Free Speech

[TexRex]

Huh. Oops!

However, if a Black person says the word, it's fine.

Black woman charged after using n-word on social media

Exclusive: The charge relates to a post on X about Sweden and Newcastle footballer Alexander Isak

www.independent.co.uk

Gosh, that bitchfit didn't age well.

Individuals get to decide if particular expression is offensive to them and whether association may be conditioned others' adherence to arbitrary standards, and any conditioning on such adherence isn't a violation of expressive freedom provided individuals so conditioning association are not agents of the state conditioning association with the state. It's not a violation of expressive freedom, rather it's exercising the right to free association. Association is not free if it can't be so conditioned. And of course a bitchfit on social media does not constitute a violation of associative freedom, but that one would decry others' exercising their rights freely regarding others exercising their rights freely does seem more than a little hypocritical.

The state prosecuting an individual for speech which is considered by some to be offensive is a violation of expressive freedom.

Offense is subjective, and so mere offense cannot be considered legitimate harm. Speech may be considered legitimate harm, as threats of physical harm, and that speech may include words which may be considered offensive but the harm is the threat itself rather than any subjective offense therein.

 

[TexRex]

You could have had your livelihood shattered and be hounded/attacked on social media. The opinion is that you enjoy a game made for kids.



When people have to question is it safe to play Hogwarts Legacy, isnt that a sign?



noun

1. the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint.

Only the state or similarly ruling body may legitimately censor or restrain expression. Absent action by such a body, what you're left with is free exercise of expressive, associative, and property rights. This is just the "cancel culture" bitchfit dressed up in wizard robes and a silicone forehead scar.

Nothing. I'm just an idiot clearly. Sorry for wasting your valuable time.

My IQ level is too low for this discussion.

Let me exit in disgrace.

lol. lmao. Such victimhood.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Should be pointed out the guy amplified Spofforth's tweet.

Man arrested in Pakistan over Southport disinformation that fuelled riots

Farhan Asif is alleged to have worked for Channel3Now, a website that reported a false name for a suspect in the hours after the tragedy

inews.co.uk

We need a First Ammendment, lest we get to the stage of having the laws that led to this arrest in Pakistan.

 

[inCloud]

Pavel Durov(Telegram founder) was arrested by France police. Rumours saying France wants keys from Telegram. Man emigrated from RF only to be imprisoned by European intelligence. ****

 

[Rage Racer]

Pavel Durov(Telegram founder) was arrested by France police. Rumours saying France wants keys from Telegram. Man emigrated from RF only to be imprisoned by European intelligence. ****

😁 You really thought there is freedom of speech on the West? Bro, the Eurosovok isn't much better than Russia when it comes to censorship and taking control of social media.

Six years ago, the RF government tried to make Durov cooperate, and tried to block Telegram when he refused (ending up blocking half of the Internet in the process), but Durov himself was never locked up. Now, after moving to UAE and just landing in France, he's about to face charges enough for few lifetime sentences. GGWP.

 

[inCloud]

You really thought there is freedom of speech on the West

Its gradient, some states are closer to freedom, some not. EU isn't about freedom of speech, never was.

isn't much better than Russia when it comes to censorship and taking control of social media.

Are you high?

 

[Famine]

Elon's only worried about this because if platform holders are to be held responsible for the content and lack of moderation on their platforms in Europe, he's in deep trouble if he ever visits...

 

[Scaff]

Imagine being so unaware that you hold up the "cis-gender is hate speech" moron as a free speech example.

What you're championing isn't free speech, its freedom from consequences

 

[inCloud]

 

[Scaff]

OK

 

[DK]

I can think of another reason why the Muskovite is rattled:

 

[inCloud]

think of another reason why the Muskovite is rattled:

Kremlin dogs always barking when someone in West ******** their pants, nothing new.

Excellent. France incriminating non cooperation in cases with child porn, drugs and terrorism, even if Telegram blocking all of this on sight. Lazy corrupted morons don't want to do their job as intended, instead they want to have access to our personal correspondence. It never happens, considering TG inscription is generated on the fly. Let's see what court would say, but for now whole case looks like ****ing joke.

We can love or hate Pavel, but some governments just lost conscience. Seems like its contagious.

