Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2011

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Wow 2 days ,Finals,No Sleep the 24 and Now this I am so Tired but thrilled by an astonishing Race.Vettel in my Opinion Slacked the lead (typical of him)but the mistake at the last lap (not typical of him)Take Nothing away from Jenson .Brilliant Drive.

Shumi was astonishing I would really loved it if he had stood on the Podium (Must have been the wise words from Ken :lol:)

All in all a classic Racing weekend to remmember.Now to sleep
 
Belgian tv cancelled the F1 broadcast to switch to a batch of CSI episodes, thank God for BBC, who was kind enough to continue in BBC HD :D

I always watch BBC but found it funny that they've missed the race of the year.
 
GTPorsche
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLGqedydP74

Schumacher was catching up to a lap down Coulthard and just happened to not make the move fast enough to clear Coulthard's car.
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Hm. I'm going to go ahead and call Michael strange for thinking David was to blame for that. I don't think he could have make any quick moves either as even I couldn't see where he (Michael) was in all of that streaming water, I imagine visibility was two times worse for him. A misguided accident if nothing else.

Sorry for the off-topicness. Back to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Yes because the same stewart that penalized him was so good with overtaking at Lemans and pulled off a move that was quite dangerous and risked many spectators lives. You sound alot like the stewarts yesterday that think the LMP1 cars have the right away, but the truth is when you're a GT you have blinding snow of light in your mirrors, with a 20 second faster car closing in on you, you do what you can to get out of the way. Just like the 24h Hamilton is expecting some more give and take, just like the GTE cars should have been given. I agree he was hasty last week, but this week it was conditions that got the better of him. You people call the same daring moves that stick brilliant but when they go the opposite way they're stupid, this paradox or double standard is asinine.
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I'm not defending McNish. As a matter of fact, if you read my post, I said that it's up to the attacking driver to make sure the pass is safe. I have been very critical of Hamilton, and I can openly say that McNish's crash at Le Mans was his own fault, so don't dump me into that category. I'm not like that and you have absolutely zero evidence to suggest that.
 
F1 fan
I'm not defending McNish. As a matter of fact, if you read my post, I said that it's up to the attacking driver to make sure the pass is safe. I have been very critical of Hamilton, and I can openly say that McNish's crash at Le Mans was his own fault, so don't dump me into that category. I'm not like that and you have absolutely zero evidence to suggest that.
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My point is McNish handed out that penalty and pulled a stupid move and yet is mad at GTE cars for it, yet he judged Hamilton the same way and was clearly at fault I have said that Hamilton was eager last week and that is what got him in trouble as well as comments. However, you seem to be on some kind of act against him, it's clear you dont like him. Okay that's fine, but to go from Monaco and act like it's a repeat is stupid. He accidently hit webber and the conditions were horrible so the car slipped and he lost it. Race accident no ones fault. JB and him, he saw an openning and attacked JB closed up the line didn't see Lewis and a race accident happened again no ones fault just racing. See racing is full of risk and dangers, Lewis is not out to kill someone and if you're so sure he is then for cheap argument sake maybe you should take his spot next year or maybe Silverstone this year. There were many race accidents that occured today due to the conditions. Yet I guess Lewis was the only one out to kill right, and more so his mate Button and the man that gave him room Webber?
 
Wow! What a race! :D

One of the very best within the last years. I'm not really a fan of Schummy but I must admit I was cheering for him. If he only had at least Webber he could be at the podium.

Not to mention Button devil'ish pace, Kobayashi's eagerness and Massa's last inch overtake, awesome.

As for Hamilton, I shall only say that he should really ditch his current manager and go back to his father, I guess someone is clearly overinterpretating the manager's motivational speeches.
 
Terronium-12
I don't know...the way I'm reading it it does sound like Coulthard's fault. Of course I didn't see the race (unfortunately) so fill me in a bit.
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The accident was a result of the conditions really, it was an awful weather set that would have been run entirely under the SC if it happened nowadays.

Coulthard caused (by accident) an immense smash that took out over half the field and joined the restart in the T-Car which was set up for Hakkinen. Coulthard struggled throughout the race and when Schumacher was lapping him on the approach to Bus Stop there was a collision between their cars.

Coulthard was way off line and Schumacher was experienced enough to know that spray=car. Schumacher was incautious and was more at fault than Coulthard. That didn't stop Schumacher's famous "Are you trying to f...ing kill me?" visit to the McLaren garage.

The other reason the race is famous is, of course, Jordan GP's first win; Damon Hill came in 1st with Ralf Schumacher in 2nd. That caused a lot of fallout between the Schumacher Brothers and Eddie Jordan because EJ gave a team order to 'hold station' rather than risk a collision between his drivers on the treacherous track. Awesome race... it probably couldn't happen nowadays.

That brings us neatly to today's race... and what a cracker! Good to see Button confirmed as the winner, I feel sorry for Vettel but he was giving it his all and you can't ask for much more than that.

EDIT: Knew I had one somewhere;

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Stewards actually give detailed explanations for their decisions:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/06/13/button-escapes-penalties-hamilton-alonso-crashes/

1) Exiting Turn 13 there was a legitimate overtaking opportunity for Lewis Hamilton as his speed was greater than Jensen Button’s.

