GET RID OF PADLOCKS

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I am a disabled driver only able to use 2 thumbs and auto gears. Therefore I am not as good as most drivers. However like everyone else I have paid my money for the game, so I don't see why I should be denied any part of the career mode. Or should I be given a 20% discount since I can only play 80% of the game. Since all the padlocks are in single player mode, how would it affect anyone else if I and others like me were allowed at least to attempt Super level races and all other races hidden behind padlocks?
 
smitty33
How would it affect anyone else if I and others like me were allowed at least to attempt Super level races and all other races hidden behind padlocks?
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You're right, it wouldn't. What you need is a lock pick option. ;)

I suppose what PD could do is if a player fails to complete a race a set number of times, a message could pop up and ask if you want to unlock it and move on to the next. Or perhaps lower the difficulty of the race somehow.
Everyone deserves to get to see all of the game they paid for.
 
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so what's stopping you from advancing?
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While I can't answer for Smitty33 exactly, after reading the OP I realised that there may well be less able bodied racers out there who have problems with dexterity or coordination (and such like) who would like to progress within the game, but feel they held back.
I thought a few in game options wouldn't go amiss to help them out.
 
I was able to unlock all the races in 4 days, but I think all the races should be unlocked from the start so I can play career races in whatever order I want with the cars I like.
Also, licenses should be optional, I've already played previous GT games as well as other racing games with aids off, I don't like having to spend my time doing tutorials of stuff I'm already familiar with.
 
I still dont see the problem? There must be something in the game that is too difficult for you to complete, so what is it? The licences just requires bronze, I can do that with one hand. the races is just as easy if you tune your car to the PP limit...
I just dont see the problem... Most kids games are harder than GT6 apart from just a few events like some of the red bull races, and the kart races, etc.

It's just that, newcomers might not realize it, but GT6 is by far the easiest Gran Turismo ever.
And I realize you cant make the game too difficult as most people would find it impossible, but we seriously don't need GT6 to be any easier than it already is.:indiff:
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I still dont see the problem? There must be something in the game that is too difficult for you to complete, so what is it? The licences just requires bronze, I can do that with one hand. the races is just as easy if you tune your car to the PP limit...
I just dont see the problem... Most kids games are harder than GT6 apart from just a few events like some of the red bull races, and the kart races, etc.

It's just that, newcomers might not realize it, but GT6 is by far the easiest Gran Turismo ever.
And I realize you cant make the game too difficult as most people would find it impossible, but we seriously don't need GT6 to be any easier than it already is.:indiff:
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You say that you do not see what the problem is, the problem is that all my fingers are arthritic, so I cannot, as I used to, change gear manually, or even hold the car in a gear
However I am not asking for the game to be made easier at all. I don't even mind if they make the later races more difficult. What I am asking for is to be able to attempt all the races I have paid for even if I finish last, without first of all having to unlock them. The padlocks only exist in single player mode, so it would not affect anyone else's enjoyment of the game if the padlocks were removed.
I have in fact now finished on the podium in the World Championship, and completed the S licence, but it took me over 100 hours of mind bending grinding to do it. A complete and utter waste of time and completely unneeded.
The ironic part of it is that having done that, I find that what I unlocked, (Super level) was far easier than the licence tests I had to complete to unlock them
 
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Ok, now I get it, and yes maybe... but it's always been this way, in all games ever in fact, you have to complete the missions/races/tasks in order to progress through the game.

But yeah, I see your point, in this instance, it would'nt really matter for the pro racers, and it would help those who are less able to win the races...

Still don't agree tho...
 
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Ok, now I get it, and yes maybe... but it's always been this way, in all games ever in fact, you have to complete the missions/races/tasks in order to progress through the game.

But yeah, I see your point, in this instance, it would'nt really matter for the pro racers, and it would help those who are less able to win the races...

Still don't agree tho...
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You don't agree that less able-bodied gamers should have the chance to access all of the content they paid for? Really?
 
