Gotta love arizona

[skylineGTR_guy]

Its amazing how stupid lawmakers can be, If I street race and no one gets hurt I lose my license, If I run a red light and kill somone, I can still drive

 

[McLaren]

What's the charge for killing someone with a motor vehicle in your state?

 

[Cap'n Jack]

What if you street race and kill somebody, does the "causing Death" penalty over rule?

 

[Kylehnat]

What's the difference between "DUI" and "Extreme DUI", and why are they valued equally?

 

[Omnis]

One is for drinking too much alcohol, the other is for drinking too much Mountain Dew.

 

[McLaren]

What's a gore area?

And isn't racing on highways like reckless driving, with speeding?

 

[guska]

I am guessing that you only get 8 points in arizona, so any DUI will cause you to lose your licence.

Sure you lose less points if you kill someone, but I can guarantee you that the judge will take your driving priveleges (sp) off of you quicker that you can say "but he came out of nowhere"

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

What's the charge for killing someone with a motor vehicle in your state?

class 3 felony I believe not quite sure.

What if you street race and kill somebody, does the "causing Death" penalty over rule?

nope

What's the difference between "DUI" and "Extreme DUI", and why are they valued equally?

because the state is stupid...

What's a gore area?

the area inside the white triangle formed when you merge, most commonly found when merging on a highway

And isn't racing on highways like reckless driving, with speeding?

Technically yes, but lawmakers have been wathching too much TV so they had to add to it

here are the important parts:

28-708. Racing on highways; classification; exception; definitions

A. A person shall not drive a vehicle or participate in any manner in a race, speed competition or contest, drag race or acceleration contest, test of physical endurance or exhibition of speed or acceleration or for the purpose of making a speed record on a street or highway.

B. A person who violates this section is guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor. If a person is convicted of a second or subsequent violation of this section within twenty-four months of a first conviction, the person is guilty of a class 6 felony and is not eligible for probation, pardon, suspension of sentence or release on any other basis until the person has served not less than ten days in jail or prison.

C. A person who is convicted of a first violation of this section shall pay a fine of not less than two hundred fifty dollars and may be ordered by the court to perform community restitution.

D. A person who is convicted of a subsequent violation of this section shall pay a fine of not less than five hundred dollars and may be ordered by the court to perform community restitution.

For the purposes of this section:

1. "Drag race" means either:

(a) The operation of two or more vehicles from a point side by side at accelerating speeds in a competitive attempt to outdistance each other.

(b) The operation of one or more vehicles over a common selected course and from the same point for the purpose of comparing the relative speeds or power of acceleration of the vehicle or vehicles within a certain distance or time limit.

2. "Racing" means the use of one or more vehicles in an attempt to outgain or outdistance another vehicle or prevent another vehicle from passing

note the "one or more" meaning you can be charged with it even if your just speeding...

 

[McLaren]

Eh, I guess this is more proof that we are full of "surprises" even if Wolf says the Brits are catching up.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

I am guessing that you only get 8 points in arizona, so any DUI will cause you to lose your licence.

Sure you lose less points if you kill someone, but I can guarantee you that the judge will take your driving priveleges (sp) off of you quicker that you can say "but he came out of nowhere"

a story from this weekend:

Charges weighed in fatal accident
Evidence limited in Scottsdale crash that killed 4 in family

Michael Ferraresi
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 20, 2006 12:00 AM

Investigators are considering whether to charge a driver whose SUV exited Loop 101 at more than 60 mph and rammed the rear end of a minivan, causing a Chandler family of four to perish in the fiery crash.

Haluk Kandas could face charges that range from misdemeanor reckless driving to manslaughter or negligent homicide, the Arizona Department of Public Safety said Monday.

Kandas, 29, was not arrested after Friday's accident at the Raintree Drive exit in north Scottsdale.
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The victims, Christopher and Leah Walls and their two young children, Mallory and Miller, died after the impact caused their Mazda MPV minivan to explode. They were on their way to church.

Kandas, of Ahwatukee, passed field sobriety tests.

Police said they do not believe he was under the influence of alcohol or dangerous drugs.

Two Arizona Department of Public Safety officers administered the tests and did not find any "indicators of impairment," DPS spokesman Harold Sanders said.

"The way this collision occurred, you have to have really specific evidence to charge (the suspect), but we don't have that with this guy," Sanders said.

Kandas was able to walk away from Friday's accident, which occurred after he exited the northbound Loop 101 in his 2006 Chrysler Pacifica.

Police estimated his speed at 60 to 70 mph before he smashed into the back of the Walls' minivan, which was stopped at a red light at Raintree Drive.

The Walls were killed within minutes after their vehicle burst into flames.

That model MPV received 4- and 5-star crash test ratings from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

DPS investigators initially considered whether the position of the minivan's fuel tank could have contributed to the fire. However, the fuel tank is located ahead of the rear axle, like many vehicles.

Mazda has not received any serious complaints about the safety or design of its 2000 MPV, company spokesman Jeremy Barnes said.

It could take several days for the DPS Vehicular Crimes Unit to conclude its investigation before any charges are filed or before the Maricopa County Attorney's Office is asked to consider the case.


the sad thing is at this point the guy is still free and not in jail 👎

 

[Kylehnat]

the other is for drinking too much Mountain Dew.

No, that would be "eXtReME!!! DUI"

What's the charge for killing someone with a motor vehicle in your state?

Usually vehicular homicide, unless they can prove that you did it on purpose. In that case, it's obviously murder. I think in Washington, VH has a maximum penalty of 12 years in prison.

And isn't racing on highways like reckless driving, with speeding?

The main difference is that you are enticing someone else to also drive recklessly and speed. So, you're an accessory to their crime, and they yours. It's little things like this that make legislators drool .

 

[McLaren]

Skyline, that is what ticks me off about the US Court System.

Sick, or obviously guilty guys can actually be found not guilty, or need "investigation" to imprison them and then they still walk free.

Either somethings wrong with our laws, or we're just picking stupid people for juries. I for one, can find problems in both (considering some extreme crimes get less years than a much less one).

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

The main difference is that you are enticing someone else to also drive recklessly and speed. So, you're an accessory to their crime, and they yours. It's little things like this that make legislators drool .

In arizona you can be charged with it even if your alone and not racing anyone 👎

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Utah still takes the cake for a crime and penalty not quite matching...

In Utah, "causing a catastrophe" is a class A misdemeanor. That's right, you read it correctly.
Catastrophe. Misdeameanor.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Skyline, that is what ticks me off about the US Court System.

Sick, or obviously guilty guys can actually be found not guilty, and walk free.

Either somethings wrong with our laws, or we're just picking stupid people for juries. I for one, can find problems in both (considering some extreme crimes get less years than a much less one).

I agree, people are stupid.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

Speaking of stupid laws, this one works to my advantage, if you get pulled over for speeding in arizona instead of getting the ticket for speeding just ask for a ticket for "waste of finite resources"

this works in the following cases:

up to:
1. Fifteen miles per hour approaching a school crossing.

2. Twenty-five miles per hour in a business or residential district.

3. Sixty-five miles per hour in other locations.

Waste of Finite Resource violations (violation code § 28-702.01A),carry no points and have a maximum fine under $30. Beats a speeding ticket.

 

[Pupik]

How many points for running over a trophy wife with a small dog?

 

[Wolfe]

How many points for running over a trophy wife with a small dog?

Are you talking about points off of your license, or Carmageddon?

 

[OZZYGT]

I don't like this Arizona....

I like THIS Arizona!!!

Sorry for the off topic stuff



Ciao!

 

[cardude2004]

Speaking of stupid laws, this one works to my advantage, if you get pulled over for speeding in arizona instead of getting the ticket for speeding just ask for a ticket for "waste of finite resources"

this works in the following cases:

up to:
1. Fifteen miles per hour approaching a school crossing.

2. Twenty-five miles per hour in a business or residential district.

3. Sixty-five miles per hour in other locations.

Waste of Finite Resource violations (violation code § 28-702.01A),carry no points and have a maximum fine under $30. Beats a speeding ticket.

How is it supposed to work that you get to choose what the ticket is for?

Here the fool police pull people younger than 25 over 80% of the time for something an older person would not get pulled over, like going half a mile over the speed limit (my speedometer could be off half a mile an hour, that is such a small bit off), when an adult would need to go at least 5 over before they would think about pulling them over. Also, if a kid gets a flat tire, they will give them a ticket for being out after curfew, but don't help them, they just drive away, etc.