2) Both drivers took lines substantially similar to many of the other drivers, and did not move as far to the left as the preceding driver, Michael Schumacher. At the moment afte Hamilton moved to the left to pass, Button looked into his mirror. It appears from the position of Hamilton at that moment [and is confirmed by the drivers] that Button was unlikely to have seen Hamilton.

3) At the point of contact Button had not yet moved as far to the left of the track as he had on the previous lap, or that Schumacher had on that lap.

The Stewards have concluded that it was reasonable for Hamilton to believe that Button would have seen him and that he could have made the passing manoeuvre. Further, the Stewards have concluded that it is reasonable to believe that Button was not aware of Hamilton’s position to his left. Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a “racing incident” and have taken no further action.
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Car 5 [Alonso] was on an out lap having pitted. Car 4 [Button] appeared to be firmly established on the inside line prior to the entry of the corner and drove onto the kerb to avoid Car 5 on the outside.

In view of the conditions and the statements by both drivers and their team representatives, the Stewards decide that this was a “racing incident” and have taken no further action.
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Meanwhile, Karthikeyan given a penalty:

http://en.espnf1.com/canada/motorsport/story/51515.html
 
Lots of hating on Kobayashi in the official post-race driver quotes. Heidfeld and both Williams drivers said he caused them problems. Seemed like there were a couple others too. Slow and unpredictable seems like the main undercurrent. No love by Massa for Karthekayen (sp) either -- who apparently was the backmarker who forced Felipe off line. (The SPEED idiots thought it was a Virgin.) Alonso, on the other hand, took the high road and didn't say anything about Button. He chalked the whole day up to bad luck. Smart move, that.
 
zippy_the_cat
Lots of hating on Kobayashi in the official post-race driver quotes. Heidfeld and both Williams drivers said he caused them problems.
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Ahaha Heidfeld wasn't paying attention, Kobayashi couldn't of driven that corner any faster simply because they don't use blown diffusers. Heidfeld should of known that and backed off earlier then tried to get a run on him using the extra speed. Excellent parking from Heidfeld though :lol: He only just slid it between those barriers.
 
Woke up this morning. Found out that a McLaren had won the race after bundling off his team-mate... Thought: "typical Hamilton". Then I found out it was Button. Who overtook Vettel on the last lap.

Disappointment for Ferrari, as they only finished 6th. Thought: "poor Alonso". Oh, wait... that's Massa. Alonso went out after colliding with Button. Wait... what?

Was this race as weird and wild as it sounds? Should I buy the DVD?
 
niky
Woke up this morning. Found out that a McLaren had won the race after bundling off his team-mate... Thought: "typical Hamilton". Then I found out it was Button. Who overtook Vettel on the last lap.

Disappointment for Ferrari, as they only finished 6th. Thought: "poor Alonso". Oh, wait... that's Massa. Alonso went out after colliding with Button. Wait... what?

Was this race as weird and wild as it sounds? Should I buy the DVD?
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Yep. Get the edited version without the 2-hour rain delay.
 
Pfft. I say watch it properly or not at all. :lol:

Of course I'm joking just a little...but I'd like the delay to be included.
 
Due to an emergency I could not see the live transmission,only until the bit when the raced re-started and Alonso got stuck in the rumble strip( :lol: )

And as a Button fan I cannot be more pleased by the outcome of the race,I was expecting Vettel to win and Kobayashi to arrive in second,But I never expected such thing as Button wining.(I also got this weird feeling of being the only Button fan,I just like how the guy manages control of the whole race,keeping tyres and using strategy)

In my opinion I consider Hamilton crash on Button all Button's fault,the reason for this is the closing that Button executed against Hamilton which was incorrect a very likely illegal,a similar situation occur last year with MSC and Barrichelo,I don't remember really well which race was it but I do remember the manouver which is similar to the one that happened today,and I don't remember the outcome of that(currently checking that out),what I do known is today's race situation,which was irregular(the longest GP,or that's what crappy Cable TV commentator says)and dangerous.
 
Only got to see the last 22 laps, highlights on in half an hour. From what I saw it was a cracking race. I never gotten on the edge of my seat like that in many years. I actually thought Vettel would hold off Button. Seeing a mistake from him was surprising, but what a win for Button. :D

Any word on penalties yet?
 
Even though the rain kind of threw a curve ball to the race and we saw the safety car a lot (was it me or was that SLS hawling ass?! :P ) I thought it ended well. It came down to the last lap and a slip up when no one expected it resulted in Button being the winner.

Overall pretty awesome weekend in motorsports. 24LeMans and a rainy MontrealGP
 
Was watching a bit of Dave Despain, and I should have called in and asked Varsha about DRS.

My take on it is this: It's completely useless in practice, yes, if you're within one second of the guy in front of you then you can use it to your heart's desire. If you're farther away from the guy in front you can't use it, not even to defend your position...but the guy in back of you can. It's a black box of sorts; has all the answers that you could possibly want but it can only be utilized under specified circumstances and even then there's no real guarantee it's going to work because the guy in front can possibly offset it with KERS. If anything, the roles should be reversed the way I see it. KERS should be limited the way DRS is now, and DRS should be open to use whenever, wherever.

