Forza gets Porsche DLC -will GT5 follow?

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Wow they add 23 cars from older games? And I bet this package will cost about 30$... Maybe it was only a strategy from MS/T10 to not put Porsche in from the beginning to milk the gamers...

But anyway, good news...
 
Sele1981
Wow they add 23 cars from older games? And I bet this package will cost about 30$... Maybe it was only a strategy from MS/T10 to not put Porsche in from the beginning to milk the gamers...

But anyway, good news...
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Lol. Are you angry?
You dont Tell the truth. And i dont know what your Post as to do with this Thread.
 
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No but a known way from T10/MS just like all their Forza ultimate collection and ultimate DLC package and all those other things that made the Forza community angry.

At the moment I dont care about racing games, just playing the hell out of Battlefield 3 :) I have an x360 and Forza 4 but I only played it 20-30 hours. It dont felt right for me. GT does give me a better driving experience.
 
But if what you're suggesting is true and they didn't put Porsche in the game purely through choice so they could add it as DLC, what about all the statements they made about talking with EA about it and not getting anywhere? Don't you think EA would have said "hang on a minute, they do have a license from us, they're conning you?"
 
RX-7_FD3S
Sorry I didnt mean to offend anyone, I have some gay friends and I really have nothing against them. I guess for me it's a figure of speak. My apologies if I hurt anyone, I really didnt mean it.

For the rest of the debate, I wont reply because it's a never ending battle, I already had it on another forum and everyone see it differently.
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I feel ya man. My brother in-law is gay but I use the terms in a non- traditional way. I am on a quest to redefine the term that otherwise means firewood to suit my needs.

On topic: I would love to see Porsche but I think PD will need to adapt, or evolve a bit. They are going to need to be able to churn out more content to remain relevant. Hire some modelers.
 
SimonK
But if what you're suggesting is true and they didn't put Porsche in the game purely through choice so they could add it as DLC, what about all the statements they made about talking with EA about it and not getting anywhere? Don't you think EA would have said "hang on a minute, they do have a license from us, they're conning you?"
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It's far easier for some people to just naturally assume/theorize on the worst possible reasoning behind this, when it's not their preferred game series. Plus, the whole "M$ only wants your money" thing is a pretty common thought process :p.

It's apparent that whatever Porsche cost T10 for their first three games, EA didn't consider that enough when FM4 was in development. Either T10 has paid even more now, to have this DLC, or they came to an agreement on other terms (since we still don't know all the details of what T10 had to do to get this to work). But as GT is an even bigger franchise, and is the original competitor that took down NFS' dominance back in the late 90's, I can't imagine the price tag on Porsche would be less for PD/Sony than it was for T10/Microsoft. EA can charge different amounts for different parties, and considering PD arguably needs a bigger workforce over one marque's inclusion (as illustrious as Porsche's history is), it might be a hard sell to the higher-ups, convincing them to drop large bags of money off at EA's door in exchange for one company. Looking at it with bean-counter logic; if you're already the biggest racing game series in history, would Porsche really change much?

I really doubt we'll see Porsche in GT5. GT6? Slightly more possible, I suppose, if only because there's undoubtedly years before that sees the light of day, so who knows how EA's deal will change during that time.
 
SlipZtrEm
It's far easier for some people to just naturally assume/theorize on the worst possible reasoning behind this, when it's not their preferred game series. Plus, the whole "M$ only wants your money" thing is a pretty common thought process :p.

It's apparent that whatever Porsche cost T10 for their first three games, EA didn't consider that enough when FM4 was in development. Either T10 has paid even more now, to have this DLC, or they came to an agreement on other terms (since we still don't know all the details of what T10 had to do to get this to work). But as GT is an even bigger franchise, and is the original competitor that took down NFS' dominance back in the late 90's, I can't imagine the price tag on Porsche would be less for PD/Sony than it was for T10/Microsoft. EA can charge different amounts for different parties, and considering PD arguably needs a bigger workforce over one marque's inclusion (as illustrious as Porsche's history is), it might be a hard sell to the higher-ups, convincing them to drop large bags of money off at EA's door in exchange for one company. Looking at it with bean-counter logic; if you're already the biggest racing game series in history, would Porsche really change much?

I really doubt we'll see Porsche in GT5. GT6? Slightly more possible, I suppose, if only because there's undoubtedly years before that sees the light of day, so who knows how EA's deal will change during that time.
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This does spell good news for PD, If EA is now willing to be lenient: with that crazy licence. then again it's 20$ DLC and no a season pass will not make it free, You get what you pay for, my opinion? really really worth it. Also did you know xbox/turn 10 had the licence for Ferrari, Had the choice of making it exclusive, but didn't, Good on them, same what PD did for topgear and Nissan, now Forza has GTR spec V n maybe 2012 and top gear, EA needs to stop being so greedy: just like how they made hurayra exclusive... just stupid. Everybody should get to drive everything as equall.

