G25/G27 Wheel Officially supported in Spec 2.0!

[Bigbazz]

But... You are just wrong on all points. There is a reason that over 3800 people have voted for g25 and g27 support on the gtplanet feedback section. The buttons are NOT properly configured, the ffb on the g27 has gotten WORSE since the game came back, and it definetly can get better.



Ummm... There is no slip point. That has absolutely nothing to do with my personal skills. Go away troll.

There is no slip point? Erm, yes there is, its a very narrow one.. one that you will find is the same with all wheels and all sim racing games. Not yet has there been a sim with a clutch that acts like real life.

Nothing to do with G27 support.


As for the FFB, how has it gotten worse, and since when? It feels exactly the same to me as it ever did, which is still better than the "officially supported" DFGT has ever been. GT5 FFB in general is worse than other games (PC titles), which has nothing to do with the G27 support.


As for the buttons working properly, last time i checked when i hit the throttle the car goes, i hit the brake and it slows down, use the clutch before shifting gears, they all work, turning left and right amazingly works in the game too and the flappy paddles work as expected. explain what is wrong about that?



I think your problems lie with the game and you're dumping them on the wheel support, go buy a different wheel and you're still gonna have issues, perhaps then if you have official support you can realise that official support isnt going to change anything and the problem is with the game.

 

[Goshin2568]

There is no slip point? Erm, yes there is, its a very narrow one.. one that you will find is the same with all wheels and all sim racing games. Not yet has there been a sim with a clutch that acts like real life.

Nothing to do with G27 support.

As for the FFB, how has it gotten worse, and since when? It feels exactly the same to me as it ever did, which is still better than the "officially supported" DFGT has ever been. GT5 FFB in general is worse than other games (PC titles), which has nothing to do with the G27 support.

As for the buttons working properly, last time i checked when i hit the throttle the car goes, i hit the brake and it slows down, use the clutch before shifting gears, they all work, turning left and right amazingly works in the game too and the flappy paddles work as expected. explain what is wrong about that?

I think your problems lie with the game and you're dumping them on the wheel support, go buy a different wheel and you're still gonna have issues, perhaps then if you have official support you can realise that official support isnt going to change anything and the problem is with the game.

All you are doing is proving my point. You say "the problem is with the game."
Exactly!
I have nothing against the G27. Its the GAME that needs to be fixed. The spec 2 update is from PD, not logitech. Its not going magically go inside my g27 and change the hardware, its going to fix things in the GAME to make using the g25/7 better.

All Im saying is that there is a reason that everyone else disagrees with you. There is a reason that it is one of the no 1 things people are looking forward to with this update. There is a reason there is a 7 page thread about how great the news is.

 

[Bigbazz]

All you are doing is proving my point. You say "the problem is with the game."
Exactly!
I have nothing against the G27. Its the GAME that needs to be fixed. The spec 2 update is from PD, not logitech. Its not going magically go inside my g27 and change the hardware, its going to fix things in the GAME to make using the g25/7 better.

All Im saying is that there is a reason that everyone else disagrees with you. There is a reason that it is one of the no 1 things people are looking forward to with this update. There is a reason there is a 7 page thread about how great the news is.

Firstly, everyone else does not disagree with me, note that there are very small ammount of vocal people in this thread.

Secondly, my point is, yes the problem is with the game not the wheel, you can choose any wheel you want.

Any wheel, the clutch is still gonna be poop (the clutch is poop in every game infact, and with every wheel, no game has yet made a decent clutch), the FFB is still gonna be worse than the PC sims. All officially supporting is likely to change is the ability to map buttons, the rest of the wheels functions already work properly. The problem is with the game, not the wheel. Why is the G27 so much better than the DFGT with GT5? I mean come on, the DFGT is officially supported!!!11, why is the G27 still better? Because its a better wheel.

If you want a better experience you use a TS500, not because its officially supported but because its just a much better wheel, and that is the same with every game.

 

[Goshin2568]

Firstly, everyone else does not disagree with me, note that there are very small ammount of vocal people in this thread.

Secondly, my point is, yes the problem is with the game not the wheel, you can choose any wheel you want.

Any wheel, the clutch is still gonna be poop (the clutch is poop in every game infact, and with every wheel, no game has yet made a decent clutch), the FFB is still gonna be worse than the PC sims. All officially supporting is likely to change is the ability to map buttons, the rest of the wheels functions already work properly. The problem is with the game, not the wheel. Why is the G27 so much better than the DFGT with GT5? I mean come on, the DFGT is officially supported!!!11, why is the G27 still better? Because its a better wheel.

If you want a better experience you use a TS500, not because its officially supported but because its just a much better wheel, and that is the same with every game.

Really? I counted 6 people who agreed with me, and that was just on the last page.

Secondly, the ability to map buttons is a HUGE feature that for some reason you are just choosing to ignore.

