Forza Motorsport 7: General Discussion

[Nielsen]

I missed this month's stream - did they give any update on when the Racing Regs are coming?

The show is on Turn 10's YouTube channel. Race Regulations might appear next month in an experimental phase limited to one event. Still no time frame on full implementation.

 

[ShakesMcQueen]

The show is on Turn 10's YouTube channel. Race Regulations might appear next month in an experimental phase limited to one event. Still no time frame on full implementation.

Ugh, I understand why it's taking a while to develop, because it's a big change and they don't want it to be a trainwreck - but man it's taking a long time. Didn't we first hear about this coming back in like June...?

That's a long time to keep stringing along people about a feature that is in pretty high demand. I hope it's worth the wait.

 

[Blackdog8]

Will Forza Motorsport ever not have a million walls at the tracks?

 

[Cloudy]

Ugh, I understand why it's taking a while to develop, because it's a big change and they don't want it to be a trainwreck - but man it's taking a long time. Didn't we first hear about this coming back in like June...?

That's a long time to keep stringing along people about a feature that is in pretty high demand. I hope it's worth the wait.

Forget that, race regulations were confirmed BEFORE LAUNCH.

 

[Nielsen]

So with the TVR Cerbera Speed 12 (FH4 base game) and Ferrari GTC4Lusso (FH4 Car Pass) having made the jump to FM7, any of these should have a chance too:

Spoiler: FH4 cars not currently in FM7

2018 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio
1973 AMC Gremlin X
1974 AMC Hornet X
2012 Ascari KZ1R
1969 Aston Martin DBS
2010 Aston Martin DB10
2018 Aston Martin Vantage
1964 Austin FX4 Taxi
1958 Austin-Healey Sprite MKI
1965 Austin-Healey 3000 MKIII
1931 Bentley 4-1/2 Litre Supercharged
1931 Bentley 8-Litre
2002 BMW M3 GTR
2018 BMW i8 Roadster
2018 BMW M5
2019 BMW Z4
1959 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz Convertible
2018 Can-Am Maverick X RS Turbo R
2015 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
2018 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 DeBerti Design
2018 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE
2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
2018 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon
2011 DS Automobiles DS3 Racing
2012 Eagle Speedster
2018 Exomotive Exocet Off-Road
2005 Ferrari FXX
1959 Ford Anglia 105E
1964 Ford GT40 MKI
1965 Ford Transit
1968 Ford Mustang GT 2+2 Fastback
1986 Ford Escort RS Turbo
2017 Ford #14 Rahal Letterman Racing GRC Fiesta
2017 Ford M-Sport Fiesta RS
2018 Ford Mustang GT
2018 Ford Mustang GT DeBerti Design
2018 Funco Motorsports F9
1966 Hillman Imp
1974 Honda Civic RS
2003 Honda S2000
2005 Honda NSX-R GT
2016 Honda Civic Coupe GRC
1965 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford 'Hoonicorn' Mustang
1977 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford F-150 ‘Hoonitruck’
1986 Hoonigan RS200 Evolution
1991 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford Escort Cosworth Group A
2015 Hoonigan Gymkhana 8 Ford Fiesta ST RX43
2016 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford Focus RS RX
2017 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford Fiesta ST
1952 Hudson Hornet
1953 Jaguar C-Type
1964 Jaguar Lightweight E-Type
2010 Jaguar C-X75
2002 Koenigsegg CC8S
2017 Koenigsegg Agera RS
1972 Lamborghini Jarama S
2012 Lamborghini Aventador J
2012 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 570-4 Spyder Performante
2019 Lamborghini Urus
1973 Land Rover Range Rover
1977 Lotus Esprit S1
2002 Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A
2014 McLaren 650S Spider
2018 McLaren Senna
1929 Mercedes-Benz Super Sport Kurz Barker Roadster
2014 Mercedes-Benz Unimog U5023
1938 MG TA Midget
1966 MG MGB GT
1986 MG Metro 6R4
2010 Morgan Aero SuperSports
2014 Morgan 3 Wheeler
2018 Morgan Aero GT
1953 Morris Minor Series II Traveler
1958 Morris Minor 1000
2010 Mosler MT900S
2018 Nissan Sentra Nismo
1963 Opel Kadett A
1962 Peel P50
1965 Peel Trident
1959 Porsche 356A 1600 Super
1985 Porsche #185 959 Prodrive Rally Raid
1993 Porsche 968 Turbo S
2015 Porsche Cayman GTS
2019 Porsche 911 Carrera S
2017 RAM Rebel 1500 TRX Concept
2010 Saleen S5S Raptor
1967 Sunbeam Tiger
1979 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus
1962 Triumph Spitfire
1962 Triumph TR3B
1970 Triumph TR6 PI
2001 TVR Tuscan S
2018 TVR Griffith
2004 Vauxhall VX220 Turbo
2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR
2010 Vauxhall Insignia VXR
1966 Volkswagen Double Cab Pickup
1969 Volkswagen Class 5/1600 Baja Bug
1983 Volkswagen Golf GTI
2017 Volkswagen #34 Volkswagen Andretti Rallycross Beetle
2016 Volvo Iron Knight

