Forza gets Porsche DLC -will GT5 follow?

[Scaff]

The off topic flame bait can stop right now.

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[HighPlainsDrftr]

I'd be happy with an all premium RUF upgrade, and maybe some newer ones added.

 

[Astro-Racer]

The off topic flame bait can stop right now.

This actual thread is flame bait :/

I thought all threads comparing Forza to GT were locked?

 

[Patrick]

No, we have one official Forza vs GT5 thread.

 

[1241Penguin]

This actual thread is flame bait :/

I thought all threads comparing Forza to GT were locked?

This thread IMO is not necessarily Forza vs GT. OP was pointing out how FM4 gets Porsche after a licensing dispute, so OP made this far-fetched assumption that GT will get Porsche as well.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I'd be happy with an all premium RUF upgrade, and maybe some newer ones added.

Me too. I don't really care much about Porsche anyway, despite me like them. RUF is where it's at.

RUF CTR3 Clubsport '12

RUF RGT8 '12

RUF RXL '12

RUF Dakara '09

How could anyone not want RUF. It's a cool brand and PD needs start adding these right away in GT6 atleast. 👍 There are more modern RUF's btw, these one are just previews. Theres even classic ones as well. Like the RUF Turbo S.

Ruf Turbo R '98

 

[1241Penguin]

For God's sake don't turn this into another pointless wishlist thread.

 

[TokoTurismo]

For God's sake don't turn this into another pointless wishlist thread.

What? Noooo. I was showing everyone how the modern RUFs looked like. Don't get hyper over it...

 

[BoneSawTX]

Seen them in 3 other threads, but still want to run a 917 longtail around La Sarthe. That won't be happening without porsche. [sarcasm] THANKS. [/sarcasm]

 

[ItsHim]

The off topic flame bait can stop right now.

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If this was directed at me: my remark is most certainly not a flame bait. I'm economic with words because I'm typing this message on a phone.

The long version would be that Porsche is and always has been a most peculiar firm with an archaic sense of leadership.

I won't spare anyone the bother to look it up on google, just take a look at the rivalry between the Porsche and Piech families. It's a good read.

And I most certainly am of the opinion that sooner or later Porsche will have to adapt to the VW way of doing things. Bentley has, Lamborghini has, Audi has.

Now having the Veyron in about any car game free for everybody to mess around must come at an price. That's my gut feeling. Call it a flame bait as much as you wish, but a Golf is one of the most successful but dullest cars around. The current gen Golf has absolutely no DNA common with the once groundbreaking Mark I GTI.
Feel free to argue with that.

So, if I look beyond GT5 to, i dont know, lets say Shift for the sake of an argument, I ask myself: why the hell would anyone add the last or current gen Golf alongside well chosen other cars? Like the original M3? Th Supra? Or the Veyron, which is in my book a completely hideous yet relevant car to car history. And if there must be a Golf in the lineup, or the Scirocco, why not one of the one offs VW did for the N24 hours for example?

We all like to virtually race cars we maybe own in RL, but if I have 50 cars I can put in a game why I would make one a current gen Golf. Unless its the price I have to pay to get, let's say the Veyron.

Which sounds at least plausible enough that it should be worthy of a debate.

Unless anyone comes forward and publishes licensing agreements on WikiLeaks all we can do is guess and speculate.

That's what I'm doing. So once again: I see the possibility in the future that Porsche as a possible subsidiary brand of VW will have to grant licences at the will of VW, so that they in turn can plug a model they wish as a "price tag". You want Bugatti, Audi and Lamborghini? Ok, but just as a bundle with this Seat and that VW.

Which should be good news for any gear head out there. Wishful thinking maybe, but plausible.

 

[sikbeta]

Didn't T10 had to make a deal with EA first to get the Porsche license and that didn't work out?

By the launch of F4 there wasn't any Porsche cars, they sure close the deal with some good reasons ($_$) so now they have them in form of DLC

Pretty much EA still has the rights of using Porsche cars, so I don't think GT5 will get them

The only hope are the RUFs CTR3

 

[alonsof1fan91]

However the one point I would agree with you on is that anyone claiming that Ruf is more recognisable as a sporting brand that Porsche is not being realistic. The 911 bodyshape is one of the most iconic shapes in motoring and very, very widely recognised. Also Porsche hammer Ruf in terms of motorsport pedigree simply but the fact that the latter, as a manufacturer, has none. Porsche however have one of the longest running and successful mototsport pedigrees of almost any non Italian manufacturer.


