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Maybe the extra delay has been because they're adding one of the much-requested city circuits? 🤔

Delay?
 
We don't know what to expect in the upcoming weeks and months. We had Christmas and new years holidays, there aren’t any big updates in these times.
Furthermore I don’t really think that the ps4 version has any real impact on the release of new content. Sophy, 4P Splitscreen are already ps5 only features. Car models probably have a slight lower polygon count but that’s nothing major for the development of the game.

I think all the cars they have added looks very detailed but i am on ps5
 
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I think all the cars they have added looks very detailed but i am on ps5
That’s what I meant referring to the ps4 because the user said the ps4 version would cause any kind of delay.

Don’t really understand why the word „delay“ is going around so heavily.
We had months before without an update. There is no guarantee for monthly updates - as also said by Kaz.

And again: Let these guys also rest a tiny bit. We had Christmas time and saw a pretty substantial update in early November.
To not get an update in the end of December should be pretty clear.
 
We pretty much already know that the update was to come next thursday 25th, i am pretty sure we get silhouttes tomorrow or sunday 5-7 cars including gensesis vgt, i think its fair to expect that with almost a 3 months gap

It eas 3 months because they focused on the world finals after a big update and then the holiday season, I think 4 is more realistic (5 if they do a racing version of the genesis vgt)
 
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Maybe the extra delay has been because they're adding one of the much-requested city circuits? 🤔
I really don’t see why they should add a city circuit while there are so many real life circuits not present yet
 
Don't forget they did this in November, only for the unannounced race to be a Gr.3 at Daytona affair.
But there was an update with a lot of new content then. I'm guessing that what happened there was either, something got cut from the Spec 2 update, or it was supposed to be Lake Louise and there was an issue (wall riding?)
 
But there was an update with a lot of new content then. I'm guessing that what happened there was either, something got cut from the Spec 2 update, or it was supposed to be Lake Louise and there was an issue (wall riding?)
I'm pretty sure it was always meant to be Daytona - that race had a custom BoP for the oval, and I doubt they'd go to all that trouble to re-balance 40+ cars if it was just a last minute replacement race.
 
I suppose maybe real life circuits have licensing to deal with.
I think the licensing fee is not a problem for Sony-PD. Even an independent studio Reiza obtains the licensing of important and famous circuits. Reiza CEO said that the highest amount they charged for licensing was 30,000 dollars.

As mentioned above, PD's production pace is different because of its perfectionism. Note that the PD art direction always likes to make panoramic views of the circuits, requiring the developer to be concerned with environmental details that go beyond the track itself.
 
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I don't have a problem with any of these things. The progression is fine, the AI is fine and the penalty system has worked perfectly for me. Also, people ignore the reasoning for the car leveling system which was to gradually "build" up your car in the "Builder's Cup". But oh no, they want to upgrade their car instantly.
As someone who was much more into Forza for a good while up until the last 4 years or so, even though I was still liking GT, these are all things that are bothering me right now.

The Progression is not fine if we talk about Car XP, absolutely no need for that as I already got a sense of ownership on my own when building and tuning cars meticulously for hours on end. Being forced to drive a car that may or may not be crappy in the end is not something that helps me attain a sense of ownership, because if it ends up sucking after unlocking the parts I needed/wanted, then it was all for naught and actually detracts from that sense of ownership. I also had no problem gradually building my car to different classes and specs as I wanted it to move up and progress before this system.

The AI is seemingly worse off than previous iterations and much more aggressive, especially when simply driving besides them. They also dive bomb like a bat out of hell way more often than not, both things that didn't used to happen to something even close to this degree. They're also now seemingly slowing down dramatically after you pass them, you can notice it most on the leaders of the track. It's unfortunately becoming another chase the rabbit situation which is what I hated, and still do, about Gran Turismo.

What you noted are probably the biggest, and probably only, things that I have an issue with this game as it drives exceptionally well, which makes it all but unfortunate for me.
I know that the "new" tracks are from Forza 7 but I didn't play that so I'm not too bothered. Fact is, a game that gets a regular stream of content is better than one which does not and that's why I've ditched GT7.
Doesn't GT get monthly updates with content? I'm confused about this

So for you it would be better if Kaz release GT7 with 20 tracks and then add rest of the 17 tracks every month?
You mean like GT already does with cars? There is no right or wrong here.

