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It does make me laugh how many people hate even the fictional VGTs that don't or can't exist.
And then often you'll see them pop up elsewhere clamouring for this to return.
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It does make me laugh how many people hate even the fictional VGTs that don't or can't exist.
And then often you'll see them pop up elsewhere clamouring for this to return. (Nike ONE)
It's called "for the memes"
 
It definitely is coming from a logical point of view, you just disagree and that's fine. No idea why your panties are in such a bunch. Literally nothing about my post was cynical, but of course there's always someone here that has to throw up a tirade anytime someone isn't praising PD as some sort of unequivocal god. Thought the forum was weeded out of people like this at this point, but I guess not.


Yeah, I also literally didnt say that either, so no idea what you're arguing here. Take off the rage goggles and respond to what I am saying.


I never said anything about GT7, I said that they both say things that just aren't true. Pretty simple concept to grasp.


On the other side of this, GT also has microtransactions and Forza doesn't. That's a big hint as to why one game might charge for their content and one might not.


Already addressed this in my original post but you're to busy throwing a fit that you probably overlooked it.
Ahm so there’s a little misunderstanding here, I replied to you, but it build up on the comment of ScottPuss20. I sure also confused both of you, so I read with a different background. So if you felt attacked by me, that is comprehensible and I apologize.
But there’s still no need in my opinion to act like that, talking stuff like „thought the forum was weeded out of people like this at this point“ isn’t cool.
If you read my comment like if I’m in rage, that is not my fault, because that was absolutely not the case.
No I haven’t read your comments that came before the one when you replied to me, we haven’t talked before so that shouldn’t be expected (but in this specific confusing situation that goes on me, it sure is understandable to expect it).
But still you shouldn’t complain about what concept I may or may not grasp, when you don’t even understand the concept that I don’t „praise PD like some sort of unequivocal god“, writing in the same (!) comment that PD *****d it up, twice.
And you can see that in comment history too if you want.
So let’s better put this to a rest, I should be more attentive before I reply and attack somebody (which I again apologize for), and maybe you ain’t that condescending next time and ain’t interpret too much into someone’s comment.
 
This is actually a lie, because they never, at any point, claimed the car models were built from the ground up. That stupid phrase came out every time they were talking about the physics of the game. The one thing I see FM regularly praised for. Usually followed by "I wish I could experience it more, but there's too many issues".
Nah, they more than once said this game is built from the ground up with not going into detail. So no I disagree, you can’t blame the customer for them making attention grabbing marketing, not everyone is reading every article or watches every video they release where they maybe explain what their definition of „built from the ground up“ actually means.
 
Nah, they more than once said this game is built from the ground up with not going into detail. So no I disagree, you can’t blame the customer for them making attention grabbing marketing, not everyone is reading every article or watches every video they release where they maybe explain what their definition of „built from the ground up“ actually means.
I can blame the customer for for thinking it means "there is nothing at all reused from the previous game".

I can also blame the developers for not taking the foolishness of their playerbase into account and coming up with a stupid marketing phrase that would make angry gamers angrier when it turns out "from the ground up" doesn't mean "we threw out all of our past progress".

Where's your line on what would be acceptable to reuse? Xbox 360 models? Xbox One models? FM7 models? FH5 models? Would it be unacceptable if they had used perfectly good FH5 models, because they're not "built from the ground up" for this game? Their line of acceptability is "improved and iterated models from our entire history", which most cars are absolutely good enough, but a few are so inaccurate enough that I would call them unacceptable.

The FM3 models don't look out of place. You need to scrutinize and nitpick to find issues with them. Xbox One era models are perfectly fine. In my opinion, the FM1 models needed to be checked more before reuse. They are mostly fine at this point, with the work that has gone into them since. It is only a few that get talked about over and over.
 