Excuse me for not having bothered to list any Forza Edition cars.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

The James Bond cars... I don't think so.

I kinda refuse to believe it takes so much time to convert the assets back to FM7 format. The car models are all T10, they can probably do it in minutes. The cost of licensing shouldn't be much either.

With T10's decision to support FM7 beyond intended lifespan, we have a few problems:

- You can transfer designs from FM7 to FH4 but not the other way around. So cars like the Speed 12 are suffering from lack of designs in FM7.
- It feels as if the bulk of licensing money is going towards FH4 when the latter gets so many more cars.
- You can make cars look cooler in FH4 because of track width and wheel paint groups, both absent from FM7.

To fans of Forza Motorsport, the existence of Forza Horizon has now become an inconvenience more than anything.

 

[WFO Krypto]

The James Bond cars... I don't think so.

I kinda refuse to believe it takes so much time to convert the assets back to FM7 format. The car models are all T10, they can probably do it in minutes. The cost of licensing shouldn't be much either.

With T10's decision to support FM7 beyond intended lifespan, we have a few problems:

- You can transfer designs from FM7 to FH4 but not the other way around. So cars like the Speed 12 are suffering from lack of designs in FM7.
- It feels as if the bulk of licensing money is going towards FH4 when the latter gets so many more cars.
- You can make cars look cooler in FH4 because of track width and wheel paint groups, both absent from FM7.

To fans of Forza Motorsport, the existence of Forza Horizon has now become an inconvenience more than anything.

I could give two ****z about FH4, and what cars they have that FM7 doesn't, or what paint or options for cars, etc etc. Plain and simple, real racers will not take FH4 serious. It's an arcade game. For kids. FM7 is for racers.

 

[Blackdog8]

I could give two ****z about FH4, and what cars they have that FM7 doesn't, or what paint or options for cars, etc etc. Plain and simple, real racers will not take FH4 serious. It's an arcade game. For kids. FM7 is for racers.

Even if you could race legitimately on FH4, given plenty of courses, disciplines, and the ability to create routes, the AI is a HUGE joke.

I wish they'd just go all in on FM7 given no new game this year.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

I could give two ****z about FH4, and what cars they have that FM7 doesn't, or what paint or options for cars, etc etc. Plain and simple, real racers will not take FH4 serious. It's an arcade game. For kids. FM7 is for racers.

I'm inclined to agree, but I'm looking at the big picture, the community is more than the racing, there's painters, photographers, etc. My form/function bias is about 40/60. Also, I don't want to see hints that the developer neglects one game because the other one is newer and shinier. It's already an uphill battle to get T10 to do certain things and now us who play Motorsport even have to compete for content with Horizon.

You mentioned in the other thread you only race online class hoppers, that's fine, but there are people who like class and don't like online, they can't do it in FM7 ATM because the AI doesn't scale to your performance like it does in FH4. This game still needs a lot in terms of features and the customization I referred to earlier adds variety and thus interest.

Truth be told, the FH4 "Blueprint" feature loved by many is useless to people who like me want to see varied grids, as the game will pick from your friends' most used cars and in some cases even a list of 20 eligible cars will result in a Ford spec series. FH3 was much superior in this regard.

And like you said before FH4 itself is on a path to become even more arcade. These "missions" they added are like the Zero missions in GTA you complete to generate income. Forza Horizon is a game in which everything you do awards exp points and now there's even a "story". It's not just about having some fun in a beautiful place anymore, we need a "story" because people these days are too stupid to play games that are simply... games.

