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they're ultimately just marketing tools for the manufacturers to get potential customers interested. So more than worthiness of being in the game and all that, I just want fun cars to drive and for those cars to have an environment where they are useful.
Basically that, they're mainly just cool things that people can look at and draw people to a brand.

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With that said, I love the Ford GT90 concept and see the potential could've been despite the issues it had. But saying it's more important than a VGT car is subjective at this point.

Though I would also say I rather if more production cars get added, but I have no agency over that.
 
You sure do like to assume other people's thoughts and intent.

It is shonk. If you think shonk "deserves to be in GT7", that's on you, not me. I don't think it deserves this weird, mythical elevation given to it by plenty of people, but I have no opinion on whether it "deserves to be in GT7" because I have no way to determine what "deserves" means here. What makes a car deserving and another car not deserving?

Additional to the fact it's shonk, any digital recreation of it is wholly fictional because even in the real world it was no better than a rolling motor show chassis. For all the foot-stamping about the fictional performance of VGTs from various corners, the GT90 is right up there with them with its "720hp" (400hp) V12 quad-turbo (naturally aspirated) that nobody was allowed to drive hard round corners, above 5,500rpm, or over 100mph. It's would be as much guesswork and physics simulation poking as any VGT is (other than those that actually work).

And, again, this isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of concept cars - taking us right back to the question of why people don't like concept cars called VGT but give a free pass to concept cars not called VGT...
It would be a realisation of dream that never came to be in the real world.
Okay Scott, this is honestly an absurd argument. The sentimental value of the GT90 and connections it has with people was gained overtime. Your argument here sounds like you think VGTs could not achieve that same sentimentality when you wouldn't be able to tell that; people can be getting attached to some of these concepts as we speak.

and you're talking about the GT90s story like a VGT car would not be capable of having a cool story of its own. That's not true, one of these VGTs could have a great story developed by its design and even become a real thing. As a matter of fact, that kind of thing has happened. There's VGTs that evolved into something else like Mclaren VGT becoming the Solus for instance.
I'm not saying that they couldn't achieve the same sentimentality, it's just that none of them have. I guess the closest thing we have to that is the LM55 because it's a modern interpretation of a beloved prototype racer. Mazda really went above and beyond for that car, as it very much transcended it's original purpose as a VGT car.
 
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I'm not saying that they couldn't achieve the same sentimentality, it's just that none of them have.
Even with that argument, it goes back to what I just said with the GT90 in the comment you just quoted. Sentimentality is gained overtime and will not happen at the same rate with every car. Also, how would you even know that none of the ones released so far haven't gained it?
 
I don't care much for completely make believe cars that don't exist.

The biggest issue for GT is that the car list is getting stale while the make believe cars take up more of the car list in each game.

Nike One was completely useless in GT4 btw
 
I don't care much for completely make believe cars that don't exist.

The biggest issue for GT is that the car list is getting stale while the make believe cars take up more of the car list in each game.

Nike One was completely useless in GT4 btw
Lets just hope this next 2 VGT are the last for this year and they start to add more real race cars and road cars.
 
Nike One was completely useless in GT4 btw
Good thing the VGTs aren’t useless in GT7 and can be used in the WTC600/700/800/900 events and others for example.

In fact VGTs are soo useless PD has them in Nations cup races and the best in the game race against each other online too! How useless!
 
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Sorry to jump into the discussion, but one reason vgts are hated may be that, apart from some spaceship-like vgts, they don't have an interior. That's at least one of my reasons for disliking the concept of vgt cars.
I drive in VR ALWAYS. I hate the VGT cars which have no cockpits. I think the VW VGT is an exception?
 
Good thing the VGTs aren’t useless in GT7 and can be used in the WTC600/700/800/900 events and others for example.

In fact VGTs are soo useless PD has them in Nations cup races and the best in the game race against each other online too! How useless!

Did I say you couldn't use them? No I didn't
 
Did I say you couldn't use them? No I didn't
So what was the point in referencing the Nike 2022 in GT4 since this is about VGT's in GT7?
This isn't the first time you've tried to link the Nike 2022 in GT4 and compare it to VGT's

Just another empty complaint from you then.
 
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I drive in VR ALWAYS. I hate the VGT cars which have no cockpits. I think the VW VGT is an exception?
I love the Peugeot VGT, but I'm really disappointed that this car doesn't have a cockpit view.
If this car had a cockpit view, it would have given me a similar experience to Ace Combat's Coffin System aircraft.
 
I love the Peugeot VGT, but I'm really disappointed that this car doesn't have a cockpit view.
If this car had a cockpit view, it would have given me a similar experience to Ace Combat's Coffin System aircraft.
I've no dislike of VGTs as such. Its the lack of compatibility with VR2's cockpit view that stops me. I'm not able to get on PS atm, so can you tell me which VGTs you could recommend in VR2 cockpit viewing?
 
