Forza Horizon 2 To Disappear From Xbox Store September 30
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I'm aware it was developed by Sumo Digital, and Sumo doesn't exactly have the best track record in terms of polish, but it seemed to me like it was rushed to launch.
My problems with it didn't really have anything to do with what the XB360 could or couldn't handle -- it was things like the amount of glitches in the map (and their severity), the poor AI, and the number of times the game locked up on me.
Lain
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- Yaywalter
Methinks there are other reasons why GT6 was delisted, namely the fact you can't update the game from scratch without corrupting the game data unless you go through an extremely tedious process of downloading them one at a time and launching the game after each one to install them before downloading another... and even this isn't necessarily guaranteed. I just tried it again about a week ago, got up to version 1.13 before my install got corrupted.
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- Lma_robot
- lImaRobotl
Why would a completely different and isolated game corrupt a digital download when they have the source files that wouldn’t require any tinkering to the available product that’s in stores?
Either way, that’s supposedly the route that Forza games took and it never interrupted anything from a previous iteration.
Edit: I completly misunderstood
that sounds like an even worse reason than not having licenses anymore. That’s just incompetence if that’s the case.Another weird thing is that the servers for GT are shut down too, so even if you had a fine copy of the game you can’t even play online, which isn’t the case for the Forza games, if I’m not mistaken.
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- KiroKai
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This is getting extensive
I don't demand to keep it on sale forever, though I wouldn't defend timed licenses - I simply find 4 years silly short. I detailed my reasons throughout that post. If stuff no longer earns any revenue I fear these titles will end like FM1-4/PGR and stay completely inaccessible on future tech. I'd hate that, in particular with FH2, so I'm protesting, that's all. Most publishers seem to do 10 year contracts and I'd agree that's a reasonable time frame, especially when the game is available in various ways by then. Ideally digital distribution should mean minimal cost to keep offering digital content for those interested. As Kyle pointed out, servers are still live (mostly) for older titles. FH1 got the 4K One X patch a couple months after it was taken off store. Luckily MS has changed direction for now, coming off the X1 launch...
It's not like EA went cheap on car licenses - they cancelled Burnout in favour of NFS, signed Porsche exclusive, had Lamborghini in every and Ferrari in some releases (known for being the two most expensive), many BMW features, Bugatti, Pagani, Koenigsegg, ... The car lists were shorter and had less obscure choices, but they always license expensive brands for 10 years. Besides, EA isn't the benchmark. Just a greedy, comparable example. Codemasters also seem to do 10 years, with all sorts of brands and racing classes. R* too.
That's what I wrote, I think you got me wrong - especially the FH games are unique, not iterations. Making agreements last just four years was daft from the start, particularly after the success of FM4 and FH1. License deals for FH2 must have been made when Xbox One was still under Don Mattrick's terrible lead, which didn't help, but it means they even had visions of completely digital-only Xbox games. That should've made them reconsider and finally change or remove that clause, it's archaic and doesn't fit with digital selling at all. Yet for all we know it might still be a rule for new titles.
Possible they have similar agreements, GT6 is a traditional title though. Sony appears set on no PS3 titles on PS4. Frankly, with servers done, I have no interest in playing GT6 on newer hardware either, I'd much rather see proper GT7 soon. Still, being de-listed affects the games differently. In GT6: 1200 cars, all additional content is included in free patches you can still download (with broken installers lol). FH2 on X1 has 351 cars (338 playable); 134 are downloadable content + 2 expansions with careers which include a new map + a standalone extra game + various small stuff. If you're missing any extra purchase, soon it's gone forever.
I don't demand to keep it on sale forever, though I wouldn't defend timed licenses - I simply find 4 years silly short. I detailed my reasons throughout that post. If stuff no longer earns any revenue I fear these titles will end like FM1-4/PGR and stay completely inaccessible on future tech. I'd hate that, in particular with FH2, so I'm protesting, that's all. Most publishers seem to do 10 year contracts and I'd agree that's a reasonable time frame, especially when the game is available in various ways by then. Ideally digital distribution should mean minimal cost to keep offering digital content for those interested. As Kyle pointed out, servers are still live (mostly) for older titles. FH1 got the 4K One X patch a couple months after it was taken off store. Luckily MS has changed direction for now, coming off the X1 launch...
