Formula 1 Qatar Airways British Grand Prix 2025Formula 1

[Demon Drone]

Could you enlighten me as to how the same penalty being given for two different offences indicates that the rules aren't being applied, when the same penalty is listed for both offences in the penalty guidelines? You might not like the penalties, but that's not the same thing as not applying the rules.

Intentionally trying to wreck someone is an instant DQ in any other racing series or driver. The fact they only gave him 10 seconds and not even a drive through shows their favoritism and incompetence as race directors. Just look at how many times Max would run someone off the track and then another would driver would do the same and get a penalty. Any other driver that pulls the **** that Max pulls he would have had multiple race bans at this point. It's undeniable at this point.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Intentionally trying to wreck someone is an instant DQ in any other racing series or driver. The fact they only gave him 10 seconds and not even a drive through shows their favoritism and incompetence as race directors. Just look at how many times Max would run someone off the track and then another would driver would do the same and get a penalty. Any other driver that pulls the **** that Max pulls he would have had multiple race bans at this point. It's undeniable at this point.

What???

He tried to be cheeky and game the restart, got penalised for it.

Dude check yo self a little

 

[Demon Drone]

He tried to be cheeky and game the restart, got penalised for it.

Dude check yo self a little

Yeah, not the same as intentionally trying to crash into your competitor. Glad we agree.

 

[GlamFM]

Intentionally trying to wreck someone is an instant DQ in any other racing series or driver. The fact they only gave him 10 seconds and not even a drive through shows their favoritism and incompetence as race directors. Just look at how many times Max would run someone off the track and then another would driver would do the same and get a penalty. Any other driver that pulls the **** that Max pulls he would have had multiple race bans at this point. It's undeniable at this point.

And how exactly does that make what Piatsri did ok and not a penalty?

Verstappen (arguably) not being penalized hard enough does not somehow magically give a completely unrelated driver a free pass.

Your conflating two completely unrelated incidents because your angry that your driver messed up.

Let it go.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Intentionally trying to wreck someone is an instant DQ in any other racing series or driver.

Err.. now you're mad F1 stewards aren't applying penalties from other series? Y U so mad bro? Look up the penalty guidelines!

 

[newmedia_dev]

Yeah, not the same as intentionally trying to crash into your competitor. Glad we agree.

What???

Are we talking about the race that just happened or histrionics?

It was un safe, stewards have ruled and the world largely agrees as do most of the paddock.

We definitely don’t agree on the same things.

 

[GlamFM]

I mean the question if that penalty against Max was hard enough is certainly warranted - and it was discussed to death already.

The part where “people” clumsily try to connect it to what Piastri did today where you lose me.

 

[Demon Drone]

And how exactly does that make what Piatsri did ok and not a penalty?

Verstappen (arguably) not being penalized hard enough does not somehow magically give a completely unrelated driver a free pass.

Your conflating two completely unrelated incidents because your angry that your driver messed up.

Let it go.

I couldn't care less about Oscar. I never said what he did was ok. I'm merely applying the logic the stewards have been applying all season.

The fact that these two incidents are considered equal in the steward's eyes is an embarrassment.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I couldn't care less about Oscar. I never said what he did was ok. I'm merely applying the logic the stewards have been applying all season.

The fact that these two incidents are considered equal in the steward's eyes is an embarrassment.

Why?

One rule has a penalty of x

Another rule for different reason carries the same penalty?


I’m not really clear on what you are saying, that two different infringements can’t carry the same penalty?

My mind boggles, have you ever driving to any sort of regulations?

 

[Demon Drone]

Err.. now you're mad F1 stewards aren't applying penalties from other series? Y U so mad bro? Look up the penalty guidelines!

No I just find it hilarious that they claim to be the 'pinnacle of motorsport ' yet they can't even properly punish a driver for committing the cardinal sin of intentionally running into you opponent.

 

[newmedia_dev]

No I just find it hilarious that they claim to be the 'pinnacle of motorsport ' yet they can't even properly punish a driver for committing the cardinal sin of intentionally running into you opponent.

What?

Which race did you watch?

It’s ok to be a fan of the sport and have opinions.

Just know they are based in a world where the actual racing that happens don’t exist.