Ahm so there’s a little misunderstanding here, I replied to you, but it build up on the comment of ScottPuss20. I sure also confused both of you, so I read with a different background. So if you felt attacked by me, that is comprehensible and I apologize.
But there’s still no need in my opinion to act like that, talking stuff like „thought the forum was weeded out of people like this at this point“ isn’t cool.
I reacted in kind. If it's not the response you prefer to get then try commenting and creating an actual discussion instead of throwing what can easily be seen as a fit.
If you read my comment like if I’m in rage, that is not my fault, because that was absolutely not the case.
It is entirely your fault and easily able to come off in such a way when you wildly dismiss points with little reason and instead choose to cus like a sailor instead, all the while arguing points that I never even made. Instead of approaching this situation more level headed.
No I haven’t read your comments that came before the one when you replied to me, we haven’t talked before so that shouldn’t be expected
I wasn't talking about the comments that came before that, because there was none.
But still you shouldn’t complain about what concept I may or may not grasp, when you don’t even understand the concept that I don’t „praise PD like some sort of unequivocal god“, writing in the same (!) comment that PD *****d it up, twice.
And you can see that in comment history too if you want.
When I dont understand the concept that you dont? I'm not even sure what that means here.

Even with all that said, I appreciate the apology.

Nah, they more than once said this game is built from the ground up with not going into detail. So no I disagree, you can’t blame the customer for them making attention grabbing marketing, not everyone is reading every article or watches every video they release where they maybe explain what their definition of „built from the ground up“ actually means.
It's just how the industry works, that's why I said prior that no one should be reading too far into this marketing talk. It's the same when GT said there would be no microtransactions in their game, let all the reviewers get a hold of a copy and make their decisions, and then implement microtransactions immediately after release in order to have less negative spotlight. There's other instances as well, but the point remains the same. Neither company here are against using tactics like that.
 
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Further to my post above about VGT performance.

This is pretty much how they relate to each other, with the Super Formula car for comparison (the comparison is of completely stock cars).


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It really is just the Tomahawk X / GTS-R, and the 2X, that really take the ****. Even the Tomahawk S isn't that mental, it was pretty much tied with the Porsche 919 on laptimes.
 
I can blame the customer for for thinking it means "there is nothing at all reused from the previous game".

I can also blame the developers for not taking the foolishness of their playerbase into account and coming up with a stupid marketing phrase that would make angry gamers angrier when it turns out "from the ground up" doesn't mean "we threw out all of our past progress".

Where's your line on what would be acceptable to reuse? Xbox 360 models? Xbox One models? FM7 models? FH5 models? Would it be unacceptable if they had used perfectly good FH5 models, because they're not "built from the ground up" for this game? Their line of acceptability is "improved and iterated models from our entire history", which most cars are absolutely good enough, but a few are so inaccurate enough that I would call them unacceptable.

The FM3 models don't look out of place. You need to scrutinize and nitpick to find issues with them. Xbox One era models are perfectly fine. In my opinion, the FM1 models needed to be checked more before reuse. They are mostly fine at this point, with the work that has gone into them since. It is only a few that get talked about over and over.
The line is „don’t use car models that are obviously out of date (and out of proportions) fir a long time“. We can agree that reusing car models isn’t a inexcusable sacrilege, but using car models that were already outdated in its 7 year old predecessor, especially in a game that gets marketed again and again with the phrase „built from the ground up“, is just bs. If the point is reached where it has to be redone, than it has to be redone, or leave it out of the game till it’s ready. I mean what „progress“ do you mean? These car models ain’t „progress“ anymore, they are the opposite.
You defend bs-tactics here. Lying is lying, I don’t know what’s discuss there.
You seem to view the average customer as someone who is well informed and knows how game development works. That is obviously not the case, and it’s not the customer’s duty to Analyse the marketing talk of these developers. You can critize it, but being naive is not an invitation to be lied upon, so I really don’t understand why you feel the need to point this out instead of this bs attitude of Turn10 and Microsoft..
There’s a area were false promises and so on are acceptable to some degree, even understandable in some way and forgiven.
But there’s also games like No Man’s Sky, Cyberpunk 2077 and FM8 too imo. These were clearly falsely advertised consciously, it hits a different level for me (especially when a multi billion dollar publisher sits behind it), I mean it even looks worse than it’s predecessor in several situations.
You could in some part also put GT7 in this category, but they at least deliver in terms of quality and are really dedicated to bring the driving game genre forward, the game is more future proofed, you can be more optimistic about future generations imo. And i think having to put it on PS4 when this originally wasn’t planned, also did it’s part. But that is another story.
 
