Formula GT a piece of old school gaming

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Hello everybody,

just finished fgt challenge (on gold :)) and think its the only time gt5 shows some balls to push gamers to try really hard. What do you think?
 
I think is a ****** tourny.

When you are far behing, you can cut 6-7-8 whatever seconds per lap, when you are ahead, they stay behind you even if your laps are faster than the laps when you were behind.

Pretty full of gimmicks tourny.
 
Any race can be the best race if you enter it with an underpowered car... FGT championship wasnt hard at all because the AI have the same cars as me, and I'm a good driver, so I've won every race +-30 seconds. The car is still a pain to drive sometimes...
 
agree skylinefx, but fgt doesn´t leave you the choice to sit in a underpowered or a 300 hp ahead of the rest car. you have to face it. that´s the oldschool i´m talking about.

@ dark_ruffo: true

@ nw99: havetn´t tried it yet (lvl 29)

cheers
 
agree skylinefx, but fgt doesn´t leave you the choice to sit in a underpowered or a 300 hp ahead of the rest car. you have to face it. that´s the oldschool i´m talking about.

@ dark_ruffo: true

@ nw99: havetn´t tried it yet (lvl 29)

cheers

That's true. In fact all A Spec races should have very limited access, horses, cars, weight. And have a base experience you get that goes up the worse car you use, pretty much like aspec points in GT4, but here those points really count.
 
Hello everybody,

just finished fgt challenge (on gold :)) and think its the only time gt5 shows some balls to push gamers to try really hard. What do you think?

?????? :confused:

It was basically chance that allowed me to get gold in B and A. The slalom test I beat my head against the wall for DAYS on. I could silver all day long, and bronze in my sleep (often getting ticked at knowing I didn't make gold, and E-Braking to slide backwards across the line for bronze - in any test that I had trouble with). That was a challenge from hell, and I don't see gold happening with IC. Silver maybe, but that'll be hard too as some of the ones so far I've had a hell of a time getting that.

I've never once gotten gold S license... ever. In 5 game titles.

Honestly, they make gold too hard in all these tests. And the thing is, I know I'm not the best GT-er out there, but I also know I don't suck either. Yet, you pretty much just have to try it a thousand times until you get lucky and eek by, not really all that fun. There's a fine line between challenge and aggrevated frustration that sucks balls; and most of the gold standards for tests and challenges crosses that line.
 
?????? :confused:

It was basically chance that allowed me to get gold in B and A. The slalom test I beat my head against the wall for DAYS on. I could silver all day long, and bronze in my sleep (often getting ticked at knowing I didn't make gold, and E-Braking to slide backwards across the line for bronze - in any test that I had trouble with). That was a challenge from hell, and I don't see gold happening with IC. Silver maybe, but that'll be hard too as some of the ones so far I've had a hell of a time getting that.

I've never once gotten gold S license... ever. In 5 game titles.

Honestly, they make gold too hard in all these tests. And the thing is, I know I'm not the best GT-er out there, but I also know I don't suck either. Yet, you pretty much just have to try it a thousand times until you get lucky and eek by, not really all that fun. There's a fine line between challenge and aggrevated frustration that sucks balls; and most of the gold standards for tests and challenges crosses that line.

I have 2 or 3 golds for special license on gt5 and that was with a Ds3(g27 ordered), it's not impossible at all you just have to drive without errors and find the correct line. Imo the license tests are set perfectly.
It's hard but relatively easy at the same time, to get silver in all of the licenses but to get gold it really makes you strive to find that extra second or half a second off your time. To me that is what GT is all about, those small differences that show a quite good driver that he is not yet an excellent driver. As good as you think you are, some of the gold standards in special events and licenses show you that there is a LOT of room for improvement in your driving.
 
?????? :confused:

It was basically chance that allowed me to get gold in B and A. The slalom test I beat my head against the wall for DAYS on. I could silver all day long, and bronze in my sleep (often getting ticked at knowing I didn't make gold, and E-Braking to slide backwards across the line for bronze - in any test that I had trouble with). That was a challenge from hell, and I don't see gold happening with IC. Silver maybe, but that'll be hard too as some of the ones so far I've had a hell of a time getting that.

I've never once gotten gold S license... ever. In 5 game titles.

Honestly, they make gold too hard in all these tests. And the thing is, I know I'm not the best GT-er out there, but I also know I don't suck either. Yet, you pretty much just have to try it a thousand times until you get lucky and eek by, not really all that fun. There's a fine line between challenge and aggrevated frustration that sucks balls; and most of the gold standards for tests and challenges crosses that line.

yeah, but you talk about frustration in licenses which take 5 min. of your time: that means it´s just frustration even if it´s repeatet 200 times a day... fgt builds up thrill on the other hand: you win the first race of course, the second is easy to win, but then...only one chance (start) every race - or skip race, which doesn´t bring you closer to gold: oldschool!
 