 

[PJTierney]

Forget that, race regulations were confirmed BEFORE LAUNCH.

They were rumoured before launch, only site that made the claim was AR12 and people picked it up from there.

We didn't get confirmation of their intention until one of the Forza Monthlies.

 

[Nielsen]

I could give two ****z about FH4, and what cars they have that FM7 doesn't, or what paint or options for cars, etc etc. Plain and simple, real racers will not take FH4 serious. It's an arcade game. For kids. FM7 is for racers.

Sarcasm? If not, many of the cars in FM7 were first introduced in FH3. I suppose you don't care about those too?

 

[WFO Krypto]

Sarcasm? If not, many of the cars in FM7 were first introduced in FH3. I suppose you don't care about those too?

No sarcasm at all. Forza Horizon is an arcade game for kids. I have no interest in playing an arcade game, to get a realistic racing experience. I said nothing of the cars, it's the opinion of the game coming from an ex-racer and current online racer. If I want to play a tamed down version of Grand Theft Auto, maybe I will look into Horizon. Don't hold your breath.

 

[Nielsen]

No sarcasm at all. Forza Horizon is an arcade game for kids. I have no interest in playing an arcade game, to get a realistic racing experience. I said nothing of the cars, it's the opinion of the game coming from an ex-racer and current online racer. If I want to play a tamed down version of Grand Theft Auto, maybe I will look into Horizon. Don't hold your breath.

You actually did say you "could give two ****z about FH4, and what cars they have that FM7 doesn't". Hence my question, but never mind.

 

[WFO Krypto]

You actually did say you "could give two ****z about FH4, and what cars they have that FM7 doesn't". Hence my question, but never mind.

..........and I still don't care what cars are in FH4 and not in FM7. If they are not in FM7, then they aren't worth worrying about.

 

[Northstar]

..........and I still don't care what cars are in FH4 and not in FM7. If they are not in FM7, then they aren't worth worrying about.

You do realize you aren't the only user of this website right? Just because you couldn't care less doesn't mean everyone shares that same viewpoint.

 

[WFO Krypto]

You do realize you aren't the only user of this website right? Just because you couldn't care less doesn't mean everyone shares that same viewpoint.

The point being, the two games are not even close to being the same. They will never be the same. To think that T10 has plans to make everything available equally in both games is just a pipe dream. The Forza Horizon platform will continue to evolve more and more towards a politically correct version of Grand Theft Auto. It will always get more attention from T10 than FM7 because FH4 is what the kids want to play. There are way more players for them to get from GTA than there are from the competitors of FM7.

We will only see Horizon and Motorsports grow further apart. There will be more things that one has than the other. And for me, the more of the kids they get off of Motorsports and onto Horizon the better.

 

[Cloudy]

That's like the epitome of closed-minded.

 

[Northstar]

The point being, the two games are not even close to being the same.

They really aren't that far apart, Horizon is a tad more forgiving, but it still feels fairly similar to the Motorsport series handling wise.

To think that T10 has plans to make everything available equally in both games is just a pipe dream.

Nobody is saying everything, just the cars, which makes sense since they are modeled to the same standard for both games.

The Forza Horizon platform will continue to evolve more and more towards a politically correct version of Grand Theft Auto. It will always get more attention from T10 than FM7 because FH4 is what the kids want to play. There are way more players for them to get from GTA than there are from the competitors of FM7.

Have you actually played any Horizon or GTA title?

 

[WFO Krypto]

"And like you said before FH4 itself is on a path to become even more arcade. These "missions" they added are like the Zero missions in GTA you complete to generate income. Forza Horizon is a game in which everything you do awards exp points and now there's even a "story". It's not just about having some fun in a beautiful place anymore, we need a "story" because people these days are too stupid to play games that are simply... games."

I have played GTA. Years ago. I tried the Free Weekend or Week of Horizon. Lasted about 1 hour when I knew that it was NOT a SIM racing game.

Okay, so I will end this debate. But don't forget our discussion come 3-5 years from now when you can start stealing cars from people on Horizon.

 

[Nielsen]

To think that T10 has plans to make everything available equally in both games is just a pipe dream.

