Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Famine]

So in other words, they are lazy and/or not having enough commitment for GT7.

No. There's no other words needed.

I don't know why the car pipeline isn't anywhere near its capacity, and I don't have any reason to assume it's because they're "lazy" or don't have "enough commitment". You can, of course, assume whatever you wish.

So, they can do 5 cars per month if they wanted to. They're just choosing not to.

Similarly, I don't know that it's a choice either.

Maybe you have more information than me, but it seems more believable to me that they are modeling around 60 cars per year, and saving around half for their next game.

"I think nowadays we are no longer in the era where you hold on to the new cars and tracks that you create for the next title, and you save it all for your release. I don't think we work that way any more. Now it is sort of like being on Spotify or the iTunes Store; I think it is more natural to have new additional cars and tracks added to the store as they are ready to go."

Kazunori Yamauchi Has 'No Intention of Stopping' GT Sport's Free Updates

Yesterday we brought you the first part of our interview with Gran Turismo series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, from the Paris World Tour event. We got to sit down with Yamauchi and talk about the FIA-Certified Gran Turismo Online Championship, but we also covered broader topics on GT Sport and the

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That was, of course, during GT Sport in 2019, and we can very much say that they stopped adding cars into Sport over its final year and launched GT7 with about 80 more than Sport ended with.

However, the last track update was December 2019 and the final three-car update arrived in February 2020 - with only sponsor cars arriving thereafter (three Toyotas and the RX-Vision GT3). From then until GT7's launch was two years, giving enough time to model 120 cars. Only 80 in that time still shows they were not working to 100% capacity even in this period.

It's simply not safe to assume they're flat-out and modelling Vision GTs instead of other things.

 

[MatskiMonk]

These are the cars they've added to the game that get in the way of whatever car it is someone is pining for...

1932 Ford Roadster '63
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm '20
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT Veloce '67
Aston Martin Valkyrie '21
Audi RS 5 Turbo DTM '19
BMW M2 Competition '18
Bugatti Chiron '16
Chevrolet Corvette (C1) '58
Chevrolet Corvette C8 Stingray '20
Citroën DS 21 Pallas '70
Honda/Dallara SF23 Super Formula '23
Toyota/Dallara SF23 Super Formula '23
Dodge Challenger SRT Demon '18
Dodge Charger R/T 426 Hemi '68
Ford Sierra RS 500 Cosworth '87
Garage RCR Civic
Greening Auto Company Maverick
Honda Civic Type R (FL5) '22
Honda RA272 '65
Jaguar XJ220 '92
Lexus LFA '10
Maserati A6GCS/53 Spyder '54
Maserati MC20 '20
Maserati Merak SS '80
Mazda Roadster NR-A (ND) '22
Mazda3 Gr.4
Mazda3 X Burgundy Selection '19
McLaren MP4/4 '88
Mercedes-AMG GT3 '20
Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II '91
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR '95
NISMO 400R '95
Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 '18
Nissan SILVIA K's AERO (S14) '96
Nissan Silvia K's Type S (S14) '94
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R NISMO (R32) '90
Nissan Skyline Super Silhouette Group 5 '84
Pontiac GTO 'The Judge' '69
Porsche 911 Carrera RS (901) '73
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992) '22
Porsche 918 Spyder '13
Porsche 959 '87
Porsche Carrera GTS (904) '64
Porsche Cayman GT4 '16
Roadster Shop Rampage
Subaru BRZ GT300 '21
Subaru BRZ S '21
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '04
Suzuki Cappuccino (EA11R) '91
Suzuki Jimny XC '18
Suzuki V6 ESCUDO Pikes Peak Special '98
Tesla Model 3 Performance '23
Toyota Alphard Executive Lounge '18
Toyota Ambulance Himedic '21
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
Toyota GR Corolla MORIZO Edition '22
Toyota GR010 HYBRID '21
Volkswagen ID. R '19

Yet the ones that seem to take up all PD's resources, are these...

BVLGARI Aluminium Vision Gran Turismo
Ferrari Vision Gran Turismo
Genesis X Gran Berlinetta Vision Gran Turismo
Italdesign EXENEO Vision Gran Turismo Off-road Mode
Italdesign EXENEO Vision Gran Turismo Street Mode
Porsche Vision Gran Turismo Spyder
Suzuki Vision Gran Turismo
Suzuki Vision Gran Turismo (Gr.3 Version)


I'm not buying that logic.

 

[Revengel]

It's also a completely free update.

As was every other GT7 update and the vast majority weren’t greatly received either.

