Global Warming/Climate Change Discussion Thread

[Sam48]

As for whether we're the cause or not, I'm on the fence. I don't think we're making things any better for everyone, but it's debatable whether we're making things significantly worse.

Not really. Scientists who believe in man-made global warming claim Co2 is primarily responsible for a change in climate. Now, after reading this (Quoted below) , you then realize just how arrogant that is.

We cannot distinguish our own contribution from that of nearly every other contributing factor that plays into a change in climate.

 

[alx-ndr]

Meh Global Warming is real... saying otherwise is simply ignorant. I'm surprised that so many people think it's not happening lol.
When there is a world war because worldwide crops are failing and famine, drought and floods ravage the equatorial region then maybe people might take notice =[

We're directly responsible for increasing the amount of CO2, CFCs/greenhouse gases and acidic compounds in the atmosphere as a result of our industrial revolutions, we're cutting back on pollutants now, but it's probably too little too late.

 

[theotherspongey]

Meh Global Warming is real... saying otherwise is simply ignorant. I'm surprised that so many people think it's not happening lol.
When there is a world war because worldwide crops are failing and famine, drought and floods ravage the equatorial region then maybe people might take notice =[

We're directly responsible for increasing the amount of CO2, CFCs/greenhouse gases and acidic compounds in the atmosphere as a result of our industrial revolutions, we're cutting back on pollutants now, but it's probably too little too late.

This.
Try telling this to Sam >_<

 

[Tired Tyres]

Meh Global Warming is real... saying otherwise is simply ignorant. I'm surprised that so many people think it's not happening lol.
When there is a world war because worldwide crops are failing and famine, drought and floods ravage the equatorial region then maybe people might take notice =[

We're directly responsible for increasing the amount of CO2, CFCs/greenhouse gases and acidic compounds in the atmosphere as a result of our industrial revolutions, we're cutting back on pollutants now, but it's probably too little too late.

I take it you have carried out extensive scientific testing to confirm this then?

 

[theotherspongey]

I take it you have carried out extensive scientific testing to confirm this then?

There's tons of evidence!
People are to stubborn to admit they took part in it...

 

[Tired Tyres]

There's tons of evidence!
People are to stubborn to admit they took part in it...

Wrong. There is not one shred of proof. Either way.

I've read that 98% of Carbon emissions are caused by water evaporation and 1.72% is caused by plant rotting processes and volcanic activity. That leaves all of 0.28% for all other causes.

Who is to say who is right and who is wrong?

 

[theotherspongey]

Wrong. There is not one shred of proof. Either way.

I've read that 98% of Carbon emissions are caused by water evaporation and 1.72% is caused by plant rotting processes and volcanic activity. That leaves all of 0.28% for all other causes.

Who is to say who is right and who is wrong?

Factories and cars produce almost 30% of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere...an alarmingly high number, considering in 1940 it was less then 5%.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Factories and cars produce almost 30% of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere...an alarmingly high number, considering in 1940 it was less then 5%.

No they don't. Again. Proof?

 

[theotherspongey]

No they don't.

Yes they do.
Denial much?

You don't have any proof for yours, therefor your argument is completely invalid...

 

[Tired Tyres]

Yes they do.
Denial much?

Again. PROOF?

Edit. I don't need proof that something is not happening. You need proof that it is happening.

 

[theotherspongey]

Again. PROOF?

http://www.thehcf.org/emaila5.html
Yes you do need proof for something YOU think is not happening.

 

[Tesla]

http://www.thehcf.org/emaila5.html
Yes you do need proof for something YOU think is not happening.

Uh, no you don't. What if I think there is an invisible fairy that doesn't show up on any sort of scan sitting on my shoulder right now? Can you prove that there isn't a fairy sitting on my shoulder?

 

[theotherspongey]

Uh, no you don't. What if I think there is an invisible fairy that doesn't show up on any sort of scan sitting on my shoulder right now? Can you prove that there isn't a fairy sitting on my shoulder?

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[Tesla]

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Just getting my point across. You need to prove something that you think is happening, not the other way around. There was a debate about this in the 'Do you believe in God?' thread.

 

[Tired Tyres]

http://www.thehcf.org/emaila5.html
Yes you do need proof for something YOU think is not happening.

Again. You are not posting proof. There is no proof. Don't you get that? For every stat presented in favour of something there is another that contradicts it. That's the primary problem with climate science.

To put it another way.

The scientists working for environmental groups are paid to present evidence that supports climate change.