I have 2 or 3 golds for special license on gt5 and that was with a Ds3(g27 ordered), it's not impossible at all you just have to drive without errors and find the correct line. Imo the license tests are set perfectly.
It's hard but relatively easy at the same time, to get silver in all of the licenses but to get gold it really makes you strive to find that extra second or half a second off your time. To me that is what GT is all about, those small differences that show a quite good driver that he is not yet an excellent driver. As good as you think you are, some of the gold standards in special events and licenses show you that there is a LOT of room for improvement in your driving.

Yes, I understand what you're saying, and, clearly, the fact that people do it means that it is possible.

But, this is billed as "The Real Driving Simulator", is it not? Racing is an added aspect to make it into a game. I can appreciate trying to show people where there is room for improvement, and offering reward to those who go for it, but at a certain point, it becomes a case of demanding absolute perfection, and, in many cases, much more money spent in hardware setups.

I'm not really sure how to phrase it. But basically, at a certain point, I know what I need to do for speed, but can not see where I'm failing. That is not a good test, nor good instruction. If there was some way to provide advice and instruction, sort of like what they tried to do with the Jeff Gordon challenges, but more detailed and helpful.

Take the B-2 test for instance. I golded all the tests in B except that one and could not get it. I simply determined I was not going to be stopped by just one test and kept at it. I knew I had to minimize distance traveled, and get as close to the cones as possible, but once I was down to 20.2 consistently, I could not see where I could make changes to get more time. It was simply a matter of trying it again and again and again to get lucky and hit it just right. I did hit .1xx a few times, then back to .3xx, but spent most time in the .2xx range. Now, admittedly, that was an improvement from the .6xx I started at. So it helped. But, I have no idea how I manated to scrape under 20.000 finally. And I could not do it again if I tried. How is that helpful?

And if someone were to say that I need to invest in a wheel, well... that's great for those who want to do it, but not fair for those who can't afford it. I guess it just seems messed up to push people that hard, not provide help, and stiff them if they either can't get lucky, and/or can't afford the hardware.

If they made gold just a bit easier it would not detract from the gameplay in anyway for the people with loads of money, time ad determination, yet ehance it for everyone else.
 
Gold in license tests are very doable with DS3, I got them all using it. The Vettel Challenge however is a different story.

And I agree, the FGT is the only real "hard" championship in the game. Only allowing one car, you have to actually be better than the AI in an insane car which would be hard for the more casual gamer. Even I had some problems with it.

But when you are behind it seems that the AI is not driving as fast as it could. In last race I was behind with 21 secs after two huge mistakes, but I gained 8 secs per lap. When I got the lead though I could only get a lead of ~4secs. It's like racing Need For Speed again with Catch-up activated.
 
Yes, I understand what you're saying, and, clearly, the fact that people do it means that it is possible.

I'm not really sure how to phrase it. But basically, at a certain point, I know what I need to do for speed, but can not see where I'm failing. That is not a good test, nor good instruction. If there was some way to provide advice and instruction, sort of like what they tried to do with the Jeff Gordon challenges, but more detailed and helpful.

The tests have a video you can watch of a gold run. It's not perfect, but you can try to determine what you need to work to improve by looking at that.
 
Darkphynx.. Point taken. But i have to disagree about forcing you to change hardware. You have chosen to use a Ds3 with a Driving Simulator and the positive of that is you don't need to spend any extra money. However it does come with the downside that your experiencing, ds3 sticks have a very limited but wide range of motion resulting in small tweaks back an forth on the stick causing jerks on screen. This results in changing the weight transferrence going into a corner etc.

A wheel only lets you be faster due to how smooth you can be, there are no sudden movements side to side causing tyre slip etc.

The reason i disagree about needing to upgrade the hardware is because the game is fully playable and beatable with the standard gear ( ds3), but is completely optimized and made all the more immersive through using a FFB wheel.
I have to be honest if i didnt intend on buying a wheel i would have bought one of the NFS series or Grid, i knew full well i wouldn't enjoy gt5 playing with a ds3 so i saved since mid-year for a wheel jst $20 a week.
I would fall asleep on the couch at 1am with ds3 in my hand waiting for a race to load, with a wheel my heart is beating so fast and after you finish a close race you kinda have to calm yourself back to reality you get that immersed.
 
PD made the Licence Gold for those who like a challenge .. They also made Bronze and Silver for people to progress the bronze is simple to do and does not inhibit your progress. As such they have catered for most gamers. Perfectionist like to achieve Gold and all throphies. I would say Gold is tough on some test and easy on others. But the fact remains built into the game are Bronze which allows progress. ( I don't have all Gold yet myself but will do , i just floated through the test so i could play) They are the last things i do. Using aids also slows your time down so try to drive with no aids as much as possible or ABS 1 if need be (Myself i consider mediocre at GT5 compared to some but i enjoy my game play and don't wish nor strive to be the best ). I would rather have more Championships such as FGT than as they stand. I think that would improve my virtual driving skills more than "Gold" would .. Remember it is a programme developed to run a set pace or time nothing more nothing less. You can stake the odds in your favour but the times of AI and Licences will not change.
 