And so stupid how they took 30+ Porsche models from forza to have only about 5 or so on NFS the run.... what happen to Porsche unleash?

EA is just seriously to greedy.

And sele1981 i don't know what your talking about, It's DLC and like i say you pay what you get, EA is not just going to let you drive Porsche models in forza with out them having a "profit" to make. Cause this is EA we are all talking about.
 
TorqueHappenS08
This does spell good news for PD, If EA is now willing to be lenient: with that crazy licence. then again it's 20$ DLC and no a season pass will not make it free, You get what you pay for, my opinion? really really worth it.
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Agree.

TorqueHappenS08
Also did you know xbox/turn 10 had the licence for Ferrari, Had the choice of making it exclusive, but didn't, Good on them, same what PD did for topgear and Nissan, now Forza has GTR spec V n maybe 2012 and top gear, EA needs to stop being so greedy: just like how they made hurayra exclusive... just stupid. Everybody should get to drive everything as equall.
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Well i dont read something about a Top Gear or Nissan exclusiv license for Sony. Can someone confirm that?
I now that MS made a Deal with Top Gear and Pirelli.
I agree with you that exclusiv Manufacture Deals are against Customer :)

TorqueHappenS08
EA is just seriously to greedy.
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Well. EA is a Company and they want Money. Sony and Xbox do that too if a Game is released on their Plattform. But i can't Give you Details ;)
 
ch3ng
Agree.

Well i dont read something about a Top Gear or Nissan exclusiv license for Sony. Can someone confirm that?
I now that MS made a Deal with Top Gear and Pirelli.
I agree with you that exclusiv Manufacture Deals are against Customer :)
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I don't know about Top gear and Nissan being exclusive. But we do know Nissan or the team behind the GTR made it difficult for Turn 10 to acquire the GTR way back before fm3 launch. A guy called 'Tofu R' leaked a bunch of info during the development of the game. Eventually the game did get a GTR but it's widely believed this is why forza only has the V-spec and no other GTR, but we don't know if there's any truth in that last statement. but still there is only that single V-Spec in the game and four years has passed.

This is a peek at what goes on with these license deals

Tofu R
No R35 GTR, because they are a bunch of ***waffles. Apparently the GTR team is independent from the rest of Nissan on many levels, one of them being licensing. The only way they would allow us to use the R35 was if it had no damage, no rollover, no custom wheels, no custom parts that improved performance, no painting, and no livery. So we said no thanks.
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http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/forza-motorsport-3/31626-tofu-r-spills-fm3-beans-***spoilers-2nd-post***.html

It's worth noting everything he and leaked said did happen sooner or later.
 
I don't realy care if they add Porsches to GT5 or 6, we already have a Beetle in the game, why do we need more? :)
 
20B_4ME
I don't realy care if they add Porsches to GT5 or 6, we already have a Beetle in the game, why do we need more? :)
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Good one. :lol:

But really, I hope you're kidding.
 
Porsche better be a good reason as to why Kaz and PD are so quite with the March update and DLC. :(
 
TokoTurismo
Porsche better be a good reason as to why Kaz and PD are so quite with the March update and DLC. :(
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What is PD is actually being quiet because they're modelling the Koenigsegg Agera R and not a Porsche? :lol: :p

/offtopic
 
They haven't introduced Porsche into their games during the last 14 years, so I doubt they will now. Forza has nothing to do with PD.
 
If, and only if EA is actually willing to sell a license to PD for Porsche, I think it's just a matter of making a business case for how much PD should be willing to pay for it. Even if they only break even on a Porsche-DLC package, it would be advisable to do it, because they will get more sales of the full GT5 game out of it. I do think there's some people out there just comparing available cars, and that will sway at least some towards GT5. Also, every user playing GT5 potentially spends more later on DLC.

And that is not even mentioning marketing capabilities with having every major sportscar brand in the game.
 
snowgt
Even if they only break even on a Porsche-DLC package, it would be advisable to do it, because they will get more sales of the full GT5 game out of it./QUOTE]

I don't think Porsche would improve sales in GT or Forza for that matter.
All it does is keep people who have already purchased the game happy. Just a fan service I suppose. With that philosophy there's no reason for PD to implement Porsche other than to keep people happy.
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1241Penguin
What is PD is actually being quiet because they're modelling the Koenigsegg Agera R and not a Porsche? :lol: :p

/offtopic
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That'll be actually cool if they did though. :sly: lol


@Spagetti69

I don't think Porsche would improve sales in GT or Forza for that matter.
All it does is keep people who have already purchased the game happy. Just a fan service I suppose. With that philosophy there's no reason for PD to implement Porsche other than to keep people happy.