The scientists working for oil companies are paid to present evidence that denies climate change.

Government scientists are paid to present evidence that supports tax increases to combat something that can't be proven.

 

[Famine]

Factories and cars produce almost 30% of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere...an alarmingly high number, considering in 1940 it was less then 5%.

No they don't. Again. Proof?

http://www.thehcf.org/emaila5.html

Your "proof" does not match your claim. Your "proof", in fact, makes no mention of natural sources at all - which form 96% of all global carbon dioxide emissions.

Worst case scenario for your claim - using the raw figures - one third of 4% comes from cars and factories (1.3%). Best case scenario for your claim - accounting for the absorption of carbon dioxide by natural sources in the carbon cycle - one third of 40% comes from cars and factories (13%). Though I can't find any basis for the claim that cars and factories are the source of 30% of all human-generated carbon dioxide in the link you provide, which accounts for the US only and cites industrial sources (factories) as a much higher proportion than a mere 30% (which is irrelevant anyway - the proportion of each component of human-source carbon dioxide is of no consequence compared to the overall output of human source carbon dioxide).

 

[BobK]

The problem clearly is our numbers...

First of all, it is not established that global warming is occurring, there is just too much conflicting evidence.

Second of all, it's not clear that it's a problem. Sure there are those that will point out all the bad things that could happen, but the possible good things (like frozen tundra becoming arable land) are ignored.

Thirdly, assuming global warming is occurring, the evidence is hardly conclusive that human beings are largely responsible.

So no, it's not clear at all that the problem is our numbers.

 

[Sam48]

This.
Try telling this to Sam >_<

So then what do you make of this?

"We cannot distinguish our own contribution from that of nearly every other contributing factor that plays into a change in climate."

 

[homeforsummer]

I've read that 98% of Carbon emissions are caused by water evaporation

I'd love to know how carbon is evaporated from a compound of hydrogen and oxygen...

 

[Moot]

I'd love to know how carbon is evaporated from a compound of hydrogen and oxygen...

He meant fizzy water.

 

[Famine]

Seawater absorbs carbon dioxide (the oceans are "carbon sinks"). As it evaporates it releases the stored carbon dioxide. Something like 50% of the carbon emissions of the planet annually are through this process, but then again something like 55% of global carbon dioxide absorption annually is in the oceans.

 

[homeforsummer]

Seawater absorbs carbon dioxide (the oceans are "carbon sinks"). As it evaporates it releases the stored carbon dioxide. Something like 50% of the carbon emissions of the planet annually are through this process, but then again something like 55% of global carbon dioxide absorption annually is in the oceans.

I was being a little facetious

But yes, what nature tends to do that humans don't is re-absorb the carbon it releases. Not in the same quantities all the time so there are natural fluctuations, but by and large it's a two-way process.

 

[Tired Tyres]

He meant fizzy water.

Actually I mean the Ocean. There's more to it than H2O you know. There's a link for the science behind it somewhere in this thread.

 

[Moot]

I was was making a little joke.
But I suppose bottled and canned fizzy drinks companies do a good job in trapping CO2, if only people wouldn't open them.

 

[Sam48]

This just goes to show how far the media will go to find a reason to fight a nonexistent cause. It's as if someone simply handed them the story and they went along with it without asking a single question regarding the accuracy of it. I suppose this shows how desperate they really are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/19/global-warming-alien-invasion_n_931608.html

 

[sumbrownkid]

^You have to take the American media with a very small grain of salt these days.

 

[FoolKiller]

^You have to take the American media with a very small grain of salt these days.

Except it was originally reported by a British newspaper.

 

[Sam48]

Except it was originally reported by a British newspaper.

I believe all media in general should be taken with a grain of salt, but yes, it wasn't an American media outlet. However, the story was reiterated by others, some of whom were American.

 

[Dotini]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100102296/sun-causes-climate-change-shock/

Sun Causes Climate Change Shock

By James Delingpole

 

[Sam48]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100102296/sun-causes-climate-change-shock/

Sun Causes Climate Change Shock

By James Delingpole

No Way

We must silence this ridiculously obvious source of energy from ever changing our climate. In response, we must build umbrella fields and develop solar reflectors. Oh, and lets tax anyone who absorbs to much sun heat as they will cause climate change. Also, anyone who doubts our measures will be silenced and compared to holocaust deniers because we're scientists, and we're ALWAYS 100% right.

Sounds familiar eh?