It's not like EA went cheap on car licenses - they cancelled Burnout in favour of NFS, signed Porsche exclusive, had Lamborghini in every and Ferrari in some releases (known for being the two most expensive), many BMW features, Bugatti, Pagani, Koenigsegg, ... The car lists were shorter and had less obscure choices, but they always license expensive brands for 10 years. Besides, EA isn't the benchmark. Just a greedy, comparable example. Codemasters also seem to do 10 years, with all sorts of brands and racing classes. R* too.
That's what I wrote, I think you got me wrong - especially the FH games are unique, not iterations. Making agreements last just four years was daft from the start, particularly after the success of FM4 and FH1. License deals for FH2 must have been made when Xbox One was still under Don Mattrick's terrible lead, which didn't help, but it means they even had visions of completely digital-only Xbox games. That should've made them reconsider and finally change or remove that clause, it's archaic and doesn't fit with digital selling at all. Yet for all we know it might still be a rule for new titles.
Possible they have similar agreements, GT6 is a traditional title though. Sony appears set on no PS3 titles on PS4. Frankly, with servers done, I have no interest in playing GT6 on newer hardware either, I'd much rather see proper GT7 soon. Still, being de-listed affects the games differently. In GT6: 1200 cars, all additional content is included in free patches you can still download (with broken installers lol). FH2 on X1 has 351 cars (338 playable); 134 are downloadable content + 2 expansions with careers which include a new map + a standalone extra game + various small stuff. If you're missing any extra purchase, soon it's gone forever.
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- mekonrider
These situations are why PC games are better. Assetto Corsa on PC discontinued. So what! MODS, MODS AND MORE MODS! This is also when piracy comes in useful and you can just download a version with full DLC even if it's not sold anymore.
Much prefer Horizon 2 to 3 though. Prefer the euro-vibe to the aussie-hoon.
Much prefer Horizon 2 to 3 though. Prefer the euro-vibe to the aussie-hoon.
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- Lma_robot
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Yeah, and I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree with the opinion or how it was formed. Either way, we're all just playing a guessing game.
That's where I disagree. Digital content is a reason why the licenses would have to be prolonged for so long as they're still supporting the product through digital download. If it was all hard disc, and nothing but, then they could let the licenses expire as soon as they stop supporting the game with post-launch DLC, which is likely a year in. That is where I think the problem lies with the digital age. If youre still selling it digitally then you still have to uphold those licenses I would imagine, where as if it was purely hard-disc like in the past, the license deal would be one-and-done, I would imagine. Again, that's just a guess though.
Yeah, and any expensive brand that EA gets, T10 has tenfold more in every direction. You gotta think, if they're supporting games from 4-5 iterations ago, then they have to hold a license for every single car in every single game that is out. Forza 7 with 700+, and Horizon 4 with 400-500~ is a lot for only counting two games of the what, 4-5 that have been out? Of course there will be some overlap, but there is vastly more cars for them to cover than EA.
Every single game you've listed is significantly smaller than the one you're comparing it too. Like I mentioned, the only other one of this scale seemed to shut down in a similar time frame. Why that is, we don't know.
An iteration just means next in the series - FH4 is the next iteration of Fh3.
And then maybe not so much, following immediately after the lackluster general consensus that FM5 formed.
Thats the thing, "for all we know" is absolutely nothing. We don't know if this is what's even going on.
Regardless of such, there was a massive fan base still there. Servers and everything, so even if you buy the game you are losing out more than FH2 in this case if you're a multiplayer fan. However, most of the game is still available regardless, for both.
Not according to @Lain, who can't even get through the download phase because it gets corrupted every time. I wonder if that's linked to the fact that the servers are offline, essentially rendering it an offline game? Who knows, it all is a bit weird - You're correct though, if you don't snag this free version with all the content, then you're out of luck unless you go buy a physical version.
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- MrCrynox
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- Mr Crynox
Yep you got that right, I only started playing it last month and right now I can't put it down, I'm loving it. I should have played it ages ago! I just hope that the servers for road trips and rivals come back online..
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- pacomo313
Does this mean that if I have the digital version, I'll lose it after September 30?
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- Lma_robot
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No, it means that it wont be purchasable digitally anymore.