How could you talk about a „regular stream of content“ when it just released in October?
And an important point is also that content isn’t all for free, cars that are free this month are the ones that were already in FM7, the other really new ones you have to pay for in the car pass. And it could be that these free cars also aren’t even totally new „build from the ground up“ car models, as some cars already have been spotted to be old inaccurate ones from previous titles.
Paid content isn't that big an issue, but free content is definitely a nice gesture. The way I see it is GT had a significantly smaller list at launch and the free updates would generate great PR for them, I don't see this as a continuing trend when the next iteration comes out if they have a sizeable amount of content from the start. They aren't against paid content as we've so graciously seen when their games release with a good chunk of it already.

As for the pre-release talks from games devs, no one should be full on trusting any side of this for any game, ever. PD isn't innocent in this regard.
 
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Paid content isn't that big an issue, but free content is definitely a nice gesture. The way I see it is GT had a significantly smaller list at launch and the free updates would generate great PR for them, I don't see this as a continuing trend when the next iteration comes out if they have a sizeable amount of content from the start. They aren't against paid content as we've so graciously seen when their games release with a good chunk of it already.

As for the pre-release talks from games devs, no one should be full on trusting any side of this for any game, ever. PD isn't innocent in this regard.


Man what is this here? 2 years in and all extra content was for free in GT7, and before this all GT Sport extra content in 4 years was for free (except the Hamilton DLC), so the way you see it is not that coming from a logical point of view. Not that all future content coming will 100% sure be free, but you just talking in a unnecessary cynical way and obviously try to make it seem as there’s actually no difference between PD and Turn 10 in their actions. Which, I’m sorry, is ********.
Arguing that the car list in FM is „significantly“ bigger (I wouldn't say that) when we already talked about the quality differences of both games in this regard, is just senseless. Sure it’s a case of different tastes or how important this is to you or me for example, but the car number is a result of how much work the developers put in to modeling, and I for myself am absolutely fine with having less cars but much better models (which are also future proof as they are really built from the ground up).
So a number is a number, but I wouldn’t say that it is actually more content, you can’t just measure here in quantity.
And yeah, PD ****ed it up with GT7 in a lot of ways, but they ****ed it up and at least give content for free after this. Turn 10 ****ed it up too (even more as PD imo), but they still charge their players for content, even when it’s clear that they lied regarding car models being build from the ground up. So in this regard I do see paid content as a problem, as who can be really sure about the quality of the car models you even pay for when this already happened? That’s not cool imo.
 
Man what is this here? 2 years in and all extra content was for free in GT7, and before this all GT Sport extra content in 4 years was for free (except the Hamilton DLC), so the way you see it is not that coming from a logical point of view. Not that all future content coming will 100% sure be free, but you just talking in a unnecessary cynical way and obviously try to make it seem as there’s actually no difference between PD and Turn 10 in their actions. Which, I’m sorry, is ********.
It definitely is coming from a logical point of view, you just disagree and that's fine. No idea why your panties are in such a bunch. Literally nothing about my post was cynical, but of course there's always someone here that has to throw up a tirade anytime someone isn't praising PD as some sort of unequivocal god. Thought the forum was weeded out of people like this at this point, but I guess not.

Arguing that the car list in FM is „significantly“ bigger (I wouldn't say that)
Yeah, I also literally didnt say that either, so no idea what you're arguing here. Take off the rage goggles and respond to what I am saying.

And yeah, PD ****ed it up with GT7 in a lot of ways, but they ****ed it up and at least give content for free after this.
I never said anything about GT7, I said that they both say things that just aren't true. Pretty simple concept to grasp.

but they ****ed it up and at least give content for free after this.
On the other side of this, GT also has microtransactions and Forza doesn't. That's a big hint as to why one game might charge for their content and one might not.

even when it’s clear that they lied regarding car models being build from the ground up
Already addressed this in my original post but you're to busy throwing a fit that you probably overlooked it.
 