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You don't agree that less able-bodied gamers should have the chance to access all of the content they paid for? Really?
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They should work for it, by completing events. By completing events you progress through the game.

Thats how games work, name one that does'nt!

It's like saying all missions in grand theft auto should be available all the time.
 
GT and most games are about unlocking stuff. People say the journey is half the fun, if the journey is gone, there's for some people, less fun. Either way the game is pretty easy enough, also there's lot's of items I payed for *cough cough Youtube GT-R* that I payed for technically payed for but can't get(too lazy and don't wanna break my play stay, also there's enough GT-Rs to buy, plus YT is dieing, but that's going off-topic). If you have trouble in the game ask for help, there's no rule against having someone else unlock the stuff for you.
 
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They should work for it, by completing events. By completing events you progress through the game.

Thats how games work, name one that does'nt!

It's like saying all missions in grand theft auto should be available all the time.
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Let me stress that I am not asking for special dispensation for people who are disabled in any way. I am simply pointing out that licence tests in all single player mode games are totally unnecessary. They achieve nothing other than to deny the less capable, content they have paid for. Stating that this is the way it has always been done, so it must be right , shows a lack of thought.
For hundreds of years, parents and teachers, controlled children by inflicting physical pain. This had to be right because it was the way it had always been done? Think about it.
Let me give you another analogy. Would you join a golf club where every hole was slightly more difficult than the one before it, which only allowed you to play the 1st three holes until you had par scores on all 3. Then and only then were you allowed to play holes 4 to 6 etc until you had a par score on all the 1st 15 holes? Is that what you mean by they should work at it to progress through the game? I guarantee you that golf club would be very short of members.
 
@smitty33 : that is true, but a game without a carrermode wouldn't last long either.
Is the licences really that much of a problem?
I'm sorry to hear about your disability, but even so, bronze should be doable for you. I'd use the default button assignation (☐ and ✕ for brake and throttle, and left analog stick for steering)
If its still a problem even getting bronze, ask for help, family and friends tend to want to help if you just ask.:)
And if thats not possible, ask here on GTP, someone here might be able to help. What you do is to send your login details (email and password) along with your gamesave file, and they'll be able to complete the events, and send the new gamesave file back to you.:p

Removing the padlocks changes the structure of the carrermode and isn't really an alternative.
 
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@smitty33 : that is true, but a game without a carrermode wouldn't last long either.
Is the licences really that much of a problem?
I'm sorry to hear about your disability, but even so, bronze should be doable for you. I'd use the default button assignation (☐ and ✕ for brake and throttle, and left analog stick for steering)
If its still a problem even getting bronze, ask for help, family and friends tend to want to help if you just ask.:)
And if thats not possible, ask here on GTP, someone here might be able to help. What you do is to send your login details (email and password) along with your gamesave file, and they'll be able to complete the events, and send the new gamesave file back to you.:p

Removing the padlocks changes the structure of the carrermode and isn't really an alternative.
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Thank you but I don't need any help. In March I ground it out for over 100 hours.I got a podium position in the World Championship. I got at least a bronze pass in all the S level licences including driving a pig of a car round Ascari (Veyron). However was it really necessary for me to do so. Its single player mode, would it have affected anyone else if I and others like me didn't have to do this. To add insult to injury these 6 bronzes were by far, more difficult than the races unlocked by getting them. There are several series in International A level that are far more difficult than any at Super level.
Then of course afterwards my disk started to refuse to load and I had to buy the game again and start again. I wont be taking the S licence this time.
 
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@smitty33 : that is true, but a game without a carrermode wouldn't last long either.

Is the licences really that much of a problem.
I'm sorry to hear about your disability, but even so, bronze should be doable for you.