When they talk about the pinnacle of motorsports it’s referencing the cars and the drivers, the rules are not even close to keeping up and neither are you and most of us

 

[Jimlaad43]

Piastri drove dangerously and another car had to take avoiding action.

Piastri was penalised for dangerous driving.

I don't see what the issue is there???

 

[Blitz24]

Is Piastri going to get points for the move? It's clear it was a very dangerous move and eventually SOMEONE is going to pull this move and cause a bad accident.

 

[MatskiMonk]

No I just find it hilarious that they claim to be the 'pinnacle of motorsport '

Well we agree on that... I've been saying it since about 2009.

yet they can't even properly punish a driver for committing the cardinal sin of intentionally running into you opponent.

Again, that is you disagreeing with their system, it is not them failing to follow their own rules.

FWIW Juan Montoya is the last driver I supported in F1, and BMW Sauber was the last team. Funnily enough, since those days, I've not personally found stewards decision's anywhere nearly as polarising or offensive. I do recognise the sport's mishandling of spectacle vs sportsmanship in 2021, but that's a weak excuse to flame any decision you disagree with ever since...

Also... Piastri asked his team to give him P1, I'm not sure that behaviour is worthy of the 'pinnacle of motorsport'. Fortunately on this occasion Mclaren had the good sense not to mess about.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Do you think Hulk could/should drive the 2nd redbull?

Because no one in that 2nd seat is doing any good & redbull need someone to at least be up there.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Is Piastri going to get points for the move? It's clear it was a very dangerous move and eventually SOMEONE is going to pull this move and cause a bad accident.

2 points

 

[Blitz24]

Do you think Hulk could/should drive the 2nd redbull?

Why would he want to do that? That machine is cursed. Audi has a better outlook than Red Bull.

 

[Demon Drone]

Why?

One rule has a penalty of x

Another rule for different reason carries the same penalty?

If you don't see the seriousness of what Max did and the lack of proper punishment as a problem that further erodes the integrity of the sport away then I'm not sure what to tell you.

I’m not really clear on what you are saying, that two different infringements can’t carry the same penalty?

If one infringement is significantly worse than the other than yeah they shouldn't carry the same penalty. Which is my entire point.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Why would he want to do that? That machine is cursed. Audi has a better outlook than Red Bull.

Oh, is he staying when audi takes over?

 

[Blitz24]

He's not officially signed, but next year we will see new regulations so RB may not be a better ride.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

Personally, Oscar's behavior is pretty much in line what what I would expect of someone that is in legitimate contention. You become more selfish, you think you're right even when you're clearly wrong, and you're more willing to play games to gain an advantage. We want to believe the fantasy of a clean fast driver who practices sportsmanship when the reality is that you'll almost always will have to get your hands dirty at some point.

 

[McLaren]

Oh, is he staying when audi takes over?

Yeah. He signed a multi-year deal last year, so he & Gabi will be Audi's first drivers.

 

[Dreadmed]

I do get the point regarding penalty severity, more than a few people thought Max would be black-flagged in Spain right there and then as it was abundantly clear he was trying to ram Russell off the road, a 10s penalty in that case was incredibly lenient. The issue (in my mind) is that the stewards flagged it as merely dangerous driving while disregarding the greater intent, in that he was deliberately aiming to knock Russell off the track... but since Russell got away largely unscathed that was that in the stewards eyes, i.e an example of the end result determining the penalty given.

When I saw the Piastri incident live I genuinely thought he hit the anchors to get some heat into the tyres/brakes, I don't think he actually intended to pull the same sort of nonsense as that penultimate SC lap in Canada between Max + Russell. Ultimately the stewards classed it as an example of dangerous driving... which it was, considering the conditions, but equally I can't see how Piastri would have wanted to run the risk of Max ploughing into his rear at that kind of speed.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Personally, Oscar's behavior is pretty much in line what what I would expect of someone that is in legitimate contention. You become more selfish, you think you're right even when you're clearly wrong, and you're more willing to play games to gain an advantage. We want to believe the fantasy of a clean fast driver who practices sportsmanship when the reality is that you'll almost always will have to get your hands dirty at some point.

They are playing the game, engineers strategists and drivers that’s baked in to F1 push the rules as far you can and a little beyond.

