Forza Motorsport Update 22: Logitech G Challenge, Returning Tours, But No New Content

[AudiMan2011]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Forza Motorsport Update 22: Logitech G Challenge, Returning Tours, But No New Content​

September has rolled around to welcome the release of Update 22 for all Forza Motorsport players on consoles and PC...

 

[GBalao888]

The next update (Update 23) could come by January, and I believe (almost) all tours would return by January 2027 if they keep it up at this rate.

But with no new content makes me wonder if this game still even has a future.

 

[breyzipp]

This game is as dead as a doornail. When they said they would “continue to support” Forza Motorsport that was mentioned alongside “continued support” for Forza Horizon 5. And we all know that last game is EoL and support for it basically means there are no new bugs to tackle and keeping the servers up and sunning. That’s the exact same state FM23 is in. For me this is a 100% certainty, there is no doubt in my mind that FM23 won’t receive any new content anymore, except maybe some FH6 launch day car packs they might plan to sell in FM23 as well or something.

The “built from the ground up” reboot of the FM franchise has killed it. RIP.

You can’t blame Microsoft for laying off Turn 10 either, instead of the usual annual releases they had 6 years or something to create FM23? And the launch of the game was received poorly. Microsoft executives were probably tricked just as we the players that the game was built from the ground up and would reinstate former franchise glory. Since Turn 10 failed so miserably, of course heads would have to roll - hence the mass layoffs (including staff) at Turn 10. What’s left is a skeleton crew that has 2 jobs :

• being a ForzaTech support studio for Playground Games for the FH franchise.
• keep the FM servers running (for now) and fix any urgent issues.

 

[pez2k]

You can’t blame Microsoft for laying off Turn 10 either, instead of the usual annual releases they had 6 years or something to create FM23? And the launch of the game was received poorly. Microsoft executives were probably tricked just as we the players that the game was built from the ground up and would reinstate former franchise glory. Since Turn 10 failed so miserably, of course heads would have to roll - hence the mass layoffs (including staff) at Turn 10.

Turn 10 aren't an independent studio, they're entirely owned by Microsoft and so it's 100% Microsoft's responsibility how any games turn out. I think it's unrealistic that Turn 10 would be able to mislead their own management about the product they were working on, and unfair to solely blame their staff for the state of the game at launch. There are also well documented management issues at Microsoft including allegations of a policy to hire staff only as short-term contractors instead of permanent employees, which is a great way to undermine any long-term projects.

FM8 is far from the only Microsoft game to suffer from a poor launch and turbulent development lately, even Playground have their near-mythical Fable game that's still yet to be seen after 5+ years, and Perfect Dark managed 7 years in development before being cancelled with nothing to show for it. That for me points to bigger issues than just the staff of one development team.

 

[lsrcar]

I think that because covid they saw that FM didn't need a yearly release.. they can maintain the server and the game for at least 5 to 7 years more if they just come out with 1 or 2 tracks more and more DLC content to buy... let's face it...we only need new cars, and online competition and we will still spend money on it... they don't have to re do the game every year.

 

[Ryan81]

In a way, I'm kind of glad the game has come to an end not because it's a bad game but purely because there's no more FOMO nonsense with having to log in and play for hours just to obtain a single car.
I do feel bad for those at T10 and Microsoft who have been made redundant, though.

 

[Famine]

The fact that there's no download necessary is hilarious. They're just flicking a switch on removed events, once a month to drag it all out...

 

[Dopplegagger]

I am just not going move on to other racing titles. It's not like there's nothing else to play. This is just Microsoft, doing Microsoft things.

 

[DrumHammr13]

it's pretty hopeless as far as adding new stuff. they could at least add 5 last tracks to complete the damn game. COTA, Monza, Sonoma, Prague and Swiss Alps. give us those at least. I'm sure there are more I'm missing, but those are definitely a huge part of the series.

 

[Nacho Libre]

This is the current staff in charge.

 

[PorscheHD]

Am i the only one who dont want this to die? I have no other racer on pc thats somewhat is like Forza. Non of the races have good controller support nor the look as good as Forza.... I had high hopes for Assetto Corsa but for me its just a cheap version of it somehow.....

And the hope GT will ever come to PC is also dead.....


So no i dont want this to end because i dont have a race game to play anymore on pc.

 

[Seikenfreak]

After Horizon's launch on PS5, I figured I'd give Motorsport a shot when that happened. Looked like a dumpster fire on release so I wasn't going to pick it up on PC or anything then. So I'll be mildly disappointed if Motorsport doesn't get a Sony release.

You can’t blame Microsoft for laying off Turn 10 either, instead of the usual annual releases they had 6 years or something to create FM23? And the launch of the game was received poorly. Microsoft executives were probably tricked just as we the players that the game was built from the ground up and would reinstate former franchise glory. Since Turn 10 failed so miserably, of course heads would have to roll - hence the mass layoffs (including staff) at Turn 10.

I thought the behind the scenes narrative was that they were in fact building something from the ground up and then Microsoft axed that idea for whatever reason, so then Turn 10 had to sort've rush something else to market still based on the old game.

Maybe Forza Motorsport was being built more along the lines of GT Sport/iRacing and focusing on online only/live service platform-- where they could sell lots of content-- and to differentiate it from Horizon (this is what I expected they were doing with the rename to just "Motorsport"), but then live service games weren't do so hot so Microsoft bailed on the plan. Seems plausible to me but I'm just guessing 🤷‍♂️

 

[GTvsForza]

I'll give them until after the holidays to see what they can do to get this game going again. It's too early to call it quits.

