FRL~ToCA13 - CONGRATULATION NINNERS, 3-TIME ToCA CHAMPION!Finished 

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Take a race off the calendar and move subsequent events up a week?

  • Yes, take out Nurburgring!

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Half a second faster, on a short track, on your second lap?

Yes. You are slower than him. Tough cookie.

Anyhow for the 27 people who actually are bothered, i'm going to put Brands Q1 times in OP, should be easier for saturday.
 
If he can jump on with minimal practice in a new car and post a fast lap out the box then that's dedicated?

That's just natural speed. I know of plenty average guys who put hours in every week and are not at that pace but enjoy it all same..
 
Half a second faster, on a short track, on your second lap?
We had a setup bolted on when I did that time. May I point out that Mole tested all the cars and picked the Audi and I never actually started testing until a week after our car was announced. I did some laps at Silverstone International to make some tweaks to the setup we already had and some more at Brands later to try out some different BB and LSD settings and that's what we had at media day.


Also if I was really dedicated I would have actually bothered testing for V8s.
 
Listen, I see both sides to the argument. I can see that everyone is welcome to compete, I can see that more top-level guys only makes the series more reputable. However, I can see it's frustrating if you want casual racing, and can't actually make it on the night. I get that.

But... isn't that racing? The top guys are the top guys. If you aren't as fast... you just aren't as fast. I had a pile of cack the past 2 seasons, but I fought on when I could, because it was nice being an underdog - if I pulled off a surprise podium, it was a nice boost.

Don't join a series and expect to win. I found that out as soon as I joined ToCA. I had a giant ego and thought I was a winner - but of course, I was only as good as I and my car actually was. Maximising that every weekend is where the skill comes in. I made a full-on joke out of it with the T11 Lada - I had my best ever season of online racing in that car. I only got one podium, I got rammed off most of the time, but I pushed the car beyond what it was capable of - especially at the amazing Silverstone weekend, which had the most intense R3... ever - and probably my best ever overtake.

But, in the interests of absolute fairness to all - maybe the ToCA structure does need a shake up. Maybe the independents championship should cater solely for those who aren't as quick, giving them something to aim for. The absolute top guys can run as teams - they can fight for that themselves. I know it's not like that in reality, but it would at least make all parties happy, and they could still have something to fight for no matter what.
 
hsv
Listen, I see both sides to the argument. I can see that everyone is welcome to compete, I can see that more top-level guys only makes the series more reputable. However, I can see it's frustrating if you want casual racing, and can't actually make it on the night. I get that.

The pts system changes for this season was introduced partially to lessen effects of a DNQ. Also we got the drop now.

hsv
But... isn't that racing? The top guys are the top guys. If you aren't as fast... you just aren't as fast. I had a pile of cack the past 2 seasons, but I fought on when I could, because it was nice being an underdog - if I pulled off a surprise podium, it was a nice boost.

Don't join a series and expect to win. I found that out as soon as I joined ToCA. I had a giant ego and thought I was a winner - but of course, I was only as good as I and my car actually was. Maximising that every weekend is where the skill comes in. I made a full-on joke out of it with the T11 Lada - I had my best ever season of online racing in that car. I only got one podium, I got rammed off most of the time, but I pushed the car beyond what it was capable of - especially at the amazing Silverstone weekend, which had the most intense R3... ever - and probably my best ever overtake.[/QUOTE]

That Toyota :lol: - you did a good job for what it was, podium at Brands end I think?

hsv
But, in the interests of absolute fairness to all - maybe the ToCA structure does need a shake up. Maybe the independents championship should cater solely for those who aren't as quick, giving them something to aim for. The absolute top guys can run as teams - they can fight for that themselves. I know it's not like that in reality, but it would at least make all parties happy, and they could still have something to fight for no matter what.

Then we risk complicating everything with things like driver grading systems etc...

EIT Irony though, that all the aliens are already in teams :lol:
 
hsv
But, in the interests of absolute fairness to all - maybe the ToCA structure does need a shake up. Maybe the independents championship should cater solely for those who aren't as quick, giving them something to aim for.

THIS
 
That Toyota :lol: - you did a good job for what it was, podium at Brands end I think?
Second at Brands - the only race start of the season where I didn't get caught up in an incident. I wasn't far off the victory; and retook second after slipping behind waffle for third.