I liked the idea when it was introduced, but after seeing the immense disadvantage it could impose on a driver today I have to say either be a bit more lenient with it's track usage or just throw it out.
 
Darn rain, i set my computer to record the race since it started at 3am here in australian and i missed it due to the red flag.
 
How was this for luck. Saw the laps before the red flag. Dozed off during the red flag. Left the tv on in the mean time. Just woke up and they were showing the replay of the race just as the red flag period finished.

Bad results for me but fascinating how things played out. Can't believe Button won the race.
 
Just watched a delayed version of the race, and I know there are a lot of 'omg lol that was a great race lol' people, but that was a putrid advert for F1 to the neutral N/A observer tuning in the for the first time:

1) Safety Car start? Are they the world's best drivers or sunday amateurs? Go watch Motogp at Silverstone to see how you should earn your keep.

2) Two 1-time world champions getting together (team mates on top of it), followed by a double WC getting together with a 1-time WC. I was waiting for the 'dada-tish'.

3) Endless nurfs (under safety cars?!), bumps, lost wings, cut chicanes...I can see how a new watcher might wonder what all the fuss is about.

4) Fat stewards falling (repeatedly) on track, in front of advancing racecars?! You are kidding me.


Looking past all that though, nice to see SV crack under the meerest hint of pressure. Without everybody else taking each other out handing him the title on a silver platter with personally signed bows on it, it would have been oh so different.

Do ferrari have a strategist, or do they just throw darts at a list of options? Alonso must be wonder what he signed up for. I thought by changing personal they'd get rid of 'pit for inters, pit for wets 2 laps later' scenarios.

As for the 'racing incidents':

LH vs MW: Whatever happened to 'you dont win the race in the first corner' Lewis?. Amateur evening again. Felt sorry for MW, he only gets misfortune.

JB vs FA: 50/50. Alonso left him room, JB understeered a touch due to the greasy track. Another year over for FA and the title race.

JB vs LH: I actually thought JB was lucky to get away with this. LH has a great run on him and just got squeezed off. Could have been nasty if wheels got interlocked.
 
This race is just setting up massive disappointment to new North American fans when they tune into Valencia next. They couldn't have scheduled the season any worse in this regard.
 
Mike Rotch
Looking past all that though, nice to see SV crack under the meerest hint of pressure.
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I don't think he "cracked". Was just a stupid mistake. I don't think it was down to pressure. Could have happened at any time. Five wins and two second places out of seven races is not bad form anyway. Mistake or not, his consistency is to be admired.

Grayfox
Well i think karma got Lewis back.
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If Hamilton had of completed the race at the rate he was going he would have made contact with 20 cars :p

Obviously Im being an idiot, Mike everything you said was pretty much spot on to me apart from JB vs LH, I hate on LH as much as the next guy for his poor driving lately and this was to me another example of it, he should of realised how poor the visibility is out of these cars and that is the racing line he had that much better a run out of the last corner that he could have very easily gone past Button on the other side. Yes it was a racing incident but I dont think Button should really have taken as much blame as he did.
 
F1 fan
I don't think he "cracked". Was just a stupid mistake. I don't think it was down to pressure. Could have happened at any time. Five wins and two second places out of seven races is not bad form anyway. Mistake or not, his consistency is to be admired.
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Please, it was Seb cracking under pressure. He just wanted to coast to the line and when he got the message "Button is catching you" he wanted to put some swift hot laps in (you could see that JB was around 2 secs quicker on every lap until he was behind Seb where they were about even.. until DRS of course.......)

JB was closing at an extreme rate and Vettel made a little mistake as he was pushing hard and Button capitalised.

Just get this straight, I'm not a Seb hater, I quite like him but today was the first time this season he 'cracked'. In China, his tyres were shot, in Spain, he held on, in Monaco, he held on (if not for that rule where you can change tyres Alonso would've 'gotten through or taken him out')... and in Canada, he cracked.
 
A very interesting race with so many incidents. Too much to talk about and I was very sleepy when watching the race. Even slept during the rain!

For the first time this year, a dissapointment for both Team Lotuses cars with Jarno had a driveshaft failure and something else for Jarno despite managed to catch up to not be far ahead from the Virgins and HRTs... Hamilton was being a bit too aggresive, perhaps Button didn't saw he was there. Alonso's case was a racing incident in my opinion. At that corner, either one of them needs to back off or a bang will happen. They were both eager to get that position, thus that happened.

Schumacher almost made it to the podium. Kobayashi at one point I thought could be on the podium if not because of the track drying out quickly. Towards the end, I wouldn't say Vettel 'cracked' on that situation, he just went too far on the right and slip himself running on a painted line and accelerate a little too early, hence slide...

I really need to watch this race again, so much entertainment throughout the morning! Even woke up late for school.
 
Interesting race for sure, but I'm having mixed feelings with all the safety car laps and what not. It feels like Schumacher got robbed of a podium by DRS. But I'm really happy about Button beating Vettel.
 
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