT4 there is much less tendency to get wheel-spin, and that is where we are all having problems.

I'm convinced the major problem here is throttle control. Not OUR problem, but a problem with limitations of the controllers we are using. On my G25 and on my DFP, the first 1/4 of pedal travel = 1/2 throttle. From there on it is smooth, but in the case of the GT we need that first 1/2 of the throttle to be much less abrupt. Therefore it is very hard not to get a tire spinning. I don't like doing this, but using a TCS = 1 settles the car dramatically. I'm going to keep trying to drive without TCS, but in the end if we have to use TCS on this car, not because of our skill, but simply because of limitations in pedal design, I don't think we should consider that a failure on our part.

Now, let's talk about why this beast is ripping of the tires that easily... I just don't buy it, not with all that engine weight back there, and especially not considering that I'm getting more tire-spin out of this baby than I am out of some of the powerful FRs in the game. Something just isn't quite right somewhere. Close, but a little off I would think.

 

[panjandrum]

I'll start using Left footed Braking to Counter teh disasterous Lift-Off in mid/high speed corners.

I have finished mastering it in low speed, using careful throttle modulation and making sure i'm in the correct gear, while rev-matching. But those mid-high speed corners are crazy. Left foot corrective braking seems like it would work..

But would you have to do this in real life? hmmm.

I use left-foot braking during turning in Autocross when I'm driving my Toyota. It understeers like a pig (FF car) otherwise and has traction control and stability management which can't be turned off. (I only drive the Toyota in Autocross if the Bug is out of commission).

I can cut many seconds off a lap using the method you describe. It is, however, pretty hard on the front brakes :-)

At any rate, I think it is a perfectly acceptable method for some cars. Certainly it is popular in Autocross.

 

[Div is back]

I just tried the car on Fuji, best I could manage was 1.52.410
PRO - no AIDS - ABS at 1

In the S sections I never was more than 50% on the throttle.

 

[neilX]

I really don't think there is anything wrong with the GT. It just takes practice you learn to drive it. I drive it on Pro with tcs set to 0 and I do just fine, because I learned to feather the gas on the car. The car is a torque monster.

I really don't think there is anything wrong with the GT. It just takes lots of practice to learn to drive it. I drive it on Pro with TCS set to 0 and I do just fine very poorly, because I haven't learned to feather the gas gently enough on the car. The car is a torque monster.​

I'm using the sixaxis. I'm going to get a G25. Or maybe the DFGT. Either one will be a big step up for fun and involvement and hopefully make it easier for me to use gentle inputs. Hopefully

 

[haps3000]

The car has no rear downforce but even then it still handles like an oil slick skating on an ice rink. My mini-rule for mid-engine cars is: only use the throttle and brake when you're going in a completely straight line. Anything else and you'll have reached the end of your tiny, tiny friction circle...

 

[Div is back]

This car is blistering fast and fun to drive once you get used to it. With proper technique I just cut off 2 seconds of my quickest time on Fuji and that's after 20 minutes of usage, great car, just needs to be taken care of properly.

 

[neilX]

My mini-rule for mid-engine cars is: only use the throttle and brake when you're going in a completely straight line. Anything else and you'll have reached the end of your tiny, tiny friction circle...

Yes, I try to get my braking done in advance of the turn in, but what then? Rather than coast around, I'd try to use some very gentle throttle just to maintain the speed, but I'm never gentle enough and am often way past the exit and still swinging wildly from side to side and I'm lucky if I don't spin off completely. Or, if I'm a little too fast, I'd lift off gently, but end up veering inwards sharply.
I was practicing with it yesterday and was getting a little steadier, but definitely far from gentle enough with the throttle inputs.

 

[unit-one]

Hello everybody! Im new here, but I was checking this forum since GT5 was annownced.
May I suggest driving this car with different tyre compounds?
In the GT manual it is said, that Ford GT handles most reallisticaly on N3 or S1 tyres...soo if a car has extreme oversteer - put the most grippiest tyres on the rear wheels. With N3 on the front and S1 on the rear it is very stable even on professional, then again, the cornering ability is reduse, but with a little suspension tweaking .... well you know xD
It handles quite well with S3 or R1 tyres on the front, and R3 on the rear.
A little experiment with these manipulations and you will have a greatly improoved sports car!

(P.S. My English could be not so perfect, because Its not my main language...PEACE!)

 

[panjandrum]

Hello everybody! Im new here, but I was checking this forum since GT5 was annownced.
May I suggest driving this car with different tyre compounds?
In the GT manual it is said, that Ford GT handles most reallisticaly on N3 or S1 tyres...soo if a car has extreme oversteer - put the most grippiest tyres on the rear wheels. With N3 on the front and S1 on the rear it is very stable even on professional, then again, the cornering ability is reduse, but with a little suspension tweaking .... well you know xD
It handles quite well with S3 or R1 tyres on the front, and R3 on the rear.
A little experiment with these manipulations and you will have a greatly improoved sports car!

(P.S. My English could be not so perfect, because Its not my main language...PEACE!)

It should be noted that in GT4 this car had extreme snap oversteer if you put too soft a tire on it. I usually run R1s or S3s and the handling was much more predictable that way.