For example:

I don’t really have a public opinion when it comes to updates but couldn’t help myself this time. This update stinks! 😆 I only hope they add wild g wagon and defender body kits for the jimny and not just a simple lip and skirt. I fear i am already getting my hopes too high…

This is why I said in my previous post in this string I can understand if PD decided to do nothing.


For a free update - and all of them have been free - the amount of disdain/dislike/disappointment expressed in these forums is by percentage gargantuan.


Abrasive Move Activated

Keep that same energy when the updates stop.

/ABRASIVE MODE

 

[05XR8]

In before: “See? Thats eight cars we don’t have because of those dang VGTs!”

 

[Islaygaz]

It's also a completely free update.

You can’t say things like that on here!!

 

[tankuroded]

These are the cars they've added to the game that get in the way of whatever car it is someone is pining for...

1932 Ford Roadster '63
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm '20
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT Veloce '67
Aston Martin Valkyrie '21
Audi RS 5 Turbo DTM '19
BMW M2 Competition '18
Bugatti Chiron '16
Chevrolet Corvette (C1) '58
Chevrolet Corvette C8 Stingray '20
Citroën DS 21 Pallas '70
Honda/Dallara SF23 Super Formula '23
Toyota/Dallara SF23 Super Formula '23
Dodge Challenger SRT Demon '18
Dodge Charger R/T 426 Hemi '68
Ford Sierra RS 500 Cosworth '87
Garage RCR Civic
Greening Auto Company Maverick
Honda Civic Type R (FL5) '22
Honda RA272 '65
Jaguar XJ220 '92
Lexus LFA '10
Lexus LFA '10
Maserati A6GCS/53 Spyder '54
Maserati MC20 '20
Maserati Merak SS '80
Mazda Roadster NR-A (ND) '22
Mazda3 Gr.4
Mazda3 X Burgundy Selection '19
McLaren MP4/4 '88
Mercedes-AMG GT3 '20
Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II '91
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR '95
NISMO 400R '95
Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 '18
Nissan SILVIA K's AERO (S14) '96
Nissan Silvia K's Type S (S14) '94
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R NISMO (R32) '90
Nissan Skyline Super Silhouette Group 5 '84
PPontiac GTO 'The Judge' '69
Porsche 911 Carrera RS (901) '73
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992) '22
Porsche 918 Spyder '13
Porsche 959 '87
Porsche Carrera GTS (904) '64
Porsche Cayman GT4 '16
Roadster Shop Rampage
Subaru BRZ GT300 '21
Subaru BRZ S '21
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '04
Suzuki Cappuccino (EA11R) '91
Suzuki Jimny XC '18
Suzuki V6 ESCUDO Pikes Peak Special '98
Tesla Model 3 Performance '23
Toyota Alphard Executive Lounge '18
Toyota Ambulance Himedic '21
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
Toyota GR Corolla MORIZO Edition '22
Toyota GR010 HYBRID '21
Volkswagen ID. R '19

Yet the ones that seem to take up all PD's resources, are these...

BVLGARI Aluminium Vision Gran Turismo
Ferrari Vision Gran Turismo
Genesis X Gran Berlinetta Vision Gran Turismo
Italdesign EXENEO Vision Gran Turismo Off-road Mode
Italdesign EXENEO Vision Gran Turismo Street Mode
Porsche Vision Gran Turismo Spyder
Suzuki Vision Gran Turismo
Suzuki Vision Gran Turismo (Gr.3 Version)


I'm not buying that logic.

Mazda3 Gr.4 is a debatable one tbh, because of it being a fictional race car (albeit based on an existing road model and partially combined from existing race cars). Remember the sentiment against fictional Gr.4/Gr.3 cars?

EDIT: Also, note the sentiment against supposed "duplicate" cars too (the 2018 GT-R GT3 got a bad one for this at launch).

 

[i386]

is it a "free" update when you paid 80€/$ for the game? 🤔

 

[GlamFM]

is it a "free" update when you paid 80€/$ for the game? 🤔

That’s an easy one:

Yes.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

These are the cars they've added to the game that get in the way of whatever car it is someone is pining for...

1932 Ford Roadster '63
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm '20
Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT Veloce '67
Aston Martin Valkyrie '21
Audi RS 5 Turbo DTM '19
BMW M2 Competition '18
Bugatti Chiron '16
Chevrolet Corvette (C1) '58
Chevrolet Corvette C8 Stingray '20
Citroën DS 21 Pallas '70
Honda/Dallara SF23 Super Formula '23
Toyota/Dallara SF23 Super Formula '23
Dodge Challenger SRT Demon '18
Dodge Charger R/T 426 Hemi '68
Ford Sierra RS 500 Cosworth '87
Garage RