GM VS Ford

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Which car company do you prefer?

  • Ford

    Votes: 23 50.0%

  • GM

    Votes: 23 50.0%
  • Total voters
    46
A Camaro is one of those love hate type of cars, I like them to a point but I don't think I ever want one. They go like the dickens though.
 
I'll repeat this for the masses:
Anymore quality, as a deciding factor, is pretty much moot in American cars. You'll see fairly similar levels of quality among GM, Ford, and Mopar.
IT becomes a matter of preference.
I prefer Fords, then Chevies, and if the options is riding or walking, Mopars.
Why is that?
I had a Plymouth Voyager that I bought new in '92, and it was a POS from about '95 on. I won't bore you with the details. However, it had enough problems that I never want another vehicle from that entire line of cars.
I love the looks of the Magnum Wagons, the 300's, the New Charger, and even the PT/GT Cruiser. But I don't have enough forgiveness in my heart to let another one come here to live. My in-laws have a Mopar Mini-van, and they love the thing. However, when they come here from Colorado, they usually drive their Toyota.:lol:

I drive whatever comes my way inexpensively, and isn't a Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge.
It sure as hell beats walking.
 
Wow, I missed a lot today:

1) Jaguars are awesome, and they have greatlly improved over the years. I would definately call the new XK a "poor-man's Aston" with the new shape, and I have to admit the new blue/silver color makes the car have a rather striking stance. It's a pitty however that Jaguar still has not completely done away with the J-Gate shifter, and doesn't offer my favorite Jag in the US: The XJ6...

2) Aston Martin is currently building the world's sexiest cars, hands down, no questions there. I can't think of the last time the generalized looks of an entire company have stirred the same feelings within me... They are just, well, perfect... Not too radical, not too restrained, and yet completely British in their look and personality. If I won the lottery, you can bet I would be on the next plane to London to go order myself a new DB9...

3) The Cadillac XLR (and XLR-V) really are the only true American GT cars on sale today... Why? The concept really isn't an American thing. Sure, we build 2+2 coupes, but those are called Muscle Cars, so our specialty is building cheaper two-seat coupes. I'd say the XLR is more than a reasonable choise against the SL500, and even the XLR-V to the SL55, but unfortunately for the two of them, they have to compete with the likes of the Jaguar XK8 and Aston Martin DB9 Vollante... I ask that you give the XLR SOME credit for being the first truely compeditive GT (or whatever you want to call it) against the Germans and the British. Its kina like throwing the Mustang in against the Messerschmitt and the Spitfire... It may not be well liked, but it has proven itself...

4) Whats up with the Camaro and Corvette bashing? Again, these are two American icons who have established reputations as great automobiles in the US, and in a few other parts of the world. The Z06 is undoubtedly one of the best supercars you can buy, albeit for $70,000. As for the Camaro, well, sometimes I think you have to be an American to like the car... IMO, it was always better than the Mustang, and always will be better than the Mustang... But growing up in a Chevrolet family does that to you, but I will still give credit where credit is due, and we all owe a lot to the Mustang, no questions there.
 
YSSMAN
Wow, I missed a lot today:

1) Jaguars are awesome, and they have greatlly improved over the years. I would definately call the new XK a "poor-man's Aston" with the new shape, and I have to admit the new blue/silver color makes the car have a rather striking stance. It's a pitty however that Jaguar still has not completely done away with the J-Gate shifter, and doesn't offer my favorite Jag in the US: The XJ6...
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The new XK is actually faster than the V8 Vantage for less money. I just can't fathom how someone can discredit Jaguar's obvious quality build + fit & finish.

2) Aston Martin is currently building the world's sexiest cars, hands down, no questions there. I can't think of the last time the generalized looks of an entire company have stirred the same feelings within me... They are just, well, perfect... Not too radical, not too restrained, and yet completely British in their look and personality. If I won the lottery, you can bet I would be on the next plane to London to go order myself a new DB9...
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I'm sure there is a local Aston dealer--if not come down here to Big D and buy one from here. :sly:

