G27 FFB vs DFGT

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I have just setup my new G27. I had a DFGT before. I am finding the G27 FFB is not as good as the DFGT. There is a lack of road feel and when the tyres are understeering.

I find the wheel easier and more effortless to drive than with the DFGT though. For example, driving something like the RUF CTR Yellowbird is much more manageable due to wheel speed.

I can still drive as fast in GT5 as I could with the DFGT but I feel more disconnected and finding the limit is not as natural in feel and more trial and error making me less consistent. I am relying more on audio and visual feedback than before. Anyone else who has a DFGT and also G27 find this? Could my FFB be broken? I had my DFGT set to 3 but have my G27 set to 10 and still find it not as good.
 
I've always wondered. I've yet to use anything but a g25. I know when I play iRacing I can feel every little bump in the road. It feels remarkable, but in GT5 I don't hardly feel anything, but DFGT users says that they feel a lot more it seems.
 
RSection8
I've always wondered. I've yet to use anything but a g25. I know when I play iRacing I can feel every little bump in the road. It feels remarkable, but in GT5 I don't hardly feel anything, but DFGT users says that they feel a lot more it seems.
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As a dfgt owner I can say that I feel alot of the road.

Is the g27 an upgrade lol?
 
I noticed very similar things as the OP when I first made the switch. I created a thread for it here. I think that thread has a lot of the answers you are looking for. It is not easy to find with the search button, because only the most recent 100 threads show.

After time, I am glad I made the switch. The ffb is definitely more subtle with the G27. But it is soo much quieter, and the pedals are far superior.

Hope this helps,

:cheers:
 
Blaze_409
Are you serious!? That sucks. I just ordered a G27......
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Yes, I'm serious.

RSection8
I've always wondered. I've yet to use anything but a g25. I know when I play iRacing I can feel every little bump in the road. It feels remarkable, but in GT5 I don't hardly feel anything, but DFGT users says that they feel a lot more it seems.
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I have only played an hour or so with the G27 on G27. Looks like I will try somr PC sims and hopefully the FFB is better than the DFGT in them. Will also try F1 2010 and 2011 on PS3.

redreevos
I noticed very similar things as the OP when I first made the switch. I created a thread for it here. I think that thread has a lot of the answers you are looking for. It is not easy to find with the search button, because only the most recent 100 threads show.

After time, I am glad I made the switch. The ffb is definitely more subtle with the G27. But it is soo much quieter, and the pedals are far superior.

Hope this helps,

:cheers:
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Our intial findings are more or less identical. I did not search and went on to just post my intial findings. Looks like my wheel is not broken. That leaves me with the option of waiting for PD to implement better FFB now it is an official wheel or to get a Fanatec or T500RS. I think I will keep it if it performsbetter in other games. I like the quietness of the wheel and the speed of it. I prefer the DFGT shift buttons compared to the paddles though but I expected that to be the case before buying the wheel. The pedals seem quite good but will need to get used to it. Will update this thread when I try some other games out.

Coxis
Did you try searching?

There is already a topic for this, and its name is almost exactly the same.

FFB G27 vs. DFGT

EDIT: Beaten by the thread author. ;)
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No I did not. It is good to know that I'm not the only one as will save hassle returning it for a replacement.
 
A cheaper wheel will often have more pronounced road feel because of lighter build and less feeling of damping, it happens with every upgrade I do.

However once you get use to it you can listen to the feedback in more detail and in the end the subtlety and smoothness wins over.

Spoken by someone who's wheel history are as followed:

Formula EX, MOMO Black, MOMO Red, DFGT, G25, Fanatec GT2.
 
JJ72
A cheaper wheel will often have more pronounced road feel because of lighter build and less feeling of damping, it happens with every upgrade I do.

However once you get use to it you can listen to the feedback in more detail and in the end the subtlety and smoothness wins over.

Spoken by someone who's wheel history are as followed:

Formula EX, MOMO Black, MOMO Red, DFGT, G25, Fanatec GT2.
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I am finding it hard to listen to the feedback because it seems lacking in all areas compared to the DFGT. I have maximised FFB levels in all games I tried whether on PC or PS3 and still feels similar to no feedback compared to the DFGT or on 1 on GT5. I might return it for a replacement and see if that solves my problem but if the feedback level is still so low I don't know if I will be able to put up with it. I am a lot less consistent now as there is no feel of the limit.


