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If the concept cars are Nissan GTR50 by Italdesign, Aston Martin Valhalla, Porsche Mission R, Mission X, Toyota Ft-se, Mazda Iconic SP, etc I'm all for it. I'll even take the old concept cars like Dodge Concept Car, Cadillac CIEN, Ford GT90 happily
What's the difference between those concept cars and these concept cars?
 
What's the difference between those concept cars and these concept cars?
Is it there's 2 o`s in those concept cars & only 1 in these concept cars ?
 
It's worth mentioning that the Genesis X is already a non-VGT concept car, and their VGT (like a few others like the Toyota) is a variation of that existing concept car. Would it be more acceptable if it was exactly the same, just with "VGT" not in the name?
 
It's worth mentioning that the Genesis X is already a non-VGT concept car, and their VGT (like a few others like the Toyota) is a variation of that existing concept car.
Ooooh, no. It bears a similar name, but "X" is just Genesis shorthand for "concept".

There's the Genesis X of course, as you mention:


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And its GT7 racing variant:

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That later evolved into the Genesis X Speedium Concept, a coupe based on the original X:

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And the Genesis X Convertible Concept, a four-seat convertible version:


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The three combined form a "trilogy" (Genesis's words) of concepts, and the Vision GT car isn't directly related to them. In fact the Speedium and Convertible are - probably, and by their own description - conceived of as EVs.


However the remainder of your point is valid. It's weird that people like concept cars unless they have certain letters in the name, whereupon they suddenly don't count.
 
Ooooh, no. It bears a similar name, but "X" is just Genesis shorthand for "concept".

There's the Genesis X of course, as you mention:


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And its GT7 racing variant:

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That later evolved into the Genesis X Speedium Concept, a coupe based on the original X:

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And the Genesis X Convertible Concept, a four-seat convertible version:


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The three combined form a "trilogy" (Genesis's words) of concepts, and the Vision GT car isn't directly related to them. In fact the Speedium and Convertible are - probably, and by their own description - conceived of as EVs.


However the remainder of your point is valid. It's weird that people like concept cars unless they have certain letters in the name, whereupon they suddenly don't count.
Ah, fair enough, that's interesting, thanks. I just saw the name and the front end and assumed it was related, but that's Genesis-wide design language I suppose.
 
However the remainder of your point is valid. It's weird that people like concept cars unless they have certain letters in the name, whereupon they suddenly don't count.
I personally Like the VGT and it fits to Gran Turismo, as GT Always also has been about Concept Cars.

But I do understand that there are people that differentiate between "normal" Concepts and VGT as oftentimes the Specs of VGT feel exaggerated and they Sometimes Look and feel Like spaceships, while in previous GTs we often had realistic Concepts that had a more roadgoing Feeling to it. Like the Audi Nuvolari/Pikes Peak/Lemans Quattro, Nissan GTR Concepts, Honda Dualnote or the Toyota FT86 Concept.

But in the end for me it's still interesting with what Concepts the Manufacturers come up with.
 
But I do understand that there are people that differentiate between "normal" Concepts and VGT as oftentimes the Specs of VGT feel exaggerated and they Sometimes Look and feel Like spaceships
This is essentially a call to judge each car on its merits and... I agree.

Too many people regard all VGTs as if they're the Chaparral or Tomahawk, when really only the Chaparral and Tomahawk are the Chaparral/Tomahawk cars. And yeah, I hate those cars too.

Often the same people who crap on something like the Jaguar VGT (okay, VGTs, which is an issue) would crawl naked over molten glass for a Rimac Nevera, Lotus Evija, or Pininfarina Battista and the only practical difference there is that the fake car you're not driving is a real car in the real world; they're AWD, four-figure horsepower EVs, which these people will will drive once, crash, and say handles like crap because they arrive at a corner three times faster than normal in two tonnes of battery pack.


Some VGTs are just concept cars called VGT. The FT-1 as previously noted is one; the BMW, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and two of the three Peugeots also being particularly heinous examples of "oh crap, we need something for this game thing". Others seem pretty phoned in, like the other Peugeot (a 1:8 scale model only), the Infiniti (also a 1:8 scale model only; hey, who only just remembered it existed because I mentioned it just then?), and the Copen. Some are fully functional cars (more so than the much-loved GT90), some are rolling models (like most motor show concepts), and some are just static models (like most other motor show concepts).