That's the same thing I see it myself.
 
I had drawn the cynical conclusion that Turn10 started threatening withholding the Ferrari license on XBox, and EA decided to allow Porsche in Forza 4 in order to keep Ferrari within EA's various upcoming multiplatform racing games.
 
ch3ng
Agree.

Well i dont read something about a Top Gear or Nissan exclusiv license for Sony. Can someone confirm that?
I now that MS made a Deal with Top Gear and Pirelli.
I agree with you that exclusiv Manufacture Deals are against Customer :)

Well. EA is a Company and they want Money. Sony and Xbox do that too if a Game is released on their Plattform. But i can't Give you Details ;)
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Agree, If you look at the history of the EA Titles. You will see it. For example: Sims.
Which company doesn't want to make big money. Activision Blizzard is making heaps of money. It all comes down to Sony and PD if they really want to spend that money or invest into Porsche.
 
Regardless of Porsches in GT5/GT6, something's got to be done with RUF. It's a diamond of a manufacturer. But it's ignored like a rock on the ground.

Imagine Porsche AND RUF in a GT game? Interesting matchups!
 
Insert SpaceEmpire's leak on Porsche dlc below.
 
It would be nice, but Forza 3 had Porsches and GT5 didn't end up having any. We can hope though. I'm sure there's some deal to be made somewhere along the line.

Forza's charging 20 dollars for the pack though, which is sort of a gyp since they were already made (except 7 models) and part of the game anyway (all these cars were in 3 as well) when they unexpectedly were forced to yank them out. Now they get to use it as an excuse to add another 20 dollars to the game's price for doing nothing.
 
CDJW
It would be nice, but Forza 3 had Porsches and GT5 didn't end up having any. We can hope though. I'm sure there's some deal to be made somewhere along the line.

Forza's charging 20 dollars for the pack though, which is sort of a gyp since they were already made (except 7 models) and part of the game anyway (all these cars were in 3 as well) when they unexpectedly were forced to yank them out. Now they get to use it as an excuse to add another 20 dollars to the game's price for doing nothing.
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Look at GT5's first car pack. 30 cars for $20 isn't a gyp. The ones from Forza 3 will handle differently, look better, and sound better.
 
I think gran turismo will never get Porsche nor Ruf for that matter.

My theory: Gran turismo 3 had a secret Porsche ingame. I guess Porsche was so pissed off, second because off the lack of a license agreement. Who knows maybe i'm wrong.

But for Pd not too include even one new Ruf instead of that Polo, Beetle and Golf and MORE japanese cars is just mind boggling. I know they will try to tell me their from Japan and they like to do it their way bla bla bla.
 
CDJW
It would be nice, but Forza 3 had Porsches and GT5 didn't end up having any. We can hope though. I'm sure there's some deal to be made somewhere along the line.

Forza's charging 20 dollars for the pack though, which is sort of a gyp since they were already made (except 7 models) and part of the game anyway (all these cars were in 3 as well) when they unexpectedly were forced to yank them out. Now they get to use it as an excuse to add another 20 dollars to the game's price for doing nothing.
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It's cheaper on a per-car basis than the normal packs (only slightly), and considering that the original price they paid to include Porsche in FM3 was deemed too little for FM4's initial release by EA, it's safe to assume the price tag was bigger for this deal. Do you think it unreasonable to attempt to make that money back?

This is an unusual situation to be in, and having to pay extra for cars that weren't extra in the previous installment is unfortunate, but that's a problem EA has created.

Looking at it from another angle, though - Porsche owes it to PD to hurry up and get in the GT franchise - they already "borrowed" from them for a show car ;)
 
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/03/05/...og/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


An interview with Dan Greenawalt regarding Porsche's involvement in Forza 4. The beginnging offers some details about EA and Porsche's relationship and how EA may grant sub-licenses, etc.

And here's a question about GT5 vs Forza:

Autoblog: Speaking of how you guys are doing, how are Forza and GT5 stacking up right now in terms of both sales and online participation. Is that something you guys monitor closely? The two titles aren't really direct competitors given that you're on different platforms, but at the same time plenty of households own both an Xbox 360 and a PS3. There are only so many dollars in the universe.

Dan Greenawalt: You're right that we're spiritually competitors but we are on different platforms. I don't have any information regarding their sales and the like. I do know that Forza Motorsport 4 has been doing really well. Forza 4 has sold faster than any previous Forzas. If that continues, it's going to be our best-selling game to date. Obviously we haven't done aggressive bundling yet. It's all been doing fantastic sales on its own.
 
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