Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

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Yeah, the Evo is nitpicking. The R32, 300Z, and Lambo Countach are legit complaints. But hey if we only have 5 out of 505 complaints, that's not too shabby.
Well Reddit managed to confirm 7 mediocre models in FH5 likely to be in FM2023 too, not even including the Countach or the Evo VI (or the F40 I believe). So let's call it 10 out of 500, which is 2%! :scared:


Credit where credit is due, some of those models really are showing their age.


Having said that, I really don't care in the slightest. My purchasing decision for Forza is 0% affected by these 10 old models being reused.
 
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Just a quick comparison. Very different lighting but the 3d-model is pretty much identical.

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Whole rear end of the car looks to be remodelled, differences across the doors, front arch, mirror. Definitely not identical.
 
I'm quite sure that the "differences" come from the lighting coming from a different direction, reflections and possibly a slightly different camera angle.

Because here below is a comparison between FM3 and FM7 and the shape of the 3d model is identical. Based on that trailer, I don't think that the 3d model has been redone.

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Textures, rims/tyres and some bottom parts are the only difference.

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Edit: okay, there seems to be a small correction in the rear lights, but you can see how the same 3d models are used.

Edit2: FM7 rear / FM8 rear
 
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Same models used in FM4 but now with updated resolution. I guess everyone just looks past that because it was well made. Vehicles are the same but look better thanks to XBX and XBSS so its a mood point to me. Obviously many are much moodier.
 
Same models used in FM4 but now with updated resolution. I guess everyone just looks past that because it was well made. Vehicles are the same but look better thanks to XBX and XBSS so its a mood point to me. Obviously many are much moodier.
Sometimes that’s all you need, the power to throw more polygons at a model.
 
you know what is funny?, that forum posts still is below 100 votes yet, and is like the 3rd day since i had told people to go voice frustrations there
Some of the people complaining about the models probably aren't in a hurry for a solution and just want to complain. Basically vent their frustrations. It's like if someone comes home from work and just wants to talk about all of the things that annoyed them, like if you work in retail and some entitled customer comes up to go on and on about a stupid coupon.
 
Some of the people complaining about the models probably aren't in a hurry for a solution and just want to complain. Basically vent their frustrations. It's like if someone comes home from work and just wants to talk about all of the things that annoyed them, like if you work in retail and some entitled customer comes up to go on and on about a stupid coupon.
My fear is that it affects the sucess of game beacuse potential people may take their decisions seriously and avoid buying, dont want this game to fail beacuse of 5 annoying people....
 
Same models used in FM4 but now with updated resolution. I guess everyone just looks past that because it was well made. Vehicles are the same but look better thanks to XBX and XBSS so its a mood point to me. Obviously many are much moodier.
What you mean by updaded resolution?

Here are 911 SC 3d models from FM4 and Horizon 5, it is pretty much identical. The interior is also completely the same, but the doors are different due to Forza Vista. And of course, using the same 3d models is not a bad thing when they are well made. It's just that, as we know, so many are poorly modeled.

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He means display resolution. And improved display lighting. And improved display of materials.

After all, we all know that the quality of lighting is what takes a game model and elevates it to realism or casts it aside as "gamey".
 
My fear is that it affects the sucess of game beacuse potential people may take their decisions seriously and avoid buying, dont want this game to fail beacuse of 5 annoying people....
I wouldn't worry about that much if I were you. The comments you're reading have always been there since the beginning of the XONE games and will continue to be there afterwards. This is the same case for probably any vg franchise, not just FM or racing games in
general.

Also fyi, I did make a vote on the thread you linked. Thanks for sharing that, I think I might mention that later to my subscribers. I'm a small channel, but every little bit helps right?
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With that said, I also have to admit I'm saddened that Turn 10 didn't do a full rescan of the Lancer Evo VI (I even mentioned it on Twitter to note). I really don't like that they continue to reuse certain models that date back to the original Xbox days. And yes, I know for a fact they have updated these 3d models with new textures and modelling on some of the parts. But it still irks me they keep using the same old base.