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Sadly, most people don`t care about motorsport history.

Its very, very hard to get random people into a historic lemans race in GT5.

I would KILL to get a 917 in this game, but Ì doubt it will get frequently used as premium RUF`s would.
I never understood why PD didn`t add any premium RUF`s.

Among the community, there is a desperate need for either Porsche or RUF, Porsche is locked down, but RUF? If they want to milk the cow, just make a DLC of it. Very few will buy GT6 because it has one or two premium RUF`s in it, but 100.000-1.000.000 people would pay money for it as DLC

 

[sumbrownkid]

Of all the racing Porsches, I don't get why the 917 has such an aura around it.

It was actually not the most powerful at Le Mans, nor the fastest Porsche. In terms of competition it pales in comparison to the 956/962 family.

But I'm sure Ruf can make a faster version.

 

[goukipau]

Sadly, most people don`t care about motorsport history.

I totally agree, nowadays nobody hardly does...
I saw a poll in the Q&A forum: Ferrari or Lamborghini. Ofcourse it is also how the cars look nowadays, but where's Lamborghini's history...?!
Id be happy to seePorsche enter Gran Turismo series, better late then never, because it adds really value to the serie (with the hope the creator adds historic racers in as well; 917, 962 etc.)

 

[BoneSawTX]

Of all the racing Porsches, I don't get why the 917 has such an aura around it.

It was actually not the most powerful at Le Mans, nor the fastest Porsche. In terms of competition it pales in comparison to the 956/962 family.

But I'm sure Ruf can make a faster version.

Speed and power are just part of it's Aura, it's got a classic body line that is always going to look sexy and is one of the most recognizable race cars ever. When I hear about see the "Gulf paint scheme" the 917 is the first to pop in to my mind.

It won porsche it's 1st over all victory at Le Mans, 6 variations including the 917-30 (1,100 bhp) that basically killed CAN/AM by winning all but one race in 73. Lot's of victories for that car's family tree.

RUF will never build a car that comes close to being as recognized.

 

[bombe32]

No one can know anything, but I have the belief that GT5 was more about making the gameplay than adding the new cars. So they went for the easy solution and ported cars to the game from previous titles and made a few new cars to learn how to make them.

I could see GT6 having a lot of newer cars, but I still think they're different games that has different ideas: GT wants lots of cars to suit all players with cars they like, while Forza aim to include the most popular cars only and win in the popularity department by being cool.
It's a matter of preference, really. If you like the cars for their looks or name, Forza. If you like the cars for driving and originality, GT.

I'd also like to call it casual and hardcore, but that's just preference again IMO.

 

[HuskyGT]

I'm not following anything. RUF is a tuner as far as I know, if you know more and can point me out to anything I'm glad to learn. They made some car like the CTR etc.. but most car are just porsche tuned. A bit like Amuse.

RUf made a gay SUV also btw did you know that ? And no in my country most people drive 911 actually, most women I know that talks about Porsche wants a 911 and not a gay Cayenne or Panamera.

Can you point me out what historical fact RUF made ? Except breaking the speed record. I'm really curious.

Ok, just to make it clear, I'm not saying that Ruf is better than Porsche. I'm just saying that despite the fact that Ruf has no racing pedigree, Ruf IS an established manufacturer of its own. Even hardcore Porsche entusiasts have a special love for the brand, and some go as far as paying for their Porsches to be stripped down to the bone and turned into a Ruf.

And no. Ruf aint a tunner. Ruf started as a repair shop in the 50's and started focusing on Porsches later on. Ruf also makes performance upgrades for Porsches and it even has a professional restoration service for classic Porsches. But again, Ruf is an established manufacturer that has nothing to do with Porsche in terms of branding, except for the fact that they use Porsches as a base for their cars. Even the engine, transmission, suspension are Ruf made.

My appologies if I sounded like I was mocking you in my first post, it was not my intention to sound rude.




Now back to topic, I do expect Porsche in GT6 at least. I don't think that Porsche DLC will be a possibility for GT5. With this said, I hope that PD puts at least a dozen of Porsches ranging from classics, race cars, and the new lineup. I do however expect RUF to be taken in consideration as well as I'm a fan of the brand since I first knew about it back in GT2 days.

