Formula 1 Magyar Nagydíj 2016

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People can talk them up all they want with how much they have improved but I simply do not see it. Have they gotten better? No question. Have they improved as much as others are saying? Hell no.

In terms of pace, McLaren Honda were only ahead of Manor at the start of 2015. Today (in fact all weekend), they were fourth best. At the start of 2015, they were lucky to finish a race. This year, they've had a couple of reliability blips, but they're not the only ones..

I don't think anyone has claimed McLaren will challenge for wins this year, but I think fourth best is a pretty good achievement relative to where they were just over a year ago.

Must be so weird for Suzy to interview Toto in a professional manner.

I hear she always talks like that to him..

"So Toto, what did you think of dinner tonight? Did the service staff perform to your expectations? Was the three course strategy the best way to go?
 
In terms of pace, McLaren Honda were only ahead of Manor at the start of 2015. Today (in fact all weekend), they were fourth best. At the start of 2015, they were lucky to finish a race. This year, they've had a couple of reliability blips, but they're not the only ones..

I don't think anyone has claimed McLaren will challenge for wins this year, but I think fourth best is a pretty good achievement relative to where they were just over a year ago.
Oh don't get me wrong they have improved a lot. But their reliability is horrible and undoes a lot of the improvement in pace.
 
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Oh don't get me wrong they have improved a lot. But their reliability is horrible and undoes a lot of the improvement in pace.
The same can be said about a lot of teams on the grid. This year has seen a lot of reliability blips... And again no one said they would be perfect. Compared to last year, McHonda is like a whole new team performance wise
 

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Definitely not for changing direction twice, blocking or causing a collision, apparently...

His second move was to turn into the corner. That's probably also why there isn't an investigation.

You guys are making things up because it was such a dull race.
 
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His second move was to turn into the corner.
Moving twice in less than the half of a second gives little chance for the car behind to avoid you.
1. Verstappen set his car to the left line
2. Kimi try right, Verstappen move right (which i think is already ugly when your opponent nose is in your gearbox)
3. Kimi react by diving left, Verstappen react by moving left too (in a very brutal way as seen on TV camera, not a way to take the turn right). He even never goes straight on the right line, He just do right-left in a move.
4. Kimi desperately react by turning right but can't avoid collision.
 

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I'm surprised PM hasn't called for Hamilton to be disqualified yet for dangerously rejoining the track after locking up at turn 12.

Oh that's right, he's still trying to stop laughing about Palmer spinning out of the points.
 

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My two cents on both issues this weekend.

While I agree it is just about possible to go purple through waved yellows on an evolving track, it would be a very rare circumstance. Single yellow definitely possible but double, highly unlikely. I don't think nico lifted enough. He said in the press conference he slowed by 20kph but if there is a stranded car or marshalls on the track, dropping to 120kph instead of doing 140kph is still dangerous. It also is setting a very bad precedent.

As for Max, moved twice, no question. They were subtle and quick but clear. He wasn't retaking the racing line, he pulled back to the inside quite a way before he would have normally. Also waiting for the driver behind to make their move before you make your defensive move is also dangerous. Not sure what the rules have to say on that though.
 
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His second move was to turn into the corner. That's probably also why there isn't an investigation.

You guys are making things up because it was such a dull race.


As for the first thing, I don't follow this line of thought, just because there's a corner doesn't give him the right or need to change direction / lanes again after the first time, he was in a perfectly fine position to go through that corner without changing lanes again, only then he would have been overtaken by Raikonnen, which is why he did the zig zag maneuver in the first place, perfectly understandably, but it's against the rules, it's unfair and most importantly very dangerous.

He did this again a few laps later only this time he changed direction / lane only once, which was still very unsportsmanlike and dangerous, but completely within the rules, because he only changed direction once this time.


For the second point, I didn't find this race dull at all , it only got a bit frustrating after the collision with Kimi / Verstappen since the Ferrari obviously was damaged enough to not being able to make a move again.
 

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Really enjoyed the opening lap, some great driving but it was a little frustrating watching cars not able to get along side for the remainder. I can appreciate the concentration and the skills needed for the track though. Wonder if at least one corner or the pit straight can be altered to create a passing zone.
 
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Thing that gets me was Max's tattle-tale "Kimi is exceeding limits" :lol:

Like 🤬 please, we all saw your block and have video proof, stop trying to change subject. :mischievous:
 
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If they could make it a bit longer again, they create 2 overtaking opportunities. It's now almost possible into turn 1 and almost possible into turn 2. And especially turn 2 and 3 would become an exciting set of curves.

