Getting a wheel: G27, Fanatic, etc.

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......your just paying more money to play on xbox....

I was thinking the non Xbox compatible and more inexpensive option with the load cell breaking and belt driven more precise operation, and a build quality for its time that matched that of real world vehicles. Sorry, the G27 is a great wheel, but it will not last as long, and not perform as well as the GT3 RS. There is also a chance that Logy will stop developing for the G27, while this is not the case for the GT3 RS.

I have used both, on both PC and PS3, and only took the Logitech over the Fanatec because the shipping is too high for Canada, not US of A, and I can't get any rates on down under. Price to price, the wheel costs less, and offers more, and has a Porsche license for a reason, and that is because of its build quality.
 
In my opinion if you are not getting the CSR Elite pedals you might as well just get the G27, the GT3 RS Value XL is the same price as the G27, and correct me if I am wrong, uses dual motors and belts rather than gears.

The CSR Elite wheel does have dual motors and is belt drive. The FFB is very smooth, quiet and very strong [about 60-70% stronger than the GT3] even at a setting of 5 in the game it is stronger than most people would want.

The Elite Pedals are good from what I hear. I use the Club Sport pedals and they are great.

I should note that i do not have a GT3 but it is my understanding that it is basically the same as the Turbo S without the XBox support. The one issue I have with the Turbo S is the paddle shifters, while they work ok they do tend to trigger double shifts more often than does the CSR wheels. This can be a problem especially when downshifting from high speed for a tight corner, Getting 1st when you are trying for 2nd and entering a corner can be a very bad thing ;)

I also considered a G27 when I bought my first Fanatec but since I also play Forza I wanted a wheel that i could use for both and after buying the Fanatec I am glad I spent the extra money. They are by far the best wheels I have laid my hands on.
 
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You have points on some of those, but I've seen YouTube videos (from a while ago, mind you - I can't remember who uploaded them or the title) that said the G27 had stronger FFB. Granted, I'm not speaking from personal experience here - I can't tell you how strong the FFB on the Fanatec wheels are, having never owned one. One thing I am speaking from personal experience on, however, is the durability. I've been using my G25 for far longer than a racing wheel has a right to last, and I've only had minor issues with the potentiometers on the gas and brake, and the occasional deal where the wheel isn't quite centered. Keep in mind I tend to (ab)use this wheel for sometimes many hours a day.

As far as the PS4/XBONE compatibility, I should have worded it better. I meant that Logitech is probably working on compatibility for those consoles and might add it in later if possible (which it's probably not going to be, but hey).

It doesn't matter how you word it, Logitech can't make an HID protocol wheel compatible with the proprietary XID protocol that Microsoft utilizes for their platforms, regardless of how long they work on compatibility. It is not a matter of a simple firmware update. They need specific chips (meaning actual physical hardware), licensed from Microsoft, inside the wheel.

Either that or Microsoft has to decide that they're willing to forgo the licensing of their proprietary protocol and revert to HID like the rest of the accessory world. However, people have been hoping for this scenario for quite some time already and it doesn't seem to be any closer to becoming reality. Although this would exponentially open up the demographic of people with compatible accessories (which is both good for us and good for them), they would have to give up future licensing fees (and Microsoft seems to have a hard time seeing the bigger picture here). There is also the fact that they've already licensed two new Xbox One exclusive wheels, which the two respective manufacturers (Thrustmaster & Madcatz) would have already sunk investments into.
 
Better force feedback than what? It's already been stated in this thread that G27 has been noted to have the weakest force feedback.

I don't know anyone that sets force feedback to maximum on G27. Maximum setting tends to result in slower lap times, as you are fighting against the feedback to keep the car straight.

I have mine set to 40% in GT6. You can feel whats going on, without having to fight for control.
 