To explain why this bothers me, it feels akin to just rebuilding a wrecked car with a crooked chassis rather than starting all over again from scratch. It could for sure look nice and function well in the end result, but things will end up looking off about it. I mean looking at the Evo VI, I will say it's not the worst example for sure. and I honestly think it looks fine from a distance (the headlights distract me though).

Though when looking at something like the Impreza 22B or R32 Skyline GT-R; that becomes really distracting.
 
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An issue I have with the usage of legacy models is that their consequences don't end at just those specific models; sometimes they use wonky models as a base for new variants of an existing car.
 
Also fyi, I did make a vote on the thread you linked. Thanks for sharing that, I think I might mention that later to my subscribers. I'm a small channel, but every little bit helps right?
be free to share away the Forza Forums, the more people know about the feedback forums the better things will be, not just about car models but about tracks and cars too
wonky models as a base for new variants of an existing car
What you mean?
 
I cannot believe the car models is the biggest talk of FM right now.
Tell me about it... at least some of them are decent with some legacy models getting remastered should be a fair priority.

And if you think FM legacy asset cars are ugly, then I got something much worse. This Golf V asset from ETS2 is over 15 years old and it looks absolutely ghastly. I know it's a PC game with unlicensed traffic cars, but sheesh.
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It's certainly showing its age... really, really poorly. While I can hardly blame the fact that this was developed by a team with limited manpower back in 2008, the analogy kinda connects.

Back to Forza, the Lancer Evo 6 is at least marginally better but still could use a rework. Pretty much every legacy Forza car needs some sort of overhaul... or you'll wind up with this thing above. It's also rather disingenuous to call these old cars as FM1 cars, since graphical changes will have occured. Yet the fanbase keeps prodding on the statement, and you can understand it gets tiresome.
 
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Basically need to start a new subreddit for Motorsport, all people seem to care about on the current one is the number of tracks and the car models. If you bring up the new features forza Motorsport is introducing they just say “but other games have had those features for years” there literally no winning. Alternatively completely abandoned the subreddit and post here lol
 
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Basically need to start a new subreddit for Motorsport, all people seem to care about on the current one is the number of tracks and the car models. If you bring up the new features forza Motorsport is introducing they just say “but other games have had those features for years” there literally no winning. Alternatively completely abandoned the subreddit and post here lol

Same thing every thread devolves to, discussing what's immediately visible. The rest of us will be more reasonable and do what I've been saying we should in this thread entirely too many times: wait until you played it to appreciate everything.
 
Yes, all versions of the store say that on the RDCP page itself, but that's still the only place its shown. Every store also lists it as not part of the Deluxe Edition on the game versions page.

Here's Iceland:

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Again, the Race Day Car Pass page says it's in the Deluxe Edition, literally everything else says it isn't.
Right, you said "locations", I thought, "locations around the world".
 
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Basically need to start a new subreddit for Motorsport, all people seem to care about on the current one is the number of tracks and the car models. If you bring up the new features forza Motorsport is introducing they just say “but other games have had those features for years” there literally no winning. Alternatively completely abandoned the subreddit and post here lol
I had made a post about asking people to vote in the forums for the car models just to see what people would do or say
the post was totally ignored, only 5 upvotes so far

 
you know what is funny?, that forum posts still is below 100 votes yet, and is like the 3rd day since i had told people to go voice frustrations there
It's because many who are voicing their frustration about it aren't even bothering to go into the Suggestions Hub in the Forza Forums to vote for it. And the fact it's hardly voted is why we still have these models; T10 aren't concerned about it. Thus, they will continue to update them without having to rescan them. Besides, those cars don't bother me anyway. I have like hundreds of other cars to drive at launch.
Tell me about it... at least some of them are decent with some legacy models getting remastered should be a fair priority.

And if you think FM legacy asset cars are ugly, then I got something much worse. This Golf V asset from ETS2 is over 15 years old and it looks absolutely ghastly. I know it's a PC game with unlicensed traffic cars, but sheesh.
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It's certainly showing its age... really, really poorly. While I can hardly blame the fact that this was developed by a team with limited manpower back in 2008, the analogy kinda connects.