Has anyone got a video of R3 at Silverstone from T11? I need to relive that overtake...
 
We must never forget.

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HSV was right when he said ToCA needed and overhaul and it does.

Teams should have no more than two drivers in them and only one of them can have an "Alien" driver in it. There should be no more than 5 teams and the rest is made up of Independent drivers. That way every one gets a fair crack at the whip.
 
The ToCA mentality is the problem. Any other FRL series everyone shows up just to have a good time. In ToCA it's constant bitching about every little detail: this car's too fast, this driver's too fast, Furi's pulling bull:censored: to benefit his team, this car's too slow, this track is horrible. Everyone drives like it's a race for their life, racecraft is atrocious from nigh-on the entire field (and I'm including myself in that).

We don't take it overly seriously like certain groups of racers in these forums, but the way we approach things anymore is just as bad. Instead of showing up to race, we spend most of our time trying to keep others from knowing how fast we are. In S9 everyone went full-out in preseason testing, and it led to the best season in series history imo. We managed to get a good BoP, took out the OP Scirocco before it ended up killing everything in sight, and a ton of people won races, and even when you didn't win it was a ton of fun. This season there's a ton of people sandbagging in testing (I've done a 46.5 on my own, but I've kept it over 47.0 in race rooms, I won't name any other names for now).

It's just not fun anymore.


Where would you distinguish between a 'fast' and 'slow' driver? Would it be fair for a guy like myself who's decently fast but needs some luck to win with this field to put me in a class with the aliens?
 
Teams should have no more than two drivers in them

They do.

and only one of them can have an "Alien" driver in it.

Aliens a grading now? :lol:

There should be no more than 5 teams and the rest is made up of Independent drivers. That way every one gets a fair crack at the whip.

Only 4 teams this season... all time record was 8...
 
Ending this argument for good.

Would you rather have fast, quality drivers with racecraft, or idiots who just wreck people and can't drive in races?
 
The ToCA mentality is the problem. Any other FRL series everyone shows up just to have a good time. In ToCA it's constant bitching about every little detail: this car's too fast, this driver's too fast, Furi's pulling bull:censored: to benefit his team, this car's too slow, this track is horrible. Everyone drives like it's a race for their life, racecraft is atrocious from nigh-on the entire field (and I'm including myself in that).

We don't take it overly seriously like certain groups of racers in these forums, but the way we approach things anymore is just as bad. Instead of showing up to race, we spend most of our time trying to keep others from knowing how fast we are. In S9 everyone went full-out in preseason testing, and it led to the best season in series history imo. We managed to get a good BoP, took out the OP Scirocco before it ended up killing everything in sight, and a ton of people won races, and even when you didn't win it was a ton of fun. This season there's a ton of people sandbagging in testing (I've done a 46.5 on my own, but I've kept it over 47.0 in race rooms, I won't name any other names for now).

It's just not fun anymore.
Well, at least one can't blame Lloyd for sandbagging, eh. The fact that some drivers apparently do it, though, along with the rest of what you said, isn't exactly making TOCA look any more attractive for sure.

Where would you distinguish between a 'fast' and 'slow' driver? Would it be fair for a guy like myself who's decently fast but needs some luck to win with this field to put me in a class with the aliens?
Aliens a grading now? :lol:
Pretty easy to distinguish an alien from the others in a series like this, in my opinion at least...
 
Note to self... same 2 people complaining every time... not heard from the other 25 yet... minority much...
 
Note to self... same 2 people complaining every time... not heard from the other 25 yet... minority much...
There's at least two people besides the 'same 2 people complaining every time' who have admitted something's wrong in the last 10 minutes...
 
There's at least two people besides the 'same 2 people complaining every time' who have admitted something's wrong in the last 10 minutes...
Yes well at least they've not been whiny sods about it.
Obviously Alex what everyone says you seem to take is as people pissing on your bonfire and its not about that at all. its about general fairness so everyone gets a go at racing.

Exactly. Just going to point out I introduced a success ballast system within an hour to quell complaints, but people aren't happy.
 
Totally, totally off topic. But I miss the season when Furi's team had about 24 reserve drivers and 8 spin off teams :lol:

Over statement much? :lol:

We did have me, Tom, who then injured himself, so then gokartman, Sumo, smuffy, Dax all took turns if I recall.
 
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