I don't really hate nor like the VGTs, but PD should really add more recent or legendary concept cars. Also I don't like how they mix the Gr.1 VGTs to Gr.1 race. VGT Gr.1 should be their in their own race imo. IIRC GT sport had gr.1 vgt race?
 
I don't like how they mix the Gr.1 VGTs to Gr.1 race. VGT Gr.1 should be their in their own race imo. IIRC GT sport had gr.1 vgt race?
I agree the Gr.1 is a mess when they mix all those categories together and they can fix this rather easily too

using sub categories like this: Gr.1- VGT , Gr.1- Group C , Gr.1- LMP and Gr.1- LMH
 
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We can agree that reusing car models isn’t a inexcusable sacrilege, but using car models that were already outdated in its 7 year old predecessor,
The only thing I want to point out is that these cars are so far and few inbetween, but everyone always talks about it like it's the vast majority of the game. I'm not disagreeing that there's dated models, but there needs to be better scope on these things when people talk about them.
You could in some part also put GT7 in this category, but they at least deliver in terms of quality and are really dedicated to bring the driving game genre forward,
Outright visuals are not what drive the genre forward. It falters quite heavily when you consider the single player portion of the game, how it's structured, and how it's economy influences heavy grinding just to afford a single car. One of the very few things I appreciate about Forza 23 is the restructured economy when it comes to vehicle prices. Though that's not enough incentive for me to want to pick the game up.

the game is more future proofed
No game will be future proof as the technology moves too fast. PD themselves have proved that.
 
So it seems there's a chance that the game doesn't give the weekly challenge rewards. Just did all 5, got nothing.
 
So it seems there's a chance that the game doesn't give the weekly challenge rewards. Just did all 5, got nothing.
Is your Playstation/game offline somehow? Maybe try turning off and on again.
 
Is your Playstation/game offline somehow? Maybe try turning off and on again.
Turns out it's a known issue, as mentioned by Famine here and Mikail Hizal on Twitter. One that isn't on the known issues list, and one that PD doesn't know how to fix. So we'll see if it gets fixed on the 25th, I guess.
 
The Bulgari has the potential to be the best VGT to date. I’m not against VGT’s, I’d just like to see more useable cars. Something like a compact sportscar.

I don’t even mind if it’s a full EV. But give me something around 400-500bhp with 4WD. Like a Group B homage.

Bulgari Specs:

The open-air two-seater is within the Gran Turismo 7 game, featuring an inline-four-cylinder engine that revs to just over 9,500rpm mounted in the middle sending power to the rear wheels. It outputs 394bhp and weighs exactly 1,000kg for 619.47 in-game PP.
 
So it seems there's a chance that the game doesn't give the weekly challenge rewards. Just did all 5, got nothing.
I just completed all the events and I didn’t get my rewards either.
 
I did mine today and got them with no issues. Must be a user-by-user thing
 
It's random. This is the first time it's happened to me. It's happened to others multiple times in the past. You just get unlucky and the rewards don't work.
 
Yes, I'm aware.