Thirdly, yes the force feedback can and should be better on the g27. It has gotten worse, I don't remeber what update it was specifically, maybe 1.09 or 1.10 or something, but it considerably lowered the strength of the wheel to the point of it feeling not like a $300 tool of simulation, but more like a wet noodle. If you didn't notice it than you are either unobservant, ignorant, or are just choosing to overlook it just to fuel the argument.

 

[NotSoSilentBob]

Firstly, everyone else does not disagree with me, note that there are very small ammount of vocal people in this thread.

Secondly, my point is, yes the problem is with the game not the wheel, you can choose any wheel you want.

Any wheel, the clutch is still gonna be poop (the clutch is poop in every game infact, and with every wheel, no game has yet made a decent clutch), the FFB is still gonna be worse than the PC sims. All officially supporting is likely to change is the ability to map buttons, the rest of the wheels functions already work properly. The problem is with the game, not the wheel. Why is the G27 so much better than the DFGT with GT5? I mean come on, the DFGT is officially supported!!!11, why is the G27 still better? Because its a better wheel.

If you want a better experience you use a TS500, not because its officially supported but because its just a much better wheel, and that is the same with every game.

Are you going to pay everyone who wants a TS500 600$? The G25/27 fit more people's budget. And how can the TS500 be better on other games when last I knew gt5 was the only software to support it. TS50 doesn't even have a h shifter.

 

[Bigbazz]

Really? I counted 6 people who agreed with me, and that was just on the last page.

Secondly, the ability to map buttons is a HUGE feature that for some reason you are just choosing to ignore.

Thirdly, yes the force feedback can and should be better on the g27. It has gotten worse, I don't remeber what update it was specifically, maybe 1.09 or 1.10 or something, but it considerably lowered the strength of the wheel to the point of it feeling not like a $300 tool of simulation, but more like a wet noodle. If you didn't notice it than you are either unobservant, ignorant, or are just choosing to overlook it just to fuel the argument.

All i remember was once apon a time the FFB was very strong and changing the settings did not work, then one day a patch came in that fixed the problem so that the settings actually worked, i use mine on 5, the FFB for me is just as strong as in any other game, not as well detailed but resistance wise no different. The problem you don't seem to understand and you ignore is that any problem you're describing affects ALL wheels, and has nothing to do with specific support of the G27/G25 wheels.

I don't choose to ignore the button mapping thing, you want to be able to reassign your buttons, thats fine it does not bother me, I do not need them to play the game, and quite frankly the button remapping has nothing to do with the games clutch or force feedback, which is what i'm discussing.


The FFB is actually not that bad, when I use it it certaintly does the job, its not as good as iRacing or NetKar, nor is it as good as Dirt 3 in its PC varient or RBR but it does the job. The point is, its not as good as those games no matter what wheel you use, and compared to other games on consoles GT5 has the best FFB out there, F1 2010 on consoles had crap FFB while the PC version had much better, so generally PC games always have better FFB than the console varients.




The only thing support is going to do is add remapping, everything else works as intended and you're dilusional if you think the wheel is going to turn into some magical wheel of awesomeness because of a patch update. The problems with the game remain, regardless of what wheel you use.



About the above, i'm not suggesting you use a TS500, i'm comparing it as its the official supported wheel of the game, but the point was that you cannot expect the G27 to be as good as that, since the G27 is nowhere near as good as a wheel and official support isnt going to change that. About the support for other games, well the last you heard must have been a bloody long time ago, because the TS500 is certaintly a very popular wheel among iRacing users nowadays, also consider it is kinda also the Official wheel for F1 2011 with the Ferrari F150 wheel addon. I've also seen many users using it for Dirt 3, RBR and Rfactor to name a few.

Also TS500 shifter

 

[Dapper]

That's not a GT5/PD issue, that would be a Dapper issue. You need a better connection if you can't race with Europeans/Australians/Asians.

Well, history says you are wrong. I've played other online racing games, on the same internet connection, with way more cars and with people from around the world with no lag. So, it would be nice to have that online experience in GT5.

 

[iamsupernasty]

I've played other online racing games, on the same internet connection, with way more cars and with people from around the world with no lag.

I have that online experience in GT5; every time.

 

[kiladonut]

I think the only part of the clutch that might be changed is the ability to change gears while on the accelerator pedal. I don't imaging there will be an ability to slip the clutch as gt5 doesn't seem to work like that. You can verify that by using automatic trans and try to slowly go up a hill. It won't work the clutch seems to be only on and off.

I hope ffb is improved although it's not terrible and obviously mapping buttons will be included.

 

[Fantomas666]

Firstly, everyone else does not disagree with me, note that there are very small ammount of vocal people in this thread.

Secondly, my point is, yes the problem is with the game not the wheel, you can choose any wheel you want.