I would get rid of the pointless curve back in near the end, instead run straight up the hill and make the last turn sharper and wider to invite overtaking.
 

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I'd put a bridge in, and reverse the start of the track... The old final turn leads to a new straight that bridge that rejoins the track at the exit of the old turn 2...
And the track chugs along...
but at the end of the lap rather than a short hairpin left you go under the new bridge and rejoin the track at the entry of the old turn 2 - creating a much longer run into an uphill final corner (The old turn 1) hungryhipporing.jpg

Can't cost too much to put in a bridge... You'd lose two hairpins but step up the difficulty of the final corner - which will have the added price of it being uphill magnifying any mistake along the main straight.
 

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It's already been altered. The pit straight used to be much shorter.

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Yes, I'm aware of the changes.

By pit straight I'm looking at the run to it as well as making it longer or looking at adding something in the middle of the circuit and keep the rest of the track tight. We just need one area really, whether it be the pit straight or infield.
 
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Just me that's never even heard of this dab thing then. I thought he was doing a dodgy version of Usain Bolt's celebration.

I thought the dab was the part when Lewis wiped the back of his suit with the towel.
 

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Gutierrez under investigation for ignoring blues.

Held Lewis up long enough for Nico to get within a half second.
Not sure the investigation was all that fair - Hamilton wasn't that close to Gutiérrez through the lap. It looked like he was holding back a bit so that he could get Gutiérrez in the second DRS zone and pin Rosberg behind the Haas for the better part of a lap, but it didn't really work. While lapped traffic should move aside, I don't think Hamilton was close enough to Gutiérrez to expect him to jump out of the way. And even then, there's only a handful of places where you can move aside.
 
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Not sure the investigation was all that fair - Hamilton wasn't that close to Gutiérrez through the lap. It looked like he was holding back a bit so that he could get Gutiérrez in the second DRS zone and pin Rosberg behind the Haas for the better part of a lap, but it didn't really work. While lapped traffic should move aside, I don't think Hamilton was close enough to Gutiérrez to expect him to jump out of the way. And even then, there's only a handful of places where you can move aside.

I don't see how at all when all it does is back him up into Rosberg and actually make it easier on Rosberg to pass him at the end of a straight. These drivers know where to use the traffic as a pick, on the long straight in a car equally as quick isn't the place. He could have easily moved over and got out of the way and didn't. He also blocked Vettel as well and Vettel showed displeasure with him and one stop Massa. He deserved it (penalty)
 
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@prisonermonkeys , Lewis was definitely trying to pin Rosberg in backmarker traffic, but as @LMSCorvetteGT2 says, he isn't the only one who complained about Gutierrez. Yes, it will ruin your race to pull aside on certain sections of the track, but you're the backmarker, you've got to deal with it.

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RE: Max, it doesn't matter, really, how violent a chop it was... the regulations as they currently stand allow him to retake the racing line once inside the corner, as long as Kimi is not alongside. It was naughty, dangerous and if he did it fifty meters earlier, or if Kimi had gotten up halfway along his bargeboards, worth a penalty, but Kimi didn't have a chance of making that move stick without dive-bombing under brakes and possibly still losing his front wing, anyway.
 

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Yes, it will ruin your race to pull aside on certain sections of the track, but you're the backmarker, you've got to deal with it.
I'm of the belief that while backmarkers should yield, they shouldn't be expected to do so in such a way that is unsafe or unreasonable. I remember Vettel encountered a Manor or a Marussia at the apex of the first turn in Barcelona once and wasn't impressed by it because it compromised his lap time, but you couldn't expect the other driver to move aside then and there.
 
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@prisonermonkeys , Lewis was definitely trying to pin Rosberg in backmarker traffic

I do think he wasnt, he knows he have to take a penalty soon for an engine change and he was probably trying to be as gentle with this engine so he got more choice on where he have to change it. He knows how important it is for Mercedes to finish 1-2.
 

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He knows how important it is for Mercedes to finish 1-2.
So important that the team had to remind him several times that he was jeopardising the 1-2 finish by backing Rosberg up? It was pretty obvious that they were invoking the post-Austria rules of engagement, and sure enough, Hamilton found speed almost straight away - despite his claim that he was pushing as hard as he could.