Ive used a g25 and a csr (non elite) wheel in the past. Now a g27. Love the logitech wheels, the fanatec wheel not so much. I just dont like the feel of it. It doesnt have the connected feeling the logitechs have. Definitely stronger ffb though
 
I have had two G25s, since they first came out years ago, and then another one 4 years ago when forst one wore out (which took many years of abuse).. The physical wheel itself is better than the CSR I use now, but the CSR has smoother, quieter, and just as strong FF, but what I really like about it is the adjustments that can be made on the wheel, on the fly. That is a huge difference, and makes up for it's weak points. After tightening up all the screws on the wheel, if feels a lot better and not so creaky as when it was new. It can take a lot more abuse than you think. I wish there was more metal and leather though, like the Logitech wheels.
 
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Theres slot against Xbox if your thinking of multi consoles, and believe sony are working on peripheral support for ps4 including logitech and turtle beachs. Believe the T500RS is ps4 ready.
 
It doesn't matter how you word it, Logitech can't make an HID protocol wheel compatible with the proprietary XID protocol that Microsoft utilizes for their platforms, regardless of how long they work on compatibility. It is not a matter of a simple firmware update. They need specific chips (meaning actual physical hardware), licensed from Microsoft, inside the wheel.

Either that or Microsoft has to decide that they're willing to forgo the licensing of their proprietary protocol and revert to HID like the rest of the accessory world. However, people have been hoping for this scenario for quite some time already and it doesn't seem to be any closer to becoming reality. Although this would exponentially open up the demographic of people with compatible accessories (which is both good for us and good for them), they would have to give up future licensing fees (and Microsoft seems to have a hard time seeing the bigger picture here). There is also the fact that they've already licensed two new Xbox One exclusive wheels, which the two respective manufacturers (Thrustmaster & Madcatz) would have already sunk investments into.

Well, darn. I'm not expecting the G27 to have PS4 compatibility either since my G25 doesn't work with PS4, but maybe that's an issue that Logitech can fix without having to release a wheel that works with a new protocol.
 
For what it's worth, I got my g27 about a month ago, $250 usd. I love it. Has all the required button's, option to use the clutch and 6 speed H gate, though many race/full customizable trannys are sequential and you can't use the clutch.

My brother has the DFGT which feels very similar in steering but the pedals have next to no feel. I like the way mine feel stock, very similar to my personal vehicle, sub the clutch.

I cant speak for fanatic, I will try my buddy's thrustmaster next weekend, but my buddy says it is significantly better than mine, $300 worth, I will find out.
 
For what it's worth, I got my g27 about a month ago, $250 usd. I love it. Has all the required button's, option to use the clutch and 6 speed H gate, though many race/full customizable trannys are sequential and you can't use the clutch.

My brother has the DFGT which feels very similar in steering but the pedals have next to no feel. I like the way mine feel stock, very similar to my personal vehicle, sub the clutch.

I cant speak for fanatic, I will try my buddy's thrustmaster next weekend, but my buddy says it is significantly better than mine, $300 worth, I will find out.
That's how i feel i bought my G27 for 288$ that's with 2 day shipping. IT is everything i hoped for and more tbh, the brake peddle is pretty stiff stock i don't get why people moan about the brake so much the mod seams pointless to me. Granted i don't sim race every day, i work 58 hours a week.
 
I don't know anyone that sets force feedback to maximum on G27. Maximum setting tends to result in slower lap times, as you are fighting against the feedback to keep the car straight.

I have mine set to 40% in GT6. You can feel whats going on, without having to fight for control.
A lot of people seem to think that the higher the FFB, the mo' better. I was one of these people but after watching that FFB clipping video, I've put it down to 3-6, depending on GT6 update.
 
I have tried both Fanatic and G27 and imho the G27 is the best all around wheel for the money. If your want to play on 360 then get a Fanatic simple as that. I like the G27 for the price and imo it looks better and well built. Some people will say Fanatic is god send, but tbh your paying for the logo and the smooth FFB. For the money your not going to be faster or look any better then the GT7, your just paying more money to play on xbox.

You can get the Fanatec GT3 combo with load cell brake pedal for pretty much the same price as a G27, and it won't have a self destructing part in it like the G27. It's a no-brainer. If you spend $250 on a G27 now there's a good chance you'll be spending $250 on a Fanatec in a year or two when your G27 breaks. The Fanatec is a little larger, has better FFB, has controls on the wheel for FFB and steering rotation, and the load cell brake pedal certainly can make you faster. The combo also comes with a sequential shifter which is a huge bonus for me, I use it almost exclusively and thoroughly enjoy it.
 