Any wheel, the clutch is still gonna be poop (the clutch is poop in every game infact, and with every wheel, no game has yet made a decent clutch), the FFB is still gonna be worse than the PC sims. All officially supporting is likely to change is the ability to map buttons, the rest of the wheels functions already work properly. The problem is with the game, not the wheel. Why is the G27 so much better than the DFGT with GT5? I mean come on, the DFGT is officially supported!!!11, why is the G27 still better? Because its a better wheel.

If you want a better experience you use a TS500, not because its officially supported but because its just a much better wheel, and that is the same with every game.

I think it is possible for improvement. on f12010 you can set all sorts of settings to get the wheel how you like it, and it does make quite a big difference to the standard settings.

 

[mkson]

Hi

I have a G27 and GT5 since the release and was looking forward to finally be able to map the buttons on my wheel with the Spec 2.0 patch. And yes, the wheel is in the game options now, but no, the game still uses the same key mapping as before even after I change the mapping for both Wheel 1 and Wheel 2. Am I the only one with this problem or have Polyphony made one of the most embarrasing patches yet?

So basically, is key mapping for Logitech G27 working for someone out there in GT5 Spec 2.0?

 

[mikekhel30]

Hi

I have a G27 and GT5 since the release and was looking forward to finally be able to map the buttons on my wheel with the Spec 2.0 patch. And yes, the wheel is in the game options now, but no, the game still uses the same key mapping as before even after I change the mapping for both Wheel 1 and Wheel 2. Am I the only one with this problem or have Polyphony made one of the most embarrasing patches yet?

So basically, is key mapping for Logitech G27 working for someone out there in GT5 Spec 2.0?

Welcome to GTP!

Anyway, have you read this thread at all. You can find the answers just by reading. Here's a hint, yes.

 

[mkson]

Hi Mikekehel30, I read the thread yes. And also found a separate discussion about my problem here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=226511

So I will continue the discussion there, thanks.

 

[esh]

The G27 key mappings work but the top two buttons on the wheel are swapped with the outer left and right gearbox buttons.

 

[Organ-Donor]

My button mapping aren't working correctly on my G27. I want rearview look and view change on the small triangular red buttons on the actual wheel but instead it has something else mapped to it. I've re-tried numerous times to no avail. Is this a glitch or something they are looking into? I don't like taking my hands off the wheel to look in my rearview or to change views.

Edit: To the post above me: If I switch the outer gearbox buttons with the red triangle buttons on the wheel would that fix my problem?

 

[MasterFocus]

I think the only part of the clutch that might be changed is the ability to change gears while on the accelerator pedal. I don't imaging there will be an ability to slip the clutch as gt5 doesn't seem to work like that. You can verify that by using automatic trans and try to slowly go up a hill. It won't work the clutch seems to be only on and off.

I hope ffb is improved although it's not terrible and obviously mapping buttons will be included.

I can actually accelerate from a standing start in a manual gearbox car with the same RPM throughout the whole gear and with the gear not even being engage

 

[mikeonthebike]

I think the only part of the clutch that might be changed is the ability to change gears while on the accelerator pedal. I don't imaging there will be an ability to slip the clutch as gt5 doesn't seem to work like that. You can verify that by using automatic trans and try to slowly go up a hill. It won't work the clutch seems to be only on and off.

I hope ffb is improved although it's not terrible and obviously mapping buttons will be included.

automatics don't have clutches they have torque converters referred to as stall converters sometimes. and the clutch already slips. not a TON. but give this a try. get a high horsepower car put it in second gear STAND on the gas pedal and SLOWLY lift the clutch. there is a slip range in there. I would love for it to be way more but there is a slipping point. use it a lot for drifting

 

[Devedander]

There is no slip point? Erm, yes there is, its a very narrow one.. one that you will find is the same with all wheels and all sim racing games. Not yet has there been a sim with a clutch that acts like real life.

I thought Forza 4's clutch was supposed to be pretty good...

 

[diablo6vt]

Can I modify the fulllock-to-fulllock angles on the G27 now?

 

[Mopatop]

Can I modify the fulllock-to-fulllock angles on the G27 now?

No :'(

 

[diablo6vt]

No :'(

Well that sucks. Would've been useful for that elusive Vettel challenge...

 

[kk20]

No, we drive the 458 to pretend it's an Escort. What is your deal?

Looooooool...genuinely laughing...

 

[speedthrill]

I have that online experience in GT5; every time.

Yup same here, just make sure you look for rooms with good pings!

14 cars on track and maybe one showed minuscule lag.

 

[scotttheripper]

Why do you all use the clutch anyway??

Ive hardly used it and rate it as useless. Same as the shifter.

I'm happy that the g27 is filly supported now, great news.
I'm just hoping that it has some feel to it finally, sick of it feeling like I'm turning fresh air.

Wow. Are you freaking serious. You forked out the cash for a g27 and you don't get why people use the clutch? That is the whole point of the g27.