However the point is people clamouring for certain concept cars (particularly the Ford GT90, which is in our top 30 Suggestions with almost 300 votes) while dumping on Vision GT cars for being Vision GT cars. I'm not sure what the difference between a VGT and a non-VGT concept car is - particularly given how blurry the line is on a lot of them.
Well for one thing the GT90 was made quite a long time ago and has therefore developed a cult following. The sentimental value of the car far outweighs that of any VGT and let me tell you, people will lose their minds if PD put it in. It's not about the performance, it's about the story and the GT90 has a good one that would immediately make it a fantastic addition. VGT's don't connect to us in the same way, hence why they're shunned so often. Admit it, driving the GT90 would feel a lot more special than any VGT. You may not want to agree for the sake of the argument but I know deep down that you'd prefer it.
 
That's quite a claim there.
 
Admit it, driving the GT90 would feel a lot more special than any VGT. You may not want to agree for the sake of the argument but I know deep down that you'd prefer it.
Nice set-up there, so you can pretend I'm lying when I say I wouldn't - but I wouldn't.

The GT90 is vile to look at (inside and out) and was only ever a cobbled-together project that consisted of a Jaguar XJ220 chassis (and gearbox) with an entirely unproven - and abandoned - engine in the back that was never allowed to be run up to full power. The whole thing was thrown together in six months by a team of a dozen people that included such luminaries as the man who designed the 2012 Opel Zafira and 2017 Chery Tiggo Coupe Concept.

Any recreation of how the GT90 drives is pure fiction. Nobody who drove it experienced it turbocharged, as the wastegates were locked open to run naturally aspirated only (at about 400hp tops), and they were both rev- (5,500rpm) and speed-limited (100mph). Drivers were not allowed to take hard turns, as no part of the body, engine, or chassis was up to the task (the original XJ220 chassis was, of course, but with a six-litre V12 quad turbo [made out of two Modular 4.6 V8s] sitting where the 3.5-litre twin-turbo V6 should be, they just didn't know how it would go or how hard it would go wrong).

I don't really know what's good about the story of this munting, Frankenstein's monster of a car that nobody could really drive and which was aborted before it was ever shown to anyone (even Ford's senior management took one look and said no, but still dragged it to some motor shows) but it very much is not a car I'd be particularly interested in pretending to pretend to drive.

I'm not a fan of a lot of VGTs, but on their own merits (and lack thereof). Those I do like include the Mazda LM55 (inspired by the 787B and designed by Ikuo Maeda, the designer behind all Mazda's Kodo stuff and the son of Matasaburo Maeda who created the RX-7; now that's a good story), the Suzuki, the Genesis based on what I've seen so far (which is a lot), the Fittipaldi (which is of course dead; the businesses behind the Fittipaldi name are a rat's nest), and - based on how it drives - the Bulgari. I'm not a fan of the McLaren, but that too has a decent story. I thought I'd like the Honda, but it doesn't drive nicely at all.


If the GT90 was in GT7, it would be in my garage purely for the collection purposes. Would I rather drive the Bulgari Vision GT? Yep - and you can pretend otherwise all you like, but it doesn't make it anywhere close to true.
 
Nice set-up there, so you can pretend I'm lying when I say I wouldn't - but I wouldn't.

The GT90 is vile to look at (inside and out) and was only ever a cobbled-together project that consisted of a Jaguar XJ220 chassis (and gearbox) with an entirely unproven - and abandoned - engine in the back that was never allowed to be run up to full power. The whole thing was thrown together in six months by a team of a dozen people that included such luminaries as the man who designed the 2012 Opel Zafira and 2017 Chery Tiggo Coupe Concept.

Any recreation of how the GT90 drives is pure fiction. Nobody who drove it experienced it turbocharged, as the wastegates were locked open to run naturally aspirated only (at about 400hp tops), and they were both rev- (5,500rpm) and speed-limited (100mph). Drivers were not allowed to take hard turns, as no part of the body, engine, or chassis was up to the task (the original XJ220 chassis was, of course, but with a six-litre V12 quad turbo [made out of two Modular 4.6 V8s] sitting where the 3.5-litre twin-turbo V6 should be, they just didn't know how it would go or how hard it would go wrong).

