Same, especially considering where Max went off. That could've easily turned into a nasty situation if another car lost its rear in the same fashion as Max.I'm surprised it wasn't a red flag.
Yes! That's what it seems to be, good findMotoGP uses the painted line, as can clearly be seen here from last years race:
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Leaving it as a single yellow with only 4 cars to cross the line seemed to be the plan. In the end, the car was so far off the line it technically wasn't a danger to any driver who obeyed the yellow flags. It wasn't exactly parked broadside on the racing line. This is what yellow flags are for, to tell drivers where to slow down and let them carry on racing.I'm surprised it wasn't a red flag.
Why should anyone crash in the same spot, there was a yellow flag out? It was yellow before any other car went off and the crash was clearly driver error rather than something on the track surface, so any further crashes would be entirely on the driver. The entire point of a yellow flag is "don't crash here", so nobody understands any circumstances should find themselves hitting the Red Bull in the tyres far away from the track lines.Same, especially considering where Max went off. That could've easily turned into a nasty situation if another car lost its rear in the same fashion as Max.
It's more of a concern that Turn 9 at Red Bull Ring is a very high-speed, downhill corner, and that you have other drivers on track squeezing quite literally everything out of their cars to steal whatever lap time they can at that moment. If one of the other drivers had a similar off for similar reasons, which is not outside of the realm of possibility, then you have another car careening out of control in the same general area of Max and his car, which can create a nasty situation real quick.Why should anyone crash in the same spot, there was a yellow flag out? It was yellow before any other car went off and the crash was clearly driver error rather than something on the track surface, so any further crashes would be entirely on the driver. The entire point of a yellow flag is "don't crash here", so nobody understands any circumstances should find themselves hitting the Red Bull in the tyres far away from the track lines.
Why would anyone have the same crash under a yellow flag? That is the entire point of a yellow flag. If it's a fast or a blind corner, then why go through there fast? Drivers have to take responsibility for their actions as well you know.It's more of a concern that Turn 9 at Red Bull Ring is a very high-speed, downhill corner, and that you have other drivers on track squeezing quite literally everything out of their cars to steal whatever lap time they can at that moment. If one of the other drivers had a similar off for similar reasons, which is not outside of the realm of possibility, then you have another car careening out of control in the same general area of Max and his car, which can create a nasty situation real quick.
Because of that, I was surprised a Red Flag, or at the very least a consistent double-yellow, wasn't called.
Because it was a single yellow, which only requires a relatively small reduction in speed to be within the rules. That means that drivers can and will attempt to take advantage and try to carry as much speed as they can through the affected section (as we saw George do today), which can still create a dangerous situation if someone has an off in a high-speed corner like Turn 9, with there already being a car off the track. A double-yellow takes that possibility off the table.Why would anyone have the same crash under a yellow flag?
Looking at the documents, the deleted lap "times" were all the inlaps after the session had already finished. Not sure why it was necessary to delete anything there.Soo, apparently the stewards deleted the lap time for George, but they also ruled no further action for the double-yellow infringement, so at the moment, it's looking like George Russell is keeping his pole position.
It seems like it's going to come down to is what the actual lap data says for George vs. the timing of the stewards waving the double yellow. This is...a bit of a mess, to say the least.![]()
Yeah, that was an odd one, for sure. Definitely feels like FIA wasn't all there today.Looking at the documents, the deleted lap "times" were all the inlaps after the session had already finished. Not sure why it was necessary to delete anything there.
Do you even understand what a Yellow Flag means? There are different levels to show off the danger of the incident to the next drivers coming into the zone, which I explained above. Regardless of single or double, both mean don't crash. The time within a session matters not to the level of flag to be shown locally.Because it was a single yellow, which only requires a relatively small reduction in speed to be within the rules. That means that drivers can and will attempt to take advantage and try to carry as much speed as they can through the affected section (as we saw George do today), which can still create a dangerous situation if someone has an off in a high-speed corner like Turn 9, with there already being a car off the track. A double-yellow takes that possibility off the table.
Drivers indeed do have to take responsibility for their actions, but Race Control and the safety teams they command also play a role to keep things safe. Fair play to George, he took advantage of the situation and stayed within the rules, but Race Control imo dropped the ball given the greater circumstances.
There is indeed a noticeable difference in reaction between Lew and Charl. Even when Charles pipped Lewis for provisional pole, the cheers weren't as loud. Crazy just how quickly the tides can shift in this sport.Their 1 driver and 2 red cars...![]()
I know, I've seen you mention it here whenever safety calls come up. It's why I'm kinda surprised that you're seemingly not factoring in other aspects at play here, namely the corner itself, the nature of Max's incident, and the risks and likely outcome in the event of another car having a similar off at that same high-speed corner.Bear in mind I have been a marshal for now 17 years, I know what I am talking about here. Unless you can tell me you are John Yellow Flag who invented the yellow flag rules, or have similar officiating experience, perhaps you should try to understand what I am saying and why.
Apologies. I have just seen a lot of seriously dumb takes from people in the fallout from this incident and yours, though nowhere near "seriously dumb" seeming to insinuate that drivers should still drive in a manner that they can crash while in a single yellow was a bit of a breaking point for me, so I'm sorry you took the brunt for it.I know, I've seen you mention it here whenever safety calls come up. It's why I'm kinda surprised that you're seemingly not factoring in other aspects at play here, namely the corner itself, the nature of Max's incident, and the risks and likely outcome in the event of another car having a similar off at that same high-speed corner.
If another driver made a mistake and has an off at Turn 9 right after Max, and they were still maintaining a relatively high speed because it was only a single-yellow in that section, and therefore only needed to have a relatively small lift, where do you believe they are likely to end up? That's why I've been arguing that a double-yellow at minimum would've been the ideal call.
Also, I don't get why you're being hostile all of a sudden. I've been totally cordial with you in this discussion.
You cannot improve in the yellow flag affected mini sector if it's a single yellow. If it's a double yellow the whole lap is deleted.I thought the rule was you weren't allowed to improve on a yellow flag affected all?
You cannot improve in the yellow flag affected mini sector if it's a single yellow. If it's a double yellow the whole lap is deleted.
The rest of George's lap was just that good
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The learnings from this is F1 needs to be very clear what they expect to be single or double yellow flag in qualifying sessions, and they need to make it clear to drivers and fans what drivers are required to do in these situations. Bear in mind this decision has to be made by a marshal in less than a second and it can be hard to determine whether a car has stopped or hit a wall through a cloud of smoke or dust. Genuinely a few weeks ago the clouds of dust thrown up by cars in the gravel trap were so bad it took us a full minute for anyone to determine that there was a car stopped in the gravel trap. The answer is not to throw yellows "just in case", as false flags like that can be just as dangerous in a boy-who-cried-wolf situation. There is a careful balance there.
They could wave them in the first three corners today after the start to keep it safeSingle yellow - don't crash
Double yellow - don't crash