 

[analog]

The current Porsche line up isn't necessarily why people get excited about this brand, as indeed it can be easily be replaced by the current Ruf line up.
The new 911 looks very pretty to me eyes though, easily the best looking 911 since the aircooled 993, and the new Boxster seems nice too.
It's a shame the 2 only 4/5-door Porsches ever build are such huge eyesores though, especially since I applaud the concept of the Panamera, but not its styling, and I also don't mind an SUV (I mean Porsche used to build tractors too).

It's their complete portfolio which truly gets petrolheads excited, and something which the inclusion of Ruf can never replace.
The first Ruf dates from 1977, Porsche started producing cars in 1948, that's a huge gap which leaves the perhaps most interesting periods totally uncovered.
And that's just the roadcars, the enormous scope presented by Porsches racecars is another thing Ruf can't offer.
This isn't dissing Ruf at all though, love their cars, just saying that the implications of including Porsche is so much more than an almost interchangeable (apart from looks and performance) current line up.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Speed and power are just part of it's Aura, it's got a classic body line that is always going to look sexy and is one of the most recognizable race cars ever. When I hear about see the "Gulf paint scheme" the 917 is the first to pop in to my mind.

It won porsche it's 1st over all victory at Le Mans, 6 variations including the 917-30 (1,100 bhp) that basically killed CAN/AM by winning all but one race in 73. Lot's of victories for that car's family tree.

RUF will never build a car that comes close to being as recognized.

The 956/962 is way more recognizable than the 917. Owning almost a decade of racing tends to do that.

Not hating on the 917, but looking at pure achievements, it doesn't come close.

 

[Mr_X]

Hope so but I doubt it anytime soon

 

[Antonisbob]

Not GT5 DLC, that's for sure. I'm not sure if GT5 will even get any more DLC, will it? I haven't heard anything for a while.

 

[WJHMH]

If would seem like a no brainer, I'd like a 962 & 993 myself but I don't see it happening. I'm still not holding my breath for a new Ferrari DLC pack.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

The 956/962 is way more recognizable than the 917. Owning almost a decade of racing tends to do that.

Not hating on the 917, but looking at pure achievements, it doesn't come close.

Still the 917 was Porsches first car to win the 24h LeMans. Its also the car which battled with a Ford GT40 for the closest win in LeMan history. Its also the car which starred in the movie "LeMans" with Steve McQueen.

Of course the 956/962 are legendary cars too, especially the later one with Stefan Bellof as driver.

Its just that the early 70s and probably late 80s/early 90s are considered as golden era`s of motorsport. IIRC there was a interview few years ago, where they asked Ferdinand Piech about the most crucial and risky thing in Porsches history and he replied it was the 917.

The 917K will always stay along side greats like the Mercedes W196, Ford GT40, Mclaren MP4-4 and Ferrari F2004 in the car heaven.

edit: More about 917 vs Ferrari 512s... http://fansoflemans.free.fr/F MYTHES ENDURANCE/IMCA - SlotRacing_fichiers/AS70LM.htm

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Unless you can 100% prove that an SUV wishes to indulge in sexual relationships with another car of the same gender you can have a 'gay' car.

You that term as a pejorative again and it will be the last thing you do here as a member (just to be 100% clear - you will be banned - we have no place for homophobia).

Sorry I didnt mean to offend anyone, I have some gay friends and I really have nothing against them. I guess for me it's a figure of speak. My apologies if I hurt anyone, I really didnt mean it.

For the rest of the debate, I wont reply because it's a never ending battle, I already had it on another forum and everyone see it differently.

 

[interpolfan11]

You've got to be kidding me, people. PD would never compile a DLC car pack that makes this much sense.

 

[Imari]

I think all we can say is that Forza has proved that with effort compromises can be reached with EA in order to license Porsche.

PD has so far shown no interest in doing so. Despite having larger sales AND a smaller team. Can they not spare the money? What, really, is the hold up to PD doing the same?

 

[ch3ng]

I think all we can say is that Forza has proved that with effort compromises can be reached with EA in order to license Porsche.

PD has so far shown no interest in doing so. Despite having larger sales AND a smaller team. Can they not spare the money? What, really, is the hold up to PD doing the same?