 

[guska]

The laws are kinda stupid here downunder as well. They have all the levels of 'badness' prety much sorted out...EXCEEEEPT

If you accelerate too fast for their liking (but still not break the speed limit, you can lose you car under the new Hoon Laws
If your car stereo is too loud, same thing
If your car exhaust is too loud
If you do a burnout, or anything constituting a burnout (spinning the wheels for more than about 3 seconds I think, but don't quote me), same thing
If you turn a corner too quick for their liking, same thing

Basically, unless you drive like old grandma petal down the road, doing 2km/h in a 60km/h zone, your running the risk of getting your car confiscated...

...But then there is the go-slow laws! Get caught doing more than 15 km/h under the speed limit, you get a driving without due care fine, aparently. I say aparently, as I haven't heard of a single one being given out yet for that reason

Oh, then there is the law that says you may use a mobile phone whilst driving, as long as you are using a handsfree.
It also states that earpiece handsfrees are legal.

But then it goes on to say that you are not allowed to touch the phone or any part of the phone's network whilst driving. Now I have voice answering on mine, but that pretty much cuts out most of the current hands free devices available at the moment.

Oh another point with the 'Hoon Laws' is, anyone can report anyone else under these laws, and from my experience, the police don't investigate, they just impound your car, 1 month for a first offence, 6 months for a second offence, permanently for third and subsequent offences.

 

[cardude2004]

Yes, they can fine you and stuff for playing music too loud or having a loud muffler. The highway actually has a posted min. speed limit of 45 mph and a max. speed limit of 65 mph (even though most of us go 75 mph +).

 

[guska]

I can understand fines, but hell, taking a man's (or woman's) wheels?

 

[McLaren]

Wow, now that's retarded.

They'll import your car, no questions asked, because someone reported you? Wow....I guess I'd to make sure I don't "piss" anyone off.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

How is it supposed to work that you get to choose what the ticket is for?

Here the fool police pull people younger than 25 over 80% of the time for something an older person would not get pulled over, like going half a mile over the speed limit (my speedometer could be off half a mile an hour, that is such a small bit off), when an adult would need to go at least 5 over before they would think about pulling them over. Also, if a kid gets a flat tire, they will give them a ticket for being out after curfew, but don't help them, they just drive away, etc.

Is basically a ticked for wasting gas by going to fast it only works up to 65 mph I believe, and its only if the cop is being nice and wants to give you that versus a speeding ticket

 

[SRV2LOW4ME]

Count all yourselves lucky. Here in Ontario, they just passed a law that says if your caught street racing, or "speeding wrecklessly", your plates are pulled from the car and it gets crushed. They don't even need it caught on camera or have it taken through the courts either, its all officer discretion, which most of the time is controlled by what mood their in. 👎

The worst part is they're targeting imports/tuners, even though the last 3 "races" to cause death involved a Jaguar and Impala, 2 Corvettes and the most recent, two rich kids racing in their parents 2 Mercedes.

 

[a6m5]

Count all yourselves lucky. Here in Ontario, they just passed a law that says if your caught street racing, or "speeding wrecklessly", your plates are pulled from the car and it gets crushed. They don't even need it caught on camera or have it taken through the courts either, its all officer discretion, which most of the time is controlled by what mood their in. 👎

The worst part is they're targeting imports/tuners, even though the last 3 "races" to cause death involved a Jaguar and Impala, 2 Corvettes and the most recent, two rich kids racing in their parents 2 Mercedes.

Now, this is scary. I hope we'll never see something like this in Oregon.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Here's an article on the law in Ontario SRV2LOW4ME mentioned. It's interesting, make sure you read it all.
Toronto Star Online
Apparently, not everyone in the MPP even agrees with this new law, and one of the Civic owners had a full year to save his car.
I'm with a6m5 and SRV2LOW4ME, it's a ridiculous law, and I hope know one tries to pull that crap in here in the US.

 

[McLaren]

I'd support if it didn't depend on the officer, and you actually had to have been found guilty of doing so....

 

[Kylehnat]

"The owner of one of the (destroyed) cars actually had a year's opportunity to put it back to street legal. But he said he didn't want to be slowed down," said York Region Police Sgt. Dave Mitchell. "The drivers were using them for their intended purpose — street racing."

Okay, that dip**** deserves to have his car destroyed.

That being said, it's ridiculous that the government can take your car and smash it, simply by abusing a vague law that targets drug runners. Destroy marijuana if you must (if by fire, please invite me to that bonfire ), but flattening someone's car for moving violations is just plain stupid. But it is Canada, after all...