Four Wheel Drift

[Vasco]

This is very confusing

 

[Duke]

What's confusing you? Maybe I can help. The only confusing thing to me is that the Japanimation crowd has co-opted the term drift, and use it to mean something very different.

If you are countersteering, it's not a four wheel drift (for that moment, anyway). Other than that, Thio, it sounds like you were four-wheel drifting.

 

[DrifterBR]

If I had my videocam now I'd make a sample movie, It's hard to explain because my English is so bad. But I'll try...

Neutral Steer(Four-Wheel-Drift): Both front and rear tires are sliping in the same angle.
Oversteer: The rear tires have a larger slip angle than the front tires, so the car fishtails through the corner.
Understeer: The front tires have a larger slip angle than the rear tires, so the car tends push straight ahead to the outside of the turn.

Powerslide: It's an oversteer caused by excess of throttle in a rear or all wheel drive car. Normally happens in the acceleration part of the corner.

Drifting: This term has notting to do with the four-wheel-drift, and it's was not created by japanimation crowd either. It's rather a driving style that evolved from what is called Touge Running in Japan. In the beggining, it was considered dangerous to lose the rear wheels traction during the corner, so the drivers tried their best to go as fast as possible without losing control, eventually it became cool to lose the rear wheel traction and regain it quickly, it showed the driver had great skill. Then it kept evolving and drivers would purposefully lose traction way before the corner and take more than one corner without regaining traction on the rear wheels. That's what's some people call "Exhibition Drifting", the more sideways the better, speed is not really that important.

 

[Duke]

You don't sound very confused, and there's nothing wrong with your English at all! Clear and correct, DrifterBR.

 

[duo17]

Wow! This is a very informative thread. I think I'll try four wheel drifting now. Is this a good start for a beginner?

OA

 

[Thio]

so i was drifting!

W00t! 👍

thanks a lot neon_duke it all makes sense now

 

[Duke]

duo 17: Yes, this is a good start. There is a certain amount of four-wheel drift built into the game. Take a car that you are comfortable in, that has mild understeer under acceleration, and run laps till you feel you're going pretty quickly and feel confident through the faster, semi-tight corners. Then watch the replay and you'll see the lateral motion of the car on certain outside-camera viewpoints.

 

[duo17]

Does the car that you are doing this with need to have a specific drivetrain?

OA

 

[Thio]

duo 17: i think a good lap to start is on R246 because there is a big right turn that let's you hold onto the drift long enough while after that turn, there's a left hander, so you have to know how to manage to shift your weight. the car that i think is the easiest to four-wheel drift is the

Skyline R34 V-SpecII tuned.

so try it; it may be fun

edit: it's easier with a 4WD, but you can do it with any other one just the same way

 

[Duke]

No, it doesn't. But due to the weight and traction distribution it's easiest in a RWD car, so long as it doesn't oversteer much.

Glad I could be of help, guys, but thanks have to go out to DrifterBR, as well.

 

[duo17]

Thanks again. I'll try it later this afternoon.

OA

 

[Duke]

What Thio said about AWD is very true, in fact probably easier thant RWD because AWD tends to oversteer less. I should have been more specific and said that FWD is the hardest to do correctly because they tend to understeer too much.

I find Skylines a little unpredictable in terms of how they handle dynamically, so I'd recommend an Evo instead. But either will work if you are more comfortable in one.

 

[duo17]

That's what I like to hear. I love the Evos.

OA

 

[Thio]

the EVOs tend to oversteer a little bit in the beginning, so it may be a good idea to start off with an EVO

i love the EVO VI TME . it's so easy to drift

 

[DrifterBR]

Thanks neon_duke

duo17: Mastering four-wheel-drift is a good way to go! Not only you will improve your laptimes, but you will be cornering at the cars limit, but not beyond, so you will not overstress the tires by over or understeering. Like neon_duke said, an RWD car is the easiest to start with, a favorite of mine is the C-West Razo Silvia. You can also benefit from a little oversteer in the exit of tight corners, like Formula One drivers did in the past(and that looked so cool on the TV ).

On FWD cars you need to be carefull with the throttle to not overload the front tires. I usually like to use a late apex and to straighten the front wheels a bit earlier so I can accelerate in a more straight line.

 

[dustin-19]

How can you do this on Trueno or an FC?

 

[Duke]

Just as described above. But the Trueno oversteers to much to be good at it.

 

[Vasco]

Ahh, i get it now Thanks DrifterBR and neon

 

[Thio]

Bump.

The people who want to know how to Four Wheel Drift should read this

 

[Thio]

w00ps, it's not in the Drifters Only thread.

hehe

 

[2ez2KiLL]

ok 2 questions..............

1. Got a setting for a 4wd drifter?
2. How to start a 4wd drift in plain simple "english"

 

[Thio]

1. Yes. Want them now?
2. Two ways to start it: feint or just turn-in. If you want to turn-in, stay on the outside wall of the turn and just turn into the corner. As soon as the car starts to oversteer, DON'T COUNTERSTEER and control the drift by modulating the throttle/braking until you get out of the corner.