 

[inCloud]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/zuckerberg-meta-white-house-pressure-00176399

Mark Zuckerberg says he regrets that Meta bowed to Biden administration pressure to censor content, saying in a letter that the interference was “wrong” and he plans to push back if it happens again.

Zuckerberg also expressed regret for Meta’s downplaying of content related to coverage by the New York Post about Hunter Biden ahead of the 2020 election that the FBI warned may have been rooted in a Russian disinformation operation.

 

[Danoff]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/26/zuckerberg-meta-white-house-pressure-00176399

Zuck's an idiot. Facebook does not have to and should not carry misinformation, especially when it will get people killed. Obviously it's his prerogative for the website he runs to be a cesspool, but that doesn't make it a good idea. The CDC trying to assist in identifying misinformation is not automatically a problem.

 

[inCloud]

misinformation

IIRC, lab origin of COVID, AstraZeneca side effects and questionable benefits of wearing masks outdoor were among this "misinformation" topics. Whole total lockdown idea seems very questionable now.

 

[Danoff]

IIRC, lab origin of COVID, AstraZeneca side effects and questionable benefits of wearing masks outdoor were among this "misinformation" topics. Whole total lockdown idea seems very questionable now.

Quotes would be better than your recollection.

"Total lockdown" was during at time when we knew very little and mortality was very high. It ended relatively swiftly, at least in the US.

 

[inCloud]

Quotes would be better

Original rules are deleted, found this:

New Facebook Rules Target COVID-19 Misinformation

Facebook is cracking down on misinformation about the coronavirus and vaccines with new rules about what can and can’t be posted on its platforms.

www.aarp.org

Facebook does not allow content that says COVID-19 is manmade, manufactured or bioengineered, or that it was created by an individual, government or country.

Facebook forbids anything that says the COVID-19 vaccines kill or seriously harm people.

Content that discourages mask wearing is banned, including posts that say face masks are connected to 5G technology, that masks can make the wearer sick or that health authorities do not recommend that healthy people wear masks.

 

[Danoff]

Original rules are deleted, found this:

New Facebook Rules Target COVID-19 Misinformation

Facebook is cracking down on misinformation about the coronavirus and vaccines with new rules about what can and can’t be posted on its platforms.

www.aarp.org

I guess you're assuming all of those came directly from the CDC. What's wrong with those rules for content? We do not know that covid is manmade, still. It is misinformation to say that it is. I also completely understand and support their efforts to block content that discourages wearing masks, since they are very helpful in preventing the spread of respiratory illness.

Where's the problem?

 

[inCloud]

I guess you're assuming all of those came directly from the CDC

There isnt such a thing like presumption of innocence of government. Its government job to prove to its citizens that it doesn't breaking laws and constitution. If Zuckerberg says that US government censoring us all by making pressure at his company - its US government should prove that censorship was minor or nonexistent.

What's wrong with those rules for content

You cant discuss vital topics because of governmental censorship.

We do not know that covid is manmade

If it is, then someone is guilty in one of the biggest massmurders on planet. Someone should pay for it, dont you think? To force investigation of was it or not we should be able to discuss it.

It is misinformation to say that it is.

It isnt. Misinformation is to say its proved to be manmade. You can believe in anything and say about it without any proves, otherwise you calling any religion a misinformation.

I also completely understand and support their efforts to block content that discourages wearing masks, since they are very helpful in preventing the spread of respiratory illness.

Masks are effective when you indoor and constantly swapping them. Outdoor they only causing asphyxiation and are great place for bacteria to live. Considering limited quantity of mask for first pandemic month, mandatory use of mask outdoor was disastrous decision of incompetent morons. And we couldn't even talk about it.

 

[UKMikey]

Oh geez... are we going to rehash the entire Covid thread here?

 

[HenrySwanson]

Outdoor they only causing asphyxiation....

This part isn't true. You can look up what asphyxiation means on wiki.

 

[inCloud]

This part isn't true. You can look up what asphyxiation means on wiki.

Could be language problem, guess you get what I mean. Deficient supply of oxygen to the body which arises from abnormal breathing

 

[Danoff]

First of all, I should mention that you're talking to someone who is a big free speech advocate. I strongly support the first amendment, from a very principled perspective.