3) The Cadillac XLR (and XLR-V) really are the only true American GT cars on sale today... Why? The concept really isn't an American thing. Sure, we build 2+2 coupes, but those are called Muscle Cars, so our specialty is building cheaper two-seat coupes. I'd say the XLR is more than a reasonable choise against the SL500, and even the XLR-V to the SL55, but unfortunately for the two of them, they have to compete with the likes of the Jaguar XK8 and Aston Martin DB9 Vollante... I ask that you give the XLR SOME credit for being the first truely compeditive GT (or whatever you want to call it) against the Germans and the British. Its kina like throwing the Mustang in against the Messerschmitt and the Spitfire... It may not be well liked, but it has proven itself...
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The XLR can't really compete with it's rivals in it's class because it's already known and established even in North America that Mercedes, Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, and Audi just have more luxurious cars--and in Merc's case faster. The SL500/SL600 for less money (the XLR-V is $100,000 USD MSRP)--and frankly I've sat in an XLR...it's not really that good when you compare it to a Merc. The only Caddy that I like is the CTS-V...the others seem overpriced and not as nice as competing Lexus or Infiniti models. The Lexus GS and Infinity M models are just nicer cars in my opinion.

4) Whats up with the Camaro and Corvette bashing? Again, these are two American icons who have established reputations as great automobiles in the US, and in a few other parts of the world. The Z06 is undoubtedly one of the best supercars you can buy, albeit for $70,000. As for the Camaro, well, sometimes I think you have to be an American to like the car... IMO, it was always better than the Mustang, and always will be better than the Mustang... But growing up in a Chevrolet family does that to you, but I will still give credit where credit is due, and we all owe a lot to the Mustang, no questions there.
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Most Camaro and Corvette bashing comes from Europeans--if the Corvette was cheaper in the Europe more people would buy it. The Mustang was always inferior to the Camaro in most ways but the styling was just as good most of the time. To me the Trans Am looked better more of the time vs the Camaro. But the new Camaro and the new Mustang is going to really get the pony wars back on track don't you think? You Americans can be proud of the new Camaro and the ZO6 no matter what Europeans say.
 
That's just like saying most European car bashing comes from the US, everyone is biased in some way, to a certain extent. Personally, there are some Camaro's I like and some I don't, I think the new one look's fantastic, the last generation din't look great to me, I don't know most of the one';s before that, but the classic 60's Camaro's are cool. With the Corvette's, again there are some that tick and some that don't, the big killer for these car's though is that they're lhd only. Most people don't bash car's from one region or another in their day to day lives, most of the bashing comes from kid's who arn't even old enough to drive, and happen to be in contact with people from different region's (ie on the internet), acting like they know thier stuff and sounding completely stupid in the process.
 
Well said L4S... I'm sick of the little kiddies like Master_Yoda and Pink_The_Floyd going ADD over everything, just looking to make trouble. Sure, they start some good flame wars, but they lose every time... Why bother?
 
that JDpower is bull poop.
when my friend bought a new car, teh dealer promised him a free tank of gas if he gave them the survey to fill out. im sure hes not the only one who went back for his first service and a free tank of gas.

H2 hummers were constantly given bad ratings by thier new owners for having bad fuel economy. you buy a 6000lb box and complain about its fuel economy?:crazy: WTF?

mercedes "quality woes" are not mechanical. but electrical. too many electronic gadgets in the cars have been failing. something mercedes conceeded a while ago by promising to simplify its electrical accoutrements.

that whole survey nonsense is to be taken with a big dose of salt.
 
As is anyone's opinion, since every opinion is to a degree, biased, you cannot take anyone's opinion as 100%. Tbh though your the first person that I've spoken to that's mentioned that happening, I'm sure it might have happend for some JD Power survey's, but we'd be talking one or two dealers scattered about, it wouldn't be something that would have a big impact ont he overall results. As for the TopGear survey, that's conducted each year as a seperate survey to any that you may be thinking of, and dealers do not have control over the survey's being taken, they're done through independant sources.
 
i think you underestimate the apathy towards those polls and surveys that we have here in the states.

i just called work and spoke to my coworkers. one bought a new car another a new bike. (its a saturday. better luck during the week.)

both were enticed to return the poll form, unfilled, to the dealer for a free oil change/ tank of gas etc.
 
I said the TopGear one isn't done through dealer's, but that it could have hapened in other's. I don't know anyone that has happened to, so it might be a problem in the US I don't know how it worls over there I assumed it was the same as here, but it's not a problem her, the funny thing is though, regardless of that happening, the results of both survey's go hand in hand in many area's, including the point I wanted to make about Jaguar's being great quality car's, so I would assume that regardless of some dealerships trying to manipulate the results (which surely is illegal in the first place) the point's made on Jaguar are pretty valid..
 