Really, a VGT is indistinguishable from any other concept car - it might work, it might work a bit, it might not work, and sometimes they can't even be bothered to make a full-size one. And some literally are any other concept car with a VGT branding (in the literature, but not on the car).


If someone's glueing their underwear to themselves over the Ford GT90 but dismissing the Aston Martin DP-100, I do have to wonder exactly what it is they actually want.
 
Ooooh, no. It bears a similar name, but "X" is just Genesis shorthand for "concept".
Going by this, the names would spell out Genesis Concept, Genesis Concept Speedium Concept and
Genesis Concept Convertible Concept.
 
This is essentially a call to judge each car on its merits and... I agree.

Too many people regard all VGTs as if they're the Chaparral or Tomahawk, when really only the Chaparral and Tomahawk are the Chaparral/Tomahawk cars. And yeah, I hate those cars too.

Often the same people who crap on something like the Jaguar VGT (okay, VGTs, which is an issue) would crawl naked over molten glass for a Rimac Nevera, Lotus Evija, or Pininfarina Battista and the only practical difference there is that the fake car you're not driving is a real car in the real world; they're AWD, four-figure horsepower EVs, which these people will will drive once, crash, and say handles like crap because they arrive at a corner three times faster than normal in two tonnes of battery pack.


Some VGTs are just concept cars called VGT. The FT-1 as previously noted is one; the BMW, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and two of the three Peugeots also being particularly heinous examples of "oh crap, we need something for this game thing". Others seem pretty phoned in, like the other Peugeot (a 1:8 scale model only), the Infiniti (also a 1:8 scale model only; hey, who only just remembered it existed because I mentioned it just then?), and the Copen. Some are fully functional cars (more so than the much-loved GT90), some are rolling models (like most motor show concepts), and some are just static models (like most other motor show concepts).

Really, a VGT is indistinguishable from any other concept car - it might work, it might work a bit, it might not work, and sometimes they can't even be bothered to make a full-size one. And some literally are any other concept car with a VGT branding (in the literature, but not on the car).


If someone's glueing their underwear to themselves over the Ford GT90 but dismissing the Aston Martin DP-100, I do have to wonder exactly what it is they actually want.
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You will never please everybody - if you add anything Nissan thats close to Silvia or GTR , you will get "ah another Nissan"
people forget that people disliked those old concept cars too just nowdays some of them got cult status

Sport player wants new latest race cars , meanwhile casual single player guy wants latest road cars - never ending dilema :dopey:
True. And guys like me want classic race cars. Can-Am cars, for example.
 
My biggest gripe with VGTs remains the fact that PD mix them into Gr. 1 & 3 (4 also? I forget) and there is nothing you can do about it.
If they made them their own separate thing I wouldn´t care.
Sure there´s custom races where I could hand pick cars, but that´s A: a hassle and B: I can´t race Sophy in custom races.

So I´m left having to endure racing nonsense Spaceships in Gr. 1 and convertibles (!) in Gr. 3 if I want to race Sophy and that sucks.
 
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My biggest gripe with VGTs remains the fact that PD mix them into Gr. 1 & 3 (4 also? I forget) and there is nothing you can do about it.
If they made them their own separate thing I wouldn´t care.
Sure there´s custom races where I could hand pick cars, but that´s A: a hassle and B: I can´t race Sophy in custom races.

So I´m left having to endure racing nonsense Spaceships in Gr. 1 and convertibles (!) in Gr. 3 if I want to race Sophy and that sucks.
sorry but what's the issue with a speedster race car?
 
sorry but what's the issue with a speedster race car?

In a Speester only race? Nothing.
In a Gr. 3 race? Everything.
 
But GT has always included concept cars! Granted not to the level of the current VGT program. As one of these die hard fans you talk of, I associate GT with having quirky cars as well (sort of like say, a Suzuki Jimny!)
Not a problem with the VGT (actually I love to use some as the Honda and the BMW when an event permit it) but I would love to see 1 VGT alongisde road or race cars (whcich I would prefer more road cars).

At the end we are here complainig and I am pretty sure on thursday we will see 100 pages of liveries and scapes with the Jimny lol
 
My biggest gripe with VGTs remains the fact that PD mix them into Gr. 1 & 3 (4 also? I forget) and there is nothing you can do about it.
If they made them their own separate thing I wouldn´t care.
Sure there´s custom races where I could hand pick cars, but that´s A: a hassle and B: I can´t race Sophy in custom races.