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Doesn't GT get monthly updates with content? I'm confused about this
Almost every month, it does in the form of cars. However, he's basically moaning that GT doesn't regularly get new tracks so by his oddly peckish standards, Forza is giving him more regular content (even if its literally witheld from the previous game)
 
And here I am just wanting a few wheels added to the game. :sly:
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this is the part that makes clown make up sales increase
Watching FH5 launch with several hundred less cars than its predecessor, only to add most of them as exclusive rewards is definitely a 🤡 experience. I'm still waiting for the '59 Cadillac...

To be fair, on the GT side of the fence, did we not just wait from October 2017 to November 2023 across two games for the LFA to be brought back with only the engine sounds changed?
 
So for you it would be better if Kaz release GT7 with 20 tracks and then add rest of the 17 tracks every month?
Yes it would be better.
Because that's literally what previous games from both respective franchises allowed you to do (Hell, even GT7 STILL allows you to do it as long as you have the credits). At no point has anyone asked for a system that takes so painfully long to get to a point just to where someone could finally change an Exhaust (and funny enough, people has already found an exploit just to basically make the grind far more bearable). Having watched gameplay, its easily the most tedious bit of grinding I've seen and I say this as someone who has experienced some serious grind fests. Maybe you don't seem as bothered but as countless gameplay videos and screenshots appear to show, that's not the case for so many.

As for "ignoring the reasoning", many have said that on paper it sounded good but its the execution that has rubbed so many the wrong way (a familiar tone that is echoed with GT7 in General). Its not the idea that's the problem, its the end result repeatedly shown that is the issue.
OK I understand that it's tedious but it can't be worse than grinding for hours to get an expensive car in Gran Turismo can it? At least you can access all the cars in Forza so if you aren't happy with one car, you can easily move to another.
How could you talk about a „regular stream of content“ when it just released in October?
And an important point is also that content isn’t all for free, cars that are free this month are the ones that were already in FM7, the other really new ones you have to pay for in the car pass. And it could be that these free cars also aren’t even totally new „build from the ground up“ car models, as some cars already have been spotted to be old inaccurate ones from previous titles.
Of course I can talk about a regular stream of content. Enough time has passed since the game's release.
Doesn't GT get monthly updates with content? I'm confused about this
Yes it does but it's released all at once and I don't like that. I'd rather get a new car each week than a heap on one day.
 
even when it’s clear that they lied regarding car models being build from the ground up.
This is actually a lie, because they never, at any point, claimed the car models were built from the ground up. That stupid phrase came out every time they were talking about the physics of the game. The one thing I see FM regularly praised for. Usually followed by "I wish I could experience it more, but there's too many issues".
 
OK I understand that it's tedious but it can't be worse than grinding for hours to get an expensive car in Gran Turismo can it?

Let me give you an example of how tedious this is: Let's take the Mazda MX-5 for instance (a relatively cheap car to get throughout both franchises). In the time it takes to level your car up to a point that allows you to upgrade one part in Forza, you can already upgrade multiple parts on that car in GT7 depending on the amount of credits you have right after buying it without even resorting to grinding. Not something applicable to all cars but the fact that this is even a possible scenario with one of the more historically cheaper cars of both series is abit of a mess.

This video really explains it the best.
 
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Yes it would be better.

OK I understand that it's tedious but it can't be worse than grinding for hours to get an expensive car in Gran Turismo can it? At least you can access all the cars in Forza so if you aren't happy with one car, you can easily move to another.

Of course I can talk about a regular stream of content. Enough time has passed since the game's release.

Yes it does but it's released all at once and I don't like that. I'd rather get a new car each week than a heap on one day.
Here's a thought. Put down the keyboard/laptop/tablet/mobile phone and go play FM then. You said yourself that you gave up GT7, so why are you still taking a dump in a GT7 discussion thread?
 
You mean like GT already does with cars? There is no right or wrong here.

All GT Sport content is in GT7 with one exception being Fitipaldi but it has other reasons not to be in GT anymore.

I guess you meant GT5 and GT6 cars but PD doesn’t simply port those cars but remade them from scratch this is something differt than simply porting cars from FM3 to the newest game.

So to be honest this isn’t the same situation as Forza

Yes it would be better.

So you are literally saying that releasing unfinished game with cut out content is better than full of content game…

You could play all those missing 15 tracks from the start instead of waiting for update every month you know?
 
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