There isnt such a thing like presumption of innocence of government. Its government job to prove to its citizens that it doesn't breaking laws and constitution. If Zuckerberg says that US government censoring us all by making pressure at his company - its US government should prove that censorship was minor or nonexistent.

If the "pressure" was the threat of legal consequences, then it is improper. If the "pressure" is a request to take the information down because it is misinformation, I don't think it is improper. This makes a big difference. Calling it "censorship" is overstepping what you know about it as far as I can tell.

You cant discuss vital topics because of governmental censorship.

That would be true in the case of government censorship.

If it is, then someone is guilty in one of the biggest massmurders on planet. Someone should pay for it, dont you think? To force investigation of was it or not we should be able to discuss it.

It isnt. Misinformation is to say its proved to be manmade. You can believe in anything and say about it without any proves, otherwise you calling any religion a misinformation.

Discussing the origins of the virus is not the same thing as claiming to know something. Claiming that it is manmade when you do not know it is manmade is misinformation, and I support Facebook's right to take it down. Religion is also misinformation, but it is widely recognized as unproven and therefore easily identified as opinion. This is not the case with a factual claim like the origins of covid. Making a factual statement that you do not have a basis for making is misinformation.

Masks are effective when you indoor and constantly swapping them. Outdoor they only causing asphyxiation and are great place for bacteria to live. Considering limited quantity of mask for first pandemic month, mandatory use of mask outdoor was disastrous decision of incompetent morons. And we couldn't even talk about it.

"Constantly swapping" is almost certainly not the right phrasing.

I did not see anything in your list of facebook rules that included anything about outdoors. Maybe you can clarify that. You appear to be making a strawman argument.

 

[inCloud]

Discussing the origins of the virus is not the same thing as claiming to know something.

Its facebook, it would obliterate everything related without discussing if its violates or not. You should consider how platform working, they cant moderate billions of posts.

If the "pressure"

Any pressure is improper, considering who we talking about.

"Constantly swapping" is almost certainly not the right phrasing.

Changing is better?

Claiming that it is manmade when you do not know it is manmade is misinformation

Prove it.

Religion is also misinformation

Prove it.

 

[Danoff]

Its facebook, it would obliterate everything related without discussing if its violates or not. You should consider how platform working, they cant moderate billions of posts.

That's up to facebook.

Any pressure is improper, considering who we talking about.

No, I don't think any "pressure" is improper. It's not accurate to call any form of "pressure" censorship.

Changing is better?

The issue was with "constantly".

Prove it.

You misunderstand the burden of proof. I would recommend googling "burden of proof" and doing some research to better understand the topic.

 

[inCloud]

You misunderstand the burden of proof.

The burden of proof is usually on the person who brings a claim in a dispute, you saying that opinion about manmade nature of COVID is "false or inaccurate information". Prove it.

The issue was with "constantly"

4h is ok for mask, its 4 to 5 masks per day if you working in public place.

 

[Danoff]

The burden of proof is usually on the person who brings a claim in a dispute, you saying that opinion about manmade nature of COVID is "false or inaccurate information". Prove it.

The person making the claim in this case is the person claiming that covid is manmade. That person has not met their burden of proof for that claim, and so it is not factually supported - and therefore is misinformation to state as fact. That is the proof you requested.

4h is ok for mask, its 4 to 5 masks per day if you working in public place.

4 hours is ok for what kind of mask? Why are you assuming 16-20 hours of work per day? In the US, 8 hours is a typical workday.

 

[sanrensho]

To Quote the Clash: "You have the right to free speech..... as long as... you're not dumb enough to actually try it."

 

[Danoff]

To Quote the Clash: "You have the right to free speech..... as long as... you're not dumb enough to actually try it."

I can take this post two ways.

First way: Free speech includes accountability. Don't say stupid things with your free speech.
Second way: You don't actually have free speech when push comes to shove.

Which of those did you intend? Or did you intend a third?

 

[inCloud]

to state as fact

Misinformation is to say its proved to be manmade

4 hours is ok for what kind of mask

Average disposable

Why are you assuming 16-20 hours of work per day

12+2 for public transport, personal experience. You better change it after transportation, so in my case it was 5 masks per day.