You can get the Fanatec GT3 combo with load cell brake pedal for pretty much the same price as a G27, and it won't have a self destructing part in it like the G27. It's a no-brainer. If you spend $250 on a G27 now there's a good chance you'll be spending $250 on a Fanatec in a year or two when your G27 breaks. The Fanatec is a little larger, has better FFB, has controls on the wheel for FFB and steering rotation, and the load cell brake pedal certainly can make you faster. The combo also comes with a sequential shifter which is a huge bonus for me, I use it almost exclusively and thoroughly enjoy it.
I can show you proof fanatec is no more reliable then a g27 do a google search, if you drive like a moron it will break. And looking at the championship leaders in IRacing more have won using the stock G27 then any wheel. Back to GT6 why even bother with Fanatec when all it does is emulate the G27 ffb. The G27 holds it's own any day of the week.
 
My only input will be
g27=$215 shipped
gt3+csr pedals=$300 shipped

I have neither of these but know both have their pros and cons.
 
I can show you proof fanatec is no more reliable then a g27 do a google search, if you drive like a moron it will break. And looking at the championship leaders in IRacing more have won using the stock G27 then any wheel. Back to GT6 why even bother with Fanatec when all it does is emulate the G27 ffb. The G27 holds it's own any day of the week.

Care to share your proof that I and many others drive like a moron? The optical coder wheel in the G27 is made out of cheap plastic instead of metal and it develops thin cracks that cause the wheel to not center properly. I have a pal who had this happen within weeks of getting his wheel and he's one of the more skilled drivers on this board, I can assure you he doesn't drive like a moron. I'm not saying Fanatec is indestructible and they certainly don't have a spotless record in reliability but they do not have a known defective part in them waiting to implode.

For my money the Fanatec is as good or better than the G27 in every way (especially the brake pedal) and costs about the same as the G27. Plus the combo comes with a sequential shifter which the G27 doesn't offer in anyway. I preached the glory of Logitech wheels for well over a decade, but never again.
 
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For my money the Fanatec is as good or better than the G27 in every way (especially the brake pedal) and costs about the same as the G27. Plus the combo comes with a sequential shifter which the G27 doesn't offer in anyway. I preached the glory of Logitech wheels for well over a decade, but never again.

Can you show me where I can get a GT3 for about the same as the G27?
 
Last I knew G27's were still around $250, guess they're a bit cheaper now. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest, just sharing my experience and advice. I've been using Logitech FFB wheels since the late 90's and loved them until the G27 debacle and finding out it was a rather common problem. For that reason I always recommend against them in the hopes of sparing someone else the frustration I and many others have gone through.
 
Care to share your proof that I and many others drive like a moron? The optical coder wheel in the G27 is made out of cheap plastic instead of metal and it develops thin cracks that cause the wheel to not center properly. I have a pal who had this happen within weeks of getting his wheel and he's one of the more skilled drivers on this board, I can assure you he doesn't drive like a moron. I'm not saying Fanatec is indestructible and they certainly don't have a spotless record in reliability but they do not have a known defective part in them waiting to implode.

For my money the Fanatec is as good or better than the G27 in every way (especially the brake pedal) and costs about the same as the G27. Plus the combo comes with a sequential shifter which the G27 doesn't offer in anyway. I preached the glory of Logitech wheels for well over a decade, but never again.
Did you not google the fail rate of the fanatec is that the wheel of choice and will that justify the cost.. i don't think so bub. It's not the be all see all wheel you think it is. The wheel you make that out to be is the
T500RS Racing Wheel
and i can see spending the money on that, but don't tell me the fanatec is a step up from a g27 when it emulates the ffb of the g27.
 
http://us.fanatec.com/index.php?route=module/configurator

GT3 and basic pedals - $200
GT3, shifters, and Elite pedals - $260

The OP is in Australia though, and the options are different.