Today was a safety rule, and mechanical or aero stuff is post race done, driver standards are the number one, number 2 is driving standards the rest is all what parc feme is for

 

[Demon Drone]

Well we agree on that... I've been saying it since about 2009.


Again, that is you disagreeing with their system, it is not them failing to follow their own rules.

Fair enough. Either way it's doing lasting damage to the sport. Yet another sport being ruined by bad officiating. Seems to be an epidemic at this point.

FWIW Juan Montoya is the last driver I supported in F1, and BMW Sauber was the last team. Funnily enough, since those days, I've not personally found stewards decision's anywhere nearly as polarising or offensive.

For me 2021 made my head spin with the seemingly different rule book every race. What could have been one of the greatest duels in F1 history ended up being known for stewarding debacles across the entire season.

F1 has definitely had its fair share of **** show seasons and crazy officiating over the years but that year felt different. Like 'jump the shark different.'

I do recognise the sport's mishandling of spectacle vs sportsmanship in 2021, but that's a weak excuse to flame any decision you disagree with ever since...

I'm personally flaming almost every decision because there are so many parallels to Nascar in the mid 2000s and 2010s. And look at how that series has turned out. I used to love NASCAR in the 90s and such but it's unrecognizable now.

Also... Piastri asked his team to give him P1, I'm not sure that behaviour is worthy of the 'pinnacle of motorsport'. Fortunately on this occasion Mclaren had the good sense not to mess about.

Yeah that was a little silly on his part. Like whether you agree with it or not take the L and move on man. He's clearly better than Lando and he needs to keep reminding himself of it so he doesn't do silly things to give away points.

 

[Demon Drone]

I do get the point regarding penalty severity, more than a few people thought Max would be black-flagged in Spain right there and then as it was abundantly clear he was trying to ram Russell off the road, a 10s penalty in that case was incredibly lenient. The issue (in my mind) is that the stewards flagged it as merely dangerous driving while disregarding the greater intent, in that he was deliberately aiming to knock Russell off the track... but since Russell got away largely unscathed that was that in the stewards eyes, i.e an example of the end result determining the penalty given.

When I saw the Piastri incident live I genuinely thought he hit the anchors to get some heat into the tyres/brakes, I don't think he actually intended to pull the same sort of nonsense as that penultimate SC lap in Canada between Max + Russell. Ultimately the stewards classed it as an example of dangerous driving... which it was, considering the conditions, but equally I can't see how Piastri would have wanted to run the risk of Max ploughing into his rear at that kind of speed.

Yes exactly. Why intent has never been in consideration has always wild to me.

They need to stop punishing the outcome and punish the incident itself. Basically telling drivers it's ok to be complete psycho's on track if no one wrecks or gets hurt. That's just a recipe for disaster. Just ask IndyCar in 2011.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Yeah that was a little silly on his part. Like whether you agree with it or not take the L and move on man. He's clearly better than Lando and he needs to keep reminding himself of it so he doesn't so silly things to give away points.

Clearly he is a fast driver, the want to win is high.

The thing here is decision making, and every single one on the grid make bad decisions them or the team.

 

[Demon Drone]

Clearly he is a fast driver, the want to win is high.

The thing here is decision making, and every single one on the grid make bad decisions them or the team.

Honestly for how young he is I'm continually impressed how many times he's not made the "rookie mistake." The fact he has been instantly competitive in entering the series reminds me of a young Hamilton. Alonso is STILL salty after all these years.

 

[Touring Mars]

Also... Piastri asked his team to give him P1, I'm not sure that behaviour is worthy of the 'pinnacle of motorsport'. Fortunately on this occasion Mclaren had the good sense not to mess about.

Yeh, I thought that was very odd - showing his lack of experience and, dare I say it, maturity.

The C4 commentators thought the 10s penalty was very harsh, but I don't think it was at all - again, I think it came down to inexperience - he's not been in that position in F1 many times, and he braked way too hard, esp. given the conditions... but then to complain to his team about Norris being in front after his penalty was pretty silly.

 

[Fezzik]

Oscar was right when he said he’d done the same thing on previous laps. Lucky he didn’t get 2 penalties - I guess Max didn’t need to take avoiding action the first time.