Energizerrr
It's most likely due to the fact that G27 is a PC wheel and DFGT was made for GT5:Prologue/PS3...
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I tried it now on the PC and it feels just as weak, if not worse in some other games.


Anyone with a G27 have the feeling / sound of say this when you push down to roll the dice?

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Well I have tested the wheel further and it feels like there is no tyre feedback and lack of road feel. Even turned all the way up, you can't really feel curbs or grass, it is very subtle and when you smash over curbs, it gives that feel of that dice thing I showed above. The only feedback seems to be weight transfer and that is subtle. It makes countersteering easier but you still can't feel the limit of the car in terms of driving it flat out. That is really the only FFB feel, otherwise to me it would feel similar to DFGT FFB turned off.

Reading reviews beforehand, surely the wheel can't be that bad? It seems just a bit better than cheap resistance steering wheels at the moment.
 
I read the above thread. Same issues as what you guys are explaining. It's a software issue and that's no big surprise. I guess PD wanted to make more money and market certain wheels (DFGT and T500RS). I primarily play iRacing so it doesn't effect me too much, but maybe if my G25 was supported more in GT5 I would play more.
 
RSection8
I read the above thread. Same issues as what you guys are explaining. It's a software issue and that's no big surprise. I guess PD wanted to make more money and market certain wheels (DFGT and T500RS). I primarily play iRacing so it doesn't effect me too much, but maybe if my G25 was supported more in GT5 I would play more.
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I had tried PC sims as well and the FFB is poor. My only hope is that the wheel I got is broken. The G25 and G27 is now officially suported in GT5 by the way. The reviews I read don't match up to my experience so far.
 
saidur_ali
I had tried PC sims as well and the FFB is poor. My only hope is that the wheel I got is broken. The G25 and G27 is now officially suported in GT5 by the way. The reviews I read don't match up to my experience so far.
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The only thing i can think of is that do you use your g27 in a hot room. It is winter and people tend to use there heating.? The G27 as a thermal sensor that reduces or may even shut off the force feed back if the wheel gets too hot.
 
Blaze_409
The only thing i can think of is that do you use your g27 in a hot room. It is winter and people tend to use there heating.? The G27 as a thermal sensor that reduces or may even shut off the force feed back if the wheel gets too hot.
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Have you received your G27 yet? If so can you let me know how you find it. Anyway it is definately not due to heat as it is it is cool at the base.
 
When I upgraded from a DFGT to a G27 I thought the G27 was waaaaayyy better feeling, so smooth and quiet, and strong, and less clunky than the DFGT.
 
It will get here tommoeow but I don't want to open it until christmas lol. I'm going I wrap it and pretend I don't know what it is lol
 
Gdog96
When I upgraded from a DFGT to a G27 I thought the G27 was waaaaayyy better feeling, so smooth and quiet, and strong, and less clunky than the DFGT.
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I wish I could say it is way better in feeling but at the moment I can't. Maybe in the future I can say that if I get a replacement and it feels better.

Blaze_409
It will get here tommoeow but I don't want to open it until christmas lol. I'm going I wrap it and pretend I don't know what it is lol
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Enjoy your very surprising Christmas present on the 25th ;) . Let me know how you find it when you can. Thanks 👍.
 
I used my DFGT on 8. No power assist. At one point i sat down and tested the settings to see what was faster. I decided to keep power assist off.
 
Hello again,

So the G27 came and *cough cough* i needed to make sure that there was a G27 and not some other wheel inside the box *cough cough* so i opened it and from what i can already see the G27 is a huge improvement. Its so much quieter. The Pedals are so much more stiff. And the Paddle shifters are leaps over the buttons on the G27..The shifter/button box is a nice add on over the DFGT.

I havent turned it on yet so I cant comment on the FfB yet but i will update you ASAP. Maybe today lol. Im not sure i can wait till christmas lol.

I did notice that the G27 wheel diameter itself is smaller? than the DFGT or atleast it feels that way?
 