And so now Ford is in the lead. I was expecting a GM whitewash to be honest. I think we just need a Ford nut to come onto this forum as were missing one of those.
 
...I expected it to be a close one, so seeing Ford come out on top doesn't surprise me. They have a lot of high-quality products (most of which aren't sold in the US), and they have a lot of crappy cars (most of which are sold in the US). If anything, all you would need to mention would be the Mustang, and thats about it. It is still the essence of all things American when it comes to cars, and even as a GM/VAG guy, I can't dispute that.

I would be willing to bet however that once the Zeta platform goes into use, the Kappa lineup is complete, and the Opel/Saturn merger is complete, GM may eventually pull ahead.

Also, I think the inclusion of DCX would have been interesting as well, but it probably would have been a race between Ford and GM anyhow.
 
Ram-Rod
Ford. Ford. Ford. Did I mention Ford? Don't ask for an explanation, please, you'll get an essay.
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/me asks for an explanation please

Seriously, we'd all like to hear it as long as it's not a bashing fest. 👍 :sly:
 
What Ford needs to do is sell some of its overshores' models here.

Cause let's face it, the F-150 and the Mustang are Ford's strongest point, and practically the biggest reason they're still around.

I guarantee you if Ford lost the F-150, Ford would be screwed, Mustang left or not. And then there's those reports of SVT going away.

Of course, the same said can be said about Chevrolet's Silverado, but then again, GM would still have whole 'nother set of manufacturers to sell cars.
 
neanderthal
that JDpower is bull poop....

...H2 hummers were constantly given bad ratings by thier new owners for having bad fuel economy. you buy a 6000lb box and complain about its fuel economy?:crazy: WTF?

mercedes "quality woes" are not mechanical. but electrical. too many electronic gadgets in the cars have been failing. something mercedes conceeded a while ago by promising to simplify its electrical accoutrements.

that whole survey nonsense is to be taken with a big dose of salt.
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Yup, this is exactly why I don't trust those surveys.
 
I dont have much faith in a survey neither. I find they exaggerate results.

For example if you have a merc and one of the interior lights start flickering you will be majorly pissed and enter the JD poll. However if that was say a vauxhall astra the owner wouldnt really care too much and hence not bother entering the poll.
 
*McLaren*
What Ford needs to do is sell some of its overshores' models here.

Cause let's face it, the F-150 and the Mustang are Ford's strongest point, and practically the biggest reason they're still around.

I guarantee you if Ford lost the F-150, Ford would be screwed, Mustang left or not. And then there's those reports of SVT going away.

Of course, the same said can be said about Chevrolet's Silverado, but then again, GM would still have whole 'nother set of manufacturers to sell cars.
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Car and Driver's tests of the Aussie Falcon (and other Falcon-based products) were quite positive, and they are still bothered by the fact that we don't have the second-gen Focus here. They also mentioned the C-Maxx which may be comming to the US to replace the old minivan that Ford canceled last year.

...Ford managed to bite back, and states several times that they have new products in the works that will be here soon. Presumeably those are going to be RWD-based (hopefully), not another Mazda6 spin-off.

My want list:
1) C1-based Focus (thats the 2nd-gen)
2) 6th or 7th-gen Fiesta (whichever comes first by the time it happens)
3) AU-Spec Ford Falcon, preferably the XT6 and GT models
 
YSSMAN
My want list:

3) AU-Spec Ford Falcon, preferably the XT6 and GT models
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XR6 is a normal Ford production model (including XR6 Turbo) while GT is a FPV were they hand build the engines, opening up the FPV's to the US would put a big strain on the engine builders. I just can't see any Aussie Falcons being exported to the US, don't know why but I just doubt it would happen.

BTW its XR6 :)
 
Ya know, I knew it was an XR6, but for some reason the XT6 sounded right... I don't know why.

I suppose the regular-grade XR8 Falcon would have to do for most Americans, but I could see the car being equipped with the Mustang's 4.6L 24V V8 instead of the Falcon's current 5.4L. It's cheaper, might be more fuel-efficent, and although it is down on nearly 50HP (48 to be exact), she still performs well.

...Speaking of engines, there has been a long-standing rumor that the FPV BOSS 290 V8 would show up in the 2008 Mustang to help shake off the possibility of a 400HP Camaro for the same year. Good, I'd love to see that happen... I'm positive however that not all of the engines would be built in Australia, some of the production would probably be shifted to the US or Canada to handle the higher demand.
 

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