Back to Forza, the Lancer Evo 6 is at least marginally better but still could use a rework. Pretty much every legacy Forza car needs some sort of overhaul... or you'll wind up with this thing above. It's also rather disingenuous to call these old cars as FM1 cars, since graphical changes will have occured. Yet the fanbase keeps prodding on the statement, and you can understand it gets tiresome.
Indeed. At the very least that looks a lot better than...this.
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Directly ported from PS2's GT4 mind you. Despite some parts or proportions being off FM's legacy models, at least T10 actually updates them. The bit "they're ports from FM1" is hilarious. If that was the case, you'd see the two cars above. Speaking of FM1, FM4 had these models too and no one cared. You know, the suppose "GOAT" T10 has ever mode (more like overrated, yeah I said it.)

At lease some legacy models get the 'Forzavista treatment' as well, like this one.
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Mind you, I'm not against these models needing a re-scan/remodel. All I'm saying is I couldn't careless about it. I would rather hear the opinions about the single player, physics and multiplayer from sim racers who ignored Forza due to it's "arcadey" nature; sim racers who don't care about how the cars look, but how they drive and compete with other cars. I hope the new direction enables T10 to build a new fandom that takes advantage of the game's features and so forth, with discussions to improve them as well as the game itself, for example.
 
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GT7 can have all the details they want in a car does not rub the fact it is one of the most disappointing racing games I played.

Disappointed with No Monza and Bathurst but still if it offers a good career mode I think FM 2023 will be good.

I also believe the game will get proper updates compared to GT7.

Who remembers how GT7 will be fixed with proper updates LOL
 
The bit "they're ports from FM1" is hilarious. If that was the case, you'd see the two cars above. Speaking of FM1, FM4 had these models too and no one cared. You know, the suppose "GOAT" T10 has ever mode (more like overrated, yeah I said it.)
In fairness Toko, I should point out that it's likely when some people say "they're ports from FM1", they don't mean they just copy/pasted the same models and called it a day. They probably meant the same thing I meant on them being the original old models updated with new textures and pieces in areas. But yes, I have encountered some low-brow comments when I was critical of these models on Twitter (because of course that happens on Twitter, it's Twitter).

and fyi, you're wrong about FM4. It's the goat! :P
 
The console warriors on Twitter have made it very difficult to find people actually discussing the game instead of listing games that Xbox has over PS5.
 
The console warriors on Twitter have made it very difficult to find people actually discussing the game instead of listing games that Xbox has over PS5.
I hate that
Here and few places are the only places that are talking about the game
i am trying to filter the console talk but today only i saw was news of bigger racing youtubers talking they got review copies

I should point out that it's likely when some people say "they're ports from FM1", they don't mean they just copy/pasted the same models and called it a day. They probably meant the same thing I meant on them being the original old models updated with new textures and pieces in areas
Some people unironically think they had not updated the models all this time, some even think they havent changed AT ALL
 
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Update about the model votes
It reached 70 votes, it is 3x votes than it had 3days ago, but still is not even closer of biggest request of its category (90) and even more far away from the most voted cars (1000+)
 
Gt7 is a major stepup in sound department campared to gt6, its now on par with forza, they are just good on different cars
While they are definitely an improvement GT sounds are not on Forza level, they still sound too muffled on almost all of the high performance and race cars and the sounds do not include any semblance of an intake whatsoever which takes quite alot of immersion out of the car sounds IMO.
 
Update about the model votes
It reached 70 votes, it is 3x votes than it had 3days ago, but still is not even closer of biggest request of its category (90) and even more far away from the most voted cars (1000+)
I wonder, if t10 goes ahead and prioritizes rescanning these 20-30 cars, whether it would interfere with other live service plans. In theory they could commission 3rd party companies to send them a model, but they would still need time to implement it in game. This may or may not interfere with adding free cars and tracks.

Imo they need to prioritize tracks, because it will be felt more than outdated and inaccurate car models.
 
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