Im back. And ive been using the G27 for a couple of hours. My observations where yes that the g27 didnt behave in the hacksaw way that the dfgt behaved in. but i liked it. It was alot easier to drive. I love the pedals. Its like they gave me better brakes literally. All my cars feel like they stop faster with the g27 pedals.
 
Also, While i do think there is a a bit less feedback in terms of hitting curbs etc....I think it actually makes me faster. On tracks like the Nurburgring where its very bumpy and the DFGT would feed me all the road bumps It would actually give me so little confidence in the grip levels of the car and i was more cautious.

However driving with the G27 since I feel less of that bumping from the road or atleast it more subtle but i can still feel it. I have more confidence to just push and bang the curbs etc...I love the G@7 already. Even though I am still adjusting to using the substantially more resistant brake pedal and hence a little slower at the moment. I have no regrets and i want to stick with the G27 because it will no doublt be better in games like Iracing.
 
I've owned a DFGT, G27 and now own a Fanatec GT3RS. I only play GT5 so I can only give you my obervations in GT5.
Between the DFGT and G27 I felt little to no difference in force feedback. The only thing that I felt is different is the smoothness of the wheels. The G27 being the smoother one of course.

Now I own a Fanatec GT3RS and I have to say that I'm still not completely adjusted to its force feedback. I don't feel the kerbs and bumps much but that's not the biggest problem. I can't feel the limit of the tyres grip too well either. I can't feel when the car is about to understeer or oversteer and I thought I did have that feeling with the DFGT and the G27. I've tried every setting possible and I think I now have the best setting possible. It's still nowhere near the force feedback of DFGT/G27 though. The only thing that's sure is that I'm less consistent with this wheel but I'm not giving up on it yet. I hope I'll adapt to this wheel one day.
 
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Yeah I agree with you on that the g27 feedback is little to no different than that of the DFGT. What might give people that impression is that the G27 is SO DAMN SILKY SMOOTH lol. The Feed back is not herky jerky like that of the DFGT. The quietness on this wheel is a godsend. When I powered up my DFGT every in my house knew I was playing GT5 lol. With the G27 the noise is minimal. You dont even hear it unless you focusing on hearing it. Otherwise the game sounds drown it out.
The g27 is a keeper no doubt!
 
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w-g-e
I've owned a DFGT, G27 and now own a Fanatec GT3RS. I only play GT5 so I can only give you my obervations in GT5.
Between the DFGT and G27 I felt little to no difference in force feedback. The only thing that I felt is different is the smoothness of the wheels. The G27 being the smoother one of course.

Now I own a Fanatec GT3RS and I have to say that I'm still not completely adjusted to its force feedback. I don't feel the kerbs and bumps much but that's not the biggest problem. I can't feel the limit of the tyres grip too well either. I can't feel when the car is about to understeer or oversteer and I thought I did have that feeling with the DFGT and the G27. I've tried every setting possible and I think I now have the best setting possible. It's still nowhere near the force feedback of DFGT/G27 though. The only thing that's sure is that I'm less consistent with this wheel but I'm not giving up on it yet. I hope I'll adapt to this wheel one day.
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Your GT3RS problems seem similar to my G27. I will be returning my wheel for a replacement, maybe something got damaged during transit. Same maybe could have happened to your GT3RS? Do you have yours set to 100% feedback on the on wheel settings? Anyway if my replacement feels messed up I might stick with DFGT and wait for a CSR wheel with a better rim.

Blaze_409
Yeah I agree with you on that the g27 feedback is little to no different than that of the DFGT. What might give people that impression is that the G27 is SO DAMN SILKY SMOOTH lol. The Feed back is not herky jerky like that of the DFGT. The quietness on this wheel is a godsend. When I powered up my DFGT every in my house knew I was playing GT5 lol. With the G27 the noise is minimal. You dont even hear it unless you focusing on hearing it. Otherwise the game sounds drown it out.
The g27 is a keeper no doubt!
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Good to hear, I'm hoping when I get a replacement I can feel tyre feedback. Otherwise without it, consistency goes out the window for me. The quietness of the G27 I like a lot (Main reason I got the wheel in the first place), I know the Fanatec's are a lot quiter on rally though but it is still a lot better than the DFGT in that aspect.
 

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