The load cell brake is well worth the extra money if one can afford it. If not the G27 pedals are probably better than the standard Fanatec pedals. The G27 is a good wheel, just a bit fragile.

Did you not google the fail rate of the fanatec is that the wheel of choice and will that justify the cost.. i don't think so bub. It's not the be all see all wheel you think it is. The wheel you make that out to be is the
T500RS Racing Wheel
and i can see spending the money on that, but don't tell me the fanatec is a step up from a g27 when it emulates the ffb of the g27.

I never said it was the be all end all wheel and didn't say the FFB was drastically better either. I said it's a little bigger which feels better in your hand, it has nice controls on the wheel and has a marvelous load cell brake pedal at a similar price point (though not quite as similar as I thought). That's just my opinion, and we're all allowed to have our own.

The T500RS is far more expensive than a G27, not even compare able and I never implied the Fanatec was even near that quality of wheel. I'm done here, my advice is to get the Fanatec if you can afford it. Take it or leave it and my apologies if that offends anyone.
 
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http://us.fanatec.com/index.php?route=module/configurator

GT3 and basic pedals - $200
GT3, shifters, and Elite pedals - $260

The OP is in Australia though, and the options are different.

Good spot. Did not even see the pack at the bottom.
That brings it down to about $240 shipped.

Last I knew G27's were still around $250, guess they're a bit cheaper now. I'm not trying to start a pissing contest, just sharing my experience and advice. I've been using Logitech FFB wheels since the late 90's and loved them until the G27 debacle and finding out it was a rather common problem. For that reason I always recommend against them in the hopes of sparing someone else the frustration I and many others have gone through.
I think G27 is more expensive now than I remember maybe 2-3 years ago. You could find them for ~$190 every couple months. Either way LeMansAid pointed out the cheap bundle.
 
I like this thread the GT7 wins bang for your buck. And it's pissing people off.
You're being silly. GT3 and G27 are very comparable, with preferences being the decider in my opinion. I have a GT3 and belt drive was a big deal for me in my decision making. The G27 is a remarkable mainstay though, and I'd never try to talk anyone out of buying one. Considering the Fanatec packages available in Oz, I'd probably think the OP is best served getting a G27 in fact.
 
You seem to be the only one emotionally affected by this thread.
So let's drop this kiddie BS and let OP decide what he should do with his money.
Just speaking the truth man. Let the truth set you free.
 
I've had all the cheaper versions of Logitech's arsenal for years and finally got a G25 in the second year of production. It worked very well and I loved it for 4.5 years. I retired it (still working perfectly) for a T500RS 14 months ago. For a year I have been singing the praises of the Thrustmaster over the G25. The G25 feels like a toy to me now by comparison. However, about 6 weeks ago one of the brake springs broke. I disassembled the pedal set to examine it and removed the broken pieces. I reassembled it so that I could use it while Thrustmaster shipped me a "spring set". When the spring set arrived (6 springs total - 2 per pedal with the brake springs a bit stiffer than the other 4). I put 2 new springs in the brake and took the unbroken one and put it in the throttle to add a bit more resistance. Two weeks later, that spring also broke, so I rebuilt the throttle with 2 new springs from the kit. At this point I've had the pedal set disaasembled 3 times. Then last week one of the new springs in the brake broke again. These springs must not be tempered properly. I am a very smooth driver and ease all pedal functions rather than slamming my foot down so they have not been abused.

Further more I had purchased one of the new Thrustmaster wireless headsets for Christmas ($140) and it lasted 2 weeks before the ON/OFF button failed to function anymore. Then just 4 days ago, my Thrustmaster Ferrari F1 wheel took a dump when one of the toggles shorted out, turning 5 of the 9 buttons into honking the horn function. Thankfully, the GT wheel still works normally or I wouldn't be racing. Bottom line here though is that I loved the T500RS but am beginning to regret buying it as Thrustmaster has some definite quality issues and questionable quality control. An email to their Customer Support 4 days ago has still not been answered.
 
I am going to do my best, to compare them by paper.