 

[Morbid65]

it's pretty hopeless as far as adding new stuff. they could at least add 5 last tracks to complete the damn game. COTA, Monza, Sonoma, Prague and Swiss Alps. give us those at least. I'm sure there are more I'm missing, but those are definitely a huge part of the series.

They can keep Prague and Bernese Alps as those were both garbage race tracks even if they looked pretty, but yeah just filling in the missing FM7 tracks would be great. If they also were porting over existing FH5 cars while making paid DLC for the newest race cars, then I'd be happy.

Am i the only one who dont want this to die? I have no other racer on pc thats somewhat is like Forza. Non of the races have good controller support nor the look as good as Forza.... I had high hopes for Assetto Corsa but for me its just a cheap version of it somehow.....

And the hope GT will ever come to PC is also dead.....


So no i dont want this to end because i dont have a race game to play anymore on pc.

I don't want it to either. I have been playing and running/running in organized leagues since the first game, and the current league I run in I've been with since FM3, so 16 years now. We have people on wheels and controllers, Xbox and PC, and of all skill levels, and Forza is really the only viable thing to play the way we do as switching to Playstation for GT just isn't realistic at this point.

I like my other sims too, but they just aren't accessible and controller viable. We are about to finish our league's 80th season, and we have had very few repeat cars over all of those thanks to the ability to build our own "cup" cars and the variety of car types in the game. On the "real sims" out there, we can't build our own stuff, and even if everyone had a wheel, the real sims just exaggerate the skill gap so doing seasons in GT1 cars and stuff wouldn't be viable for all the skill levels we have.

Sadly, there are still 2 significant bugs going on, one that I mentioned in another thread where you disconnect from the game then are unable to join private lobbies, and one where cars randomly lose their collision/draft properties during races, and both are pretty disastrous for private lobbies... Our league ran on FM7 right up to the release of FM8, but with these bugs now likely to never get fixed, I dunno how long we will be able to fight through with this title.

 

[PorscheHD]

Online i cant play at 60fps thats the thing i hate most about this game..... Yeah i know it sounds elite but when u play all your games at 144fps / hz you cant stand 60......

 

[Ande3200]

I have been very vocal on my feelings with this game. But this is not good, and think more for the franshise, i feel sad it might ending because of the good memories this franshise has bring me over the years.

I just loved fm3 and fm4 so much, and even find fm6 very enjoyable as well.

After that i become so dissapointed in the direction it went.

So if you play on pc their will be nothing simular to gran turismo, until maybe ac evo is finshed, gt to pc is unlikely if Sony have a say on it. But even gt7 has become in darker place for me, and have not have any intrest to play that either lately,

Pc is still a good space because of everything you have the option to with modding for gaming etc.

 

[RACECAR]

After Horizon's launch on PS5, I figured I'd give Motorsport a shot when that happened. Looked like a dumpster fire on release so I wasn't going to pick it up on PC or anything then. So I'll be mildly disappointed if Motorsport doesn't get a Sony release.

I thought the behind the scenes narrative was that they were in fact building something from the ground up and then Microsoft axed that idea for whatever reason, so then Turn 10 had to sort've rush something else to market still based on the old game.

Maybe Forza Motorsport was being built more along the lines of GT Sport/iRacing and focusing on online only/live service platform-- where they could sell lots of content-- and to differentiate it from Horizon (this is what I expected they were doing with the rename to just "Motorsport"), but then live service games weren't do so hot so Microsoft bailed on the plan. Seems plausible to me but I'm just guessing 🤷‍♂️

I would not count on it. Horizon is on the PS5 because its the one that moved the most units so Microsoft have seemingly already decided it was gonna be THE way Forza moves forward, not Motorsport. With how crippled the development was with the rotating staff and not permanent employees (a tactic that guarantees your game is going to fail, especially if its a racing title), they already seemingly didn't think highly about it to begin with so I cannot see them suddenly doing a 180 and slapping this on PS5.

 

[karaokequeen3]

After Horizon's launch on PS5, I figured I'd give Motorsport a shot when that happened. Looked like a dumpster fire on release so I wasn't going to pick it up on PC or anything then. So I'll be mildly disappointed if Motorsport doesn't get a Sony release.

Not happening. The eggs are all in Forza Horizon’s basket now.

 

[PJTierney]

The fact that there's no download necessary is hilarious. They're just flicking a switch on removed events, once a month to drag it all out...

I believe this is the case.

All of the files for past tours are installed already, including intro videos and banners.

 

[breyzipp]

Turn 10 aren't an independent studio, they're entirely owned by Microsoft and so it's 100% Microsoft's responsibility how any games turn out. I think it's unrealistic that Turn 10 would be able to mislead their own management about the product they were working on, and unfair to solely blame their staff for the state of the game at launch. There are also well documented management issues at Microsoft including allegations of a policy to hire staff only as short-term contractors instead of permanent employees, which is a great way to undermine any long-term projects.

FM8 is far from the only Microsoft game to suffer from a poor launch and turbulent development lately, even Playground have their near-mythical Fable game that's still yet to be seen after 5+ years, and Perfect Dark managed 7 years in development before being cancelled with nothing to show for it. That for me points to bigger issues than just the staff of one development team.

Yes Turn 10 is Microsoft owned but there is also something like internal budgets. Microsoft gives a budget to Turn 10 and Turn 10 management is responsible to turn it into a success with their employees, both long term employees and these 6-month contract workers you mentioned. They might be under contract with Microsoft, but they get payed from that Turn 10 budget.
Since that project obviously failed to be a success, heads at Turn 10 management were on the chopping block and staff numbers had to be reduced as part of a studio-wide downscaling and restructuring move.