Maybe they dont want to spend the Money. To many People buy GT blind.

Milking the cow...

Not my opinion but a possible Answer.

I think there is One or more reasons....
a) Dont created a Porsche yet
b) Dont want to Pay for a license
c) Dont care about Porsche
d) Dont care that much about non Asia market.
e) Dont have friends @ Porsche. Turn10 has.
f) ...

 

[analog]

PD has so far shown no interest in doing so. Despite having larger sales AND a smaller team. Can they not spare the money? What, really, is the hold up to PD doing the same?

How would you know they haven't shown interest? Who knows what they're doing behind the scenes?
What if it's indeed just a money issue (aside from a political one) and they can't justify the purchase of a sublicense as the costs may simply outweigh the extra profit (if there actually is any apart from DLC, GT-games sold pretty well without Porsche or Ferrari/Lamborghini for that matter) of extra sales for GT5/6 if it included Porsche?
They would certainly love to include Porsche but there probably are limits.

Porsche certainly aren't in a hurry to be included, it's probably the most talked about brand on a forum like this, who mentions Ferrari anymore?

 

[diegorborges]

Maybe they dont want to spend the Money. To many People buy GT blind.

Milking the cow...

Not my opinion but a possible Answer.

I think there is One or more reasons....
a) Dont created a Porsche yet
b) Dont want to Pay for a license
c) Dont care about Porsche
d) Dont care that much about non Asia market.
e) Dont have friends @ Porsche. Turn10 has.
f) ...

Like I said in some other thread, I`m 90% sure THEY DO WANT the Porsches in the game. A good example of that was the hidden Porsche GT3 on Gran Turismo 3.

It`s probably a hairy and complicated legal problem. Licensing department businessman are disgraced bastards and we know they can be really evil when it involves the ammount of money a Porsche license represent.

And if you think that one of the reasons that NFS Shift franchise failed, it`s the existence of Gran Turismo. They probably hate GT as much as they can AND the best they can do it`s to have a deal with GT strongest rival. Forza.

This or they are just asking a monumental ammount of money for the license and Sony is not in the best condition to pay it.

Definitely, not lack of interest. I`m really sure that PD wants Porsche in the game as we want it. It`s just "not possible" right now.

The chit-chat about PD only caring about Asia market is old and not true. If it's like that, they would never depart from GT1 original formula, that featured 95% of Japanese cars.

1:16 forward... I bet they're interested enough. This 996 GT3 looks far better modeled than the RUF RGT. I wouldn't care to have it even as standard RIGHT NOW.

 

[ch3ng]

Like I said in some other thread, I`m 90% sure THEY DO WANT the Porsches in the game. A good example of that was the hidden Porsche GT3 on Gran Turismo 3.

I Hope you're right, but i think the hidden Porsche isn't a sign. Why they made no Premium Ruf to Show that they care about Porsche?

It`s probably a hairy and complicated legal problem. Licensing department businessman are disgraced bastards and we know they can be really evil when it involves the ammount of money a Porsche license represent.

And if you think that one of the reasons that NFS Shift franchise failed, it`s the existence of Gran Turismo. They probably hate GT as much as they can AND the best they can do it`s to have a deal with GT strongest rival. Forza.

That isn't a reason. You could say.

"And if you think that one of the reasons that NFS Shift Franchise failed, it's the existence of Forza Motorsport. They probably hate Forza as much as they can AND the best they can do it's to have a Deal with Forza strongest rival. GT."

It is wrong. They denied Porsche for Forza 4, because it was a Shift 2 competitor, but they did Not denied it in Forza1-3 and Shift 1 was a competitor.
And After months Forza 4 has the Porsche sub-license.

This or they are just asking a monumental ammount of money for the license and Sony is not in the best condition to pay it.

Definitely, not lack of interest. I`m really sure that PD wants Porsche in the game as we want it. It`s just "not possible" right now.

Maybe we dont know. It is possible that they in Talks already and want to Create the Porsche First before they make a Deal with EA.
Or they just dont care that much about Porsche and want to work on other Cars,... first.

The chit-chat about PD only caring about Asia market is old and not true.

Not True? GT has more Asia Cars than others and the User complained about that. It is unbalanced.

I like it, because i like the GT-R,LFA, SuperGT for example.