The Logitech G27, when it launched, people knew that it would be quite the wheel, given how good the G25 was. The wheel would be good for modding, and good for any realistic cockpit projects. The G27 would be smoother than the G25, have stronger force feedback, and have pedals modified ever so slightly, to feel much better. The pedal was just what the customers wanted.
These days the wheel is website listed at 299.99, with free shipping, and what you get is the wheel itself, with its dual motor, helical geared force feedback, paddles made of stainless steel, shifter lights, a rim made up of real leather, and tried and true pedals, with adjustable positions for the pedal faces. The shifter comes as a slight downgrade from the G25, losing the sequential function. This wheel also has 4 different adjustments for steering degrees in game.

Fanatec has a different approach to selling a wheel. They allow you to either buy the wheel standalone, and use the good old Logitech pedals, with an adapter of course, or you can go ahead and buy some pedals, and if you must, a shifter set as well, but this can get expensive, so they have come out with bundles. The two bundles that are most mentionable here, with only PC and PS3 in mind, the Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 Value Pack ($199.95), and its XL variant ($259.95) both prices before shipping. The wheel you get for both is the Porsche 911 GT3 RS V2 wheel, with its 550 sized motor powering a belt driven force feedback system, with two more motors for vibration feedback. The wheel is made up of "Automotive" grade materials. This can mean anything depending what countries these materials come from, with U.S. cars being quite cheaply made (bring the heat), and German cars, being made with the top notch. The wheel is adjustable with its built in menu, and can store up to 5 presets. The rim is hand stitched, much like the G27, but this one is with Alcantara leather. The angle of steering can be changed in increments of 10 degrees, and to whom it may concern, has a drift mode. The paddles that come with the wheel are aluminum, but there is an optional carbon fiber set. The base of the wheel is a nice GT3 RS colour, and the wheel has a ring at the top, for a bit more of a racing feel

The normal value pack comes with only the CSR pedals. Spring tension is adjustable, the spacing between the pedals is adjustable, the spring tension on the pedals is adjustable, and the angle of which the pedals sit is also adjustable. The pedals are longer than the G27 standard, and there is an option to buy an inversion kit, where you don't need anything else to mount them to.

The XL value pack has the CSR Elite pedal set, it is for the most part the same shape as the normal version, but this one has a lot more metal in it's construction, and also has a load cell in its brake pedal. This means that the brake pedal will have a much better feel, which can lead to faster lap times. The inversion kit also works on these pedals.

Included also with XL pack is a shifter set, and to metal beams to attach them to the wheel. In this set comes an H-pattern 6 speed shifter, with reverse, and the other being sequential, something that the G27 does not readily have. The shifters have similar build quality to that of the G27 one, but without the leather knob. These shifters can not be clamped to anything but the wheel with the metal beams, but they can be attached on either side.

These two options allow a buyer to better fit the price to their wallet, but although the prices are lower, the shipping will probably be a big factor for choosing between the Fanatec wheels and the Logitech wheels, with Fanatec shipping for myself (Canada) bringing the XL to about $420, which is about two slightly used G27ses This is mostly the fault of UPS, but I am sure the shipping is much lower for those below the border.

Summing it up. Logitech has been known in North America for making wheels that work well, and last a long time doing it. I have not personally had a long test run with a Fanatec wheel, but the wheel does feel great, especially for it's $250 price tag, and has plenty of features that I, and probably many others have never even used. People do say the FFB is too high for their liking, but it can be toned down, allowing for perhaps a longer life of the wheel. If you can, try to give each wheel a test with GT games, just to see how you like them, but in the end, price is the factor for deciding the wheel. The wheels are close enough that if you like Porsche, well than you know which one to get.
 
There's this: http://au.fanatec.com/ShifterAccessories?product_id=650

They are an awkward shape, but I managed to make my own clamps for them. Much easier when hardmounting everything.

I had not seen the clamps, they do look a bit odd, but it would make it much better to clamp it to something. I was meaning for the non-DIY buyer, but what you buy can't ever be perfect, or we would have a bunch of Frex setups for $300. :D
 

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