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I've no dislike of VGTs as such. Its the lack of compatibility with VR2's cockpit view that stops me. I'm not able to get on PS atm, so can you tell me which VGTs you could recommend in VR2 cockpit viewing?
These are the car's without:
  • Infiniti
  • Aston Martin DP-100
  • VW GTI Supersport
  • Merc-AMG
  • BMW
  • Mini Cooper
  • Zagato
  • ItalDesign
  • Peugeot VGT Gr.3
  • Subaru VIZIV
  • Mitsubishi
  • Lexus

Car's with interiors:
  • Dodge Tomahawk (all)
  • Jaguar
  • McLaren VGT
  • VW GTI Roadster
  • Audi
  • Porsche
  • Ferrari
  • Lamborghini
  • Puegeot L500/L750
  • Alpine (3 of them)
  • Bugatti
  • Toyota FT-1
  • Nissan
  • Honda
  • Mazda LM55
  • Suzuki
  • Daihatsu
  • Hyundai
  • Chapparel 2X
After this week's update I think it's 70% VGT's will have interiors
 
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These are the car's without:
  • Infiniti
  • Aston Martin DP-100
  • VW GTI Supersport
  • Merc-AMG
  • BMW
  • Mini Cooper
  • Zagato
  • ItalDesign
  • Peugeot VGT Gr.3
  • Subaru VIZIV
  • Mitsubishi
  • Lexus

Car's with interiors:
  • Dodge Tomahawk (all)
  • Jaguar
  • McLaren VGT
  • VW GTI Roadster
  • Audi
  • Porsche
  • Ferrari
  • Lamborghini
  • Puegeot L500/L750
  • Citroën GT
  • Alpine (3 of them)
  • Bugatti
  • Toyota FT-1
  • Nissan
  • Honda
  • Mazda LM55
  • Suzuki
  • Daihatsu
  • Hyundai
  • Chapparel 2X
After this week's update I think it's 70% VGT's will have interiors
Wow i had no idea there were quite so many VGTs in the game!
 
Wow i had no idea there were quite so many VGTs in the game!
52/488 cars in the Game are VGT's, 10.65% to be increased to 11% if the Genesis is just the one version ie. no race version as spotted in the background of the video trailer.

Just to note a lot of the VGT's have been carried over from GT Sport and GT6 & are made by the manufacturers, so that haven't taken away from PD making other cars
 
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These are the car's without:
  • Infiniti
  • Aston Martin DP-100
  • VW GTI Supersport
  • Merc-AMG
  • BMW
  • Mini Cooper
  • Zagato
  • ItalDesign
  • Peugeot VGT Gr.3
  • Subaru VIZIV
  • Mitsubishi
  • Lexus

Car's with interiors:
  • Dodge Tomahawk (all)
  • Jaguar
  • McLaren VGT
  • VW GTI Roadster
  • Audi
  • Porsche
  • Ferrari
  • Lamborghini
  • Puegeot L500/L750
  • Citroën GT
  • Alpine (3 of them)
  • Bugatti
  • Toyota FT-1
  • Nissan
  • Honda
  • Mazda LM55
  • Suzuki
  • Daihatsu
  • Hyundai
  • Chapparel 2X
After this week's update I think it's 70% VGT's will have interiors
Hate to tell ya but the GT by Citroën is not a VGT, it's too old to be one. When the Vision GT program started the car already existed.
 
That's just sad
Why? as I said in the rest of the post, they're mostly carried over from the previous games, not affecting other cars in the game.

The only cars added to GT7 for VGT are:
  • Suzuki VGT
  • Suzuki VGT Gr.3
  • Ferrari VGT
  • Italdesign Road
  • Italdesign Off-Road
  • Porsche VGT
  • Porsche VGT Spyder
and soon to be added:
  • Bulgari
  • Genesis
So that'll be 9/59 cars added to GT7 in 2 years that are VGT's
 
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Why? as I said in the rest of the post, they're mostly carried over from the previous games, not affecting other cars in the game.

The only cars added to GT7 for VGT are:
  • Suzuki VGT
  • Suzuki VGT Gr.3
  • Italdesign Road
  • Italdesign Off-Road
  • Porsche VGT
  • Porsche VGT Spyder
and soon to be added:
  • Bulgari
  • Genesis
So that'll be 8/58 cars added to GT7 in 2 years that are VGT's
Ferrari?
 
I'm not saying that they couldn't achieve the same sentimentality, it's just that none of them have.
Sorry, but this is just incredibly myopic. Some of us were adults when the GT90 was released, it is just another concept car - you may like it, you may not - but there isn't anything inherently special about it. If your early exposure to the car was related to it being in GT2 then yes, you're very likely to have a different attachment to it, ask me to name one Ford concept car, and my mind will jump to the Indigo far more often.

I've spent probably 50% of my time in Gran Turismo over the last 10 years with the BMW VGT, I have a significantly bigger attachment to that car than almost any other car in the game, but I wouldn't claim that it's presence in the game was justified because of my attachment to it, that's just nuts.

edit: Just thinking about it, I've probably got a bigger sentimental attachment to the Toyota Pod than the GT90...

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It would be a realisation of dream that never came to be in the real world.
Imagine if you could say the same about any other concept car that didn't even get as far as leaving the page (because it wasn't backed by the extremely profligate mid-90s Ford, which was at the same time buying into F1 and hurling resources at WRC; even it baulked at the GT90).

Oh wait, you can.
 
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