I don't really know what's good about the story of this munting, Frankenstein's monster of a car that nobody could really drive and which was aborted before it was ever shown to anyone (even Ford's senior management took one look and said no, but still dragged it to some motor shows) but it very much is not a car I'd be particularly interested in pretending to pretend to drive.

I'm not a fan of a lot of VGTs, but on their own merits (and lack thereof). Those I do like include the Mazda LM55 (inspired by the 787B and designed by Ikuo Maeda, the designer behind all Mazda's Kodo stuff and the son of Matasaburo Maeda who created the RX-7; now that's a good story), the Suzuki, the Genesis based on what I've seen so far (which is a lot), the Fittipaldi (which is of course dead; the businesses behind the Fittipaldi name are a rat's nest), and - based on how it drives - the Bulgari. I'm not a fan of the McLaren, but that too has a decent story. I thought I'd like the Honda, but it doesn't drive nicely at all.


If the GT90 was in GT7, it would be in my garage purely for the collection purposes. Would I rather drive the Bulgari Vision GT? Yep - and you can pretend otherwise all you like, but it doesn't make it anywhere close to true.
You've accidentally proven why the GT90 deserves to be in GT7.
 
You've accidentally proven why the GT90 deserves to be in GT7.
You sure do like to assume other people's thoughts and intent.

It is shonk. If you think shonk "deserves to be in GT7", that's on you, not me. I don't think it deserves this weird, mythical elevation given to it by plenty of people, but I have no opinion on whether it "deserves to be in GT7" because I have no way to determine what "deserves" means here. What makes a car deserving and another car not deserving?

Additional to the fact it's shonk, any digital recreation of it is wholly fictional because even in the real world it was no better than a rolling motor show chassis. For all the foot-stamping about the fictional performance of VGTs from various corners, the GT90 is right up there with them with its "720hp" (400hp) V12 quad-turbo (naturally aspirated) that nobody was allowed to drive hard round corners, above 5,500rpm, or over 100mph. It's would be as much guesswork and physics simulation poking as any VGT is (other than those that actually work).

And, again, this isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of concept cars - taking us right back to the question of why people don't like concept cars called VGT but give a free pass to concept cars not called VGT...
 
The sentimental value of the car far outweighs that of any VGT and let me tell you, people will lose their minds if PD put it in. It's not about the performance, it's about the story and the GT90 has a good one that would immediately make it a fantastic addition. VGT's don't connect to us in the same way, hence why they're shunned so often.
Okay Scott, this is honestly an absurd argument. The sentimental value of the GT90 and connections it has with people was gained overtime. Your argument here sounds like you think VGTs could not achieve that same sentimentality when you wouldn't be able to tell that; people can be getting attached to some of these concepts as we speak.

and you're talking about the GT90s story like a VGT car would not be capable of having a cool story of its own. That's not true, one of these VGTs could have a great story developed by its design and even become a real thing. As a matter of fact, that kind of thing has happened. There's VGTs that evolved into something else like Mclaren VGT becoming the Solus for instance.
 
Okay Scott, this is honestly an absurd argument. The sentimental value of the GT90 and connections it has with people was gained overtime. Your argument here sounds like you think VGTs could not achieve that same sentimentality when you wouldn't be able to tell that; people can be getting attached to some of these concepts as we speak.

and you're talking about the GT90s story like a VGT car would not be capable of having a cool story of its own. That's not true, one of these VGTs could have a great story developed by its design and even become a real thing. As a matter of fact, that kind of thing has happened. There's VGTs that evolved into something else like Mclaren VGT becoming the Solus for instance.
I was going to reply almost the exact same way but was having trouble wording it effectively.

I tried hard to think of legit ways VGTs are worse than any other concept, new or old, and couldn't come up anything. At the end of the day, no matter how deep these cars' stories are, they're ultimately just marketing tools for the manufacturers to get potential customers interested. So more than worthiness of being in the game and all that, I just want fun cars to drive and for those cars to have an environment where they are useful.
 
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