That's not what the list I shared is trying to suggest.

 

[-Fred-]

Lasted about 1 hour when I knew that it was NOT a SIM racing game.

I'm a huge fan of FM in general, been for quite some time, I've been known to defend the title once in a while against the criticism and will admit it does have it's moments of realism... but it's not an actual sim racing game in the slightest.

 

[Techlet]

The point being, the two games are not even close to being the same. They will never be the same. To think that T10 has plans to make everything available equally in both games is just a pipe dream.

Horizon and Motorsport are much closer than, say, Motorsport and PCars (which in turn would be closer than PCars and iRacing).

Saying Motorsport is a real man's sim is like saying fish is a type of vegetable.

 

[ClydeYellow]

No sarcasm at all. Forza Horizon is an arcade game for kids

There must be a subreddit for people saying that arcade games are for kids... r/gatekeeping, maybe?

 

[HyperSpeeder]

I'm a huge fan of FM in general, been for quite some time, I've been known to defend the title once in a while against the criticism and will admit it does have it's moments of realism... but it's not an actual sim racing game in the slightest.

There are quite a few milestones it needs to achieve in order to bridge the gap and a revamp of the FFB system is a start. IMO it can go full sim while retaining the accessibility. It's already modular enough to let unskilled people have fun with it.

But then, the bulk of the Forza Motorsport community drives with a controller and that's perfectly fine. Online is built on short sprints and full sim features tend to go against that. Being controller-based does not mean the game takes less skill to play at all. I'm not a bad driver, but I'm still seconds off the pace of the top guys, and they use the same controller I do.

Horizon and Motorsport are much closer than, say, Motorsport and PCars (which in turn would be closer than PCars and iRacing).

Saying Motorsport is a real man's sim is like saying fish is a type of vegetable.

This is partly because the physics engine of a double set of Forza games (2/5, 3/6 and now 4/7) is exactly the same. When FH3 came out, Playground said the physics was the same as FM6 and the tires were tweaked to different behavior. Heck, Horizon is probably the most realistic arcade game there is.

 

[Populuxe]

I could give two ****z about FH4, and what cars they have that FM7 doesn't, or what paint or options for cars, etc etc. Plain and simple, real racers will not take FH4 serious. It's an arcade game. For kids. FM7 is for racers.

God, I hate purists.

I've seen this with every fandom I've ever been a part of. There are always purists who disparage anyone who doesn't enjoy the hobby or fandom in exactly the same way they do. Those people are "casuals" or "NPCs". They're not real fans like the purists.

The problem with purity is when you declare what is pure and what is not, you limit it. You make it smaller. You make it less fun. You make it less welcoming. You become a gatekeeper rather than a fan.

I would never insult you for enjoying a game I don't like. Why would I? It's your money and your time. Buy what you like and don't buy what you don't like. I just ask that you show others the same consideration.

 

[SimTourist]

FM7 is for racers.

I don't really agree, both the singleplayer and the multiplayer parts of FM7 are a complete disaster, possibly the worst AI in a current racer makes SP a joke, and the dumb kids in MP make it a joke as well, it's only ever good for hotlapping. Combined with 2006 level graphics it's not very compelling as a racer.

 

[Northstar]

Combined with 2006 level graphics it's not very compelling as a racer.

What racing games were you playing in 2006? All the ones I played looked nothing like FM7.

 

[Techlet]

What racing games were you playing in 2006? All the ones I played looked nothing like FM7.

You're right. Most racing games from 2006 actually had 3D looking trees.

 

[ShakesMcQueen]

What racing games were you playing in 2006? All the ones I played looked nothing like FM7.

Wait, which one of those screenshots is Forza Motorsport 7? They all look the same to me. Is this some kind of practical joke, or test?

 

[ShakesMcQueen]

Horizon and Motorsport are much closer than, say, Motorsport and PCars (which in turn would be closer than PCars and iRacing).

Saying Motorsport is a real man's sim is like saying fish is a type of vegetable.

Frankly, unless you're playing in some sort of whimsical future machine that can simulate the real strain and physical toll of the G-forces involved in racing, every game is sort-of a farce as a "simulator".

Oh, you can nail your braking line on Monza? That's cool. Now do it while simultaneously pulling 6 G's in an F1 car.