So I´m left having to endure racing nonsense Spaceships in Gr. 1 and convertibles (!) in Gr. 3 if I want to race Sophy and that sucks.
I feel like the reason they chose to make those VGTs was to allow representation from manufacturers that did not have real-life base models that would be competitive when converted for one of those classes. They also could have been test cars that had specs closest to what they wanted to classes to represent. Just speculation.

The Volkswagen and Suzuki VGTs do feel incredibly goofy in Gr.3, though, but at least they have each other now.

There's a lot of problems with Gr.1 that I think would exist even in the absence of VGTs (Hybrid vs Non-Hybrid, Downforce Levels, Fuel Efficiency, Old vs New Suspensions, etc.). The subclasses already exist with the hashtag system, so PD just needs to enforce it in their event design.
This is essentially a call to judge each car on its merits and... I agree.

Too many people regard all VGTs as if they're the Chaparral or Tomahawk, when really only the Chaparral and Tomahawk are the Chaparral/Tomahawk cars. And yeah, I hate those cars too.
I think everyone should be legally obligated to hate the Tomahawk X. That thing eats babies.

The Chapparal is pretty interesting as a concept, even if it is probably not feasible at all. The rest of the VGTs, especially from Europe and Asia, feel strangely grounded and traditional considering what they are supposed* to do. There are probably real cars that have more extreme specs now.

*as in, be wild and wacky concepts for the game, only
 
You will never please everybody - if you add anything Nissan thats close to Silvia or GTR , you will get "ah another Nissan"
people forget that people disliked those old concept cars too just nowdays some of them got cult status

Sport player wants new latest race cars , meanwhile casual single player guy wants latest road cars - never ending dilema :dopey:
The best post I've seen for a while.
People should realize with a game as broad as Gran Turismo, their section of the community isn't the only one Polyphony caters for.
I think the worst culprits for this are the Sport Mode players, or at least they seem to be the most vocal. I'm a league racer myself so I have a lot of cross-over with the wants of SM players, but I don't think it's "unacceptable" that we don't have e.g. all modern racecars, or think that they should stop adding road cars, VGT's, or any other content not typically within my own bracket of relevance to only focus on what I want.
 
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I kinda agree with the roofless racing cars; I think it's fine for Prototype class; but not in GT categories IMO.
 
Making good points here guys 😉
 
ah yes a Spiker from 15 years ago and a Lotus single make racing, good finds but still nothing like a widebody roofless Golf 7 ... at least the Beetle Gr3 was a realist effort.
 
The LM prototypes have a roll bar/hoop to protect the driver. All that's needed for their light weight. Those roadsters have full cages.

That VW VGT has a chop top bar that doesn't even extend above the driver's head. Purely aesthetic design choices to go along with the edgyness of the rest of the car and those gigantic wheels. A lack of a roof alone isn't why that car is out of place.
 
Good thing it’s a video game that doesn’t need to adhere to real life constraints so we can experience “what if” and push innovative designs from manufacturers
Fun fact: there's no reason that a convertible can't be homologated for GT3. The body requirements start and finish at a two-door.

In fact until a surprisingly recent rule change, the VW might not have been eligible only because the car on which the car on which it was based was based had a five-door model...
 
On the topic of roofless racecars, when it was just the Volkswagen GTI Gr.3 it was a bit weird, but now with the Suzuki for company I think it's alright. Could even be used as a theme for an event only featuring those two cars.
 
ah yes a Spiker from 15 years ago and a Lotus single make racing,
This was in a 24 hour race against Prototypes (of sorts), GTs, Touring cars, a minivan and a Smart for Four..

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Same race as this if my folder numbering is correct, coincidentally...

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And again, in a different year...

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The point is that outside of current GT3 racing, open top cars are not uncommon from grass roots to top level, from the early days of racing right up until now - Gr3 is not GT3, and you can race other convertibles in the game where the drivers head is sticking out of the top including recreations of past real racing cars where the driver formed part of the roll cage.

Also..

I made a quick chart, might help some folks.

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Good thing it’s a video game that doesn’t need to adhere to real life constraints so we can experience “what if” and push innovative designs from manufacturers
I think most GT players prefer “what if” scenarios that actually reflect the world they know. That’s why people started playing GT in the first place.
 
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