I'd use the default button assignation (☐ and ✕ for brake and throttle, and left analog stick for steering)
If its still a problem even getting bronze, ask for help, family and friends tend to want to help if you just ask.:)
And if thats not possible, ask here on GTP, someone here might be able to help. What you do is to send your login details (email and password) along with your gamesave file, and they'll be able to complete the events, and send the new gamesave file back to you.:p

Removing the padlocks changes the structure of the carrermode and isn't really an alternative.
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Are you being serious?
 
He has a fair point, it's pretty unfair that he can't enjoy all the content he paid for, for reason out of his control.

Maybe the game should let you choose if you want to play the career part the 'unlocking way' or 'all unlocked' from the beginning. That way, if you're for some reason not able to unlock events, you can still play them and enjoy all the content you paid for. But you can always choose to play the game the 'regular' way.
 
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@smitty33 ...but a game without a career mode wouldn't last long either.
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I agree with you to some extent. However in GT6 there isn't really a career mode where you progress through different classes, slowly improving your cars to race in more difficult races/championships. The current "career" mode hasn't really got any sort of continuity. It's just a seemingly random set of events usually against a very random set of cars. And eventually you reach the "barrier" of the license tests, which you have to pass to get to some slightly better races (rinse and repeat).
I understand now that it's these barriers that Smitty would at least like to option to remove. Then he'd have access to all the better races without the (100!) hours of struggle to get to them.
It shouldn't feel like a chore, it should be fun. The game should be adaptable so everyone can enjoy it in their own way.

You also said - The licences just requires bronze, I can do that with one hand.
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You have to also consider that there maybe some people out there who's only option is to do just that!


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Maybe the game should let you choose if you want to play the career part the 'unlocking way' or 'all unlocked' from the beginning. That way, if you're for some reason not able to unlock events, you can still play them and enjoy all the content you paid for. But you can always choose to play the game the 'regular' way.
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A very good idea. Although if you choose the unlocked way I suppose they would have to give you some initial credits to buy at least a few cars.

(While we are at it let's get rid of those credits too. I want to drive all of the cars - now.) :mischievous:


All this is probably to late for GT6 - Perhaps they will do things slightly differently for GT7 (and beyond). However PD do seem to be stuck in their ways. We can only hope. 👍
 
To me locking events and forcing players to play races in a specific order is simply bad game design.
Shift 2 & Forza 4 are much better in that sense and give players more freedom on how they want to play career mode.

Having all the events unlocked from the start and making licenses optional would be much better than forcing players to play events in a specific order.

In that way people who want to start with a crap car and work their way up to have a sense of progression could still do so, while people who prefer to skip around and play events in their own way can do so as well.
It's a win-win situation, everybody get what they want, the way other players play their career mode won't have any effect in the way I play my own career mode.
Now if the people who supposedly want progression don't have the discipline to play events in a specific order unless the game is locked and forces them to do so then it's not a matter of game design, it's a problem with player mentality.

I think games should have options.
To me "the real driving simulator" should be played with aids off, cockpit view, damage & penalties on, but if PD were to remove driving aids, have cockpit view only, and have damage & penalties that cannot be turned off in every race I bet 90% of people in this board would quit playing GT.

That's why I'm all for having options, the more options the better, options make the game accessible to more people.
 
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IfAndOr
While we are at it let's get rid of those credits too. I want to drive all of the cars - now.
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If you think thats a good idea, we're on completely different levels of perception of what a game should be, that we'll never agree. I'm out, Peace:)
 
IMO padlocks aren't needed and should be simply substituted by car restrictions instead, just like in real life, the only reason you can't compete in a race is you don't own the right car, or licenses, something that PD took from true racing. But I also think that there should be two different career modes: 'Ultimate Driving Simulator' with a career as similar to a real racing driver as possible and a 'GT Life' a current career mode without blockages. Slightly off topic but manufacturer race would be nice, and could be a way of unlocking cars to stop grinding, however these would take effort as there are big prizes and maybe would only be unlocked once you have completed 100% of either career mode.
 

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