Hank, those demos do not always get gold. BTDT. If anything, that drives home the point, it's so hard they can't even demo it. lol (or that they choose not to, thereby making it harder on the player)

Darkphynx.. Point taken. But i have to disagree about forcing you to change hardware. You have chosen to use a Ds3 with a Driving Simulator and the positive of that is you don't need to spend any extra money. However it does come with the downside that your experiencing, ds3 sticks have a very limited but wide range of motion resulting in small tweaks back an forth on the stick causing jerks on screen. This results in changing the weight transferrence going into a corner etc.

A wheel only lets you be faster due to how smooth you can be, there are no sudden movements side to side causing tyre slip etc.

The reason i disagree about needing to upgrade the hardware is because the game is fully playable and beatable with the standard gear ( ds3), but is completely optimized and made all the more immersive through using a FFB wheel.
I have to be honest if i didnt intend on buying a wheel i would have bought one of the NFS series or Grid, i knew full well i wouldn't enjoy gt5 playing with a ds3 so i saved since mid-year for a wheel jst $20 a week.
I would fall asleep on the couch at 1am with ds3 in my hand waiting for a race to load, with a wheel my heart is beating so fast and after you finish a close race you kinda have to calm yourself back to reality you get that immersed.

In another context, I'd agree vehemetly with you. For IL2 Sturmovik, I bought a TM Cougar HOTAS and sourced some rudder pedals from ebay, to give me the full rig. If I had the money, I'd have gotten a better system and a better monitor as well, I just didn't. In fact, if I could, I'd really like to mod my Cougar.

So yeah, I know all about using proper hardware to immerse yourself in a sim.

In fact.... I have the Logitech Momo FFB wheel, which I got for GTR2 by Simbin for the PC.

But there's the thing. My PC is a focal point of the room it's in, and the desk is large enough to allow for any sort of hardware I might want. The PS3 is in the living room on the 60" rear projection screen.

Also, the PS3 comes with a custom controller. The PC comes with a kb and mouse. It's impossible to control a plane or car with that in any reasonable way. And, let's not forget the GT roots, digital buttons and all.

So, yeah... making it more feasible would not harm the super gung-ho types that have master game driving in their high dollar sim chair rig. It would just allow those of us who can't afford, or, don't have the room for such things to have more enjoyment from it. This has long been a gripe of mine about the entire series.

::: shrug ::: "Mileage may vary" I suppose.... :)
 
This Championship really needs a save function between races, it's really long :/.

Yeah, this is practically the first endurance race.

First time I got there, beat the first three went on to sleep expecting to be autosaved. The next day I found It didn't saved :crazy:
 
Yeah, this is practically the first endurance race.

First time I got there, beat the first three went on to sleep expecting to be autosaved. The next day I found It didn't saved :crazy:

>.<

I don't mind endurance, just it's 5 lots of tracks, not just 1, which is a bit of a pain, it'd be nice to be able to sleep half way through. Haha.
 
I also quite like, how I've just finished Cote d'Azur, and realised I've been using sports hard tyres... I wondered why it was a tad difficult.
 
The FGT races are interesting to say the least. On the one hand, it is very difficult because the FGT is a handful to control in itself, and plus the competition all have FGTs of similar power. On the other hand, it is fairly easy due to the rubber banding. Notice how even if you spin out and fall behind, you can get back to first in about 2 laps max. Also, notice how once you do get back in front, it is near impossible to build up a decent lead.
 
As soon as the AI are out of sight they start cheating,nearly impossible to get a decent lead, except when they choose the wrong tyres --chuckle---
 
I enjoyed the formula GT championship the same way I enjoy time trials... I started each race with no knowledge of braking points and passing areas, and finished each race feeling like I had the track dialed. The problem is that everything you do up until lap 18 is meaningless, because you cant build a lead, or fall far behind, due to the rubber-band ai.

The annoying thing is that every race comes down to the last three laps, because the ai is always 4-6 seconds behind you depending on the track (even though you can make up 5-10 seconds per lap on the leader up until you are in first), so the last three laps is the only place where you can make a mistake large enough that you can't catch up from.

I was lucky and didnt have any problems. My biggest fear was my fat old 60gb ps3 dying halfway through because of the lack of a save function. I cut things short though. After winning the first 4 races, I was tired, and my ps3 was hot, so on monza I cheated and drove the second place overall car off the track on the first chicane and retired my way through the last 2 races into first place in the overall (I went back and beat Monza and Suzuka later on). I felt kind of dirty doing it, but that was back before you could backup your saves, and I was too in love with my hard-earned collection of DTM cars to risk an ill-time YLOD
 
Hello everybody,

just finished fgt challenge (on gold :)) and think its the only time gt5 shows some balls to push gamers to try really hard. What do you think?

I beat it gold using medium tires and DS3 and found it really challenging but with soft tires its no challenge :( and with all assist off.
 
anyone remember what times they did on fuji?

I had a (probably mediocre) average of 1:17 per lap with a freak 1:15 happen once which I still can't get my head around...

I hate when I don't know what I did right >.<
I could use a race engineer to read my telemetries :rolleyes:
 
Not trying to blow my own whistle here but I golded all 60 licenses with the ds3. It's far from impossible. Less than 10 of them were truly painful. Slolem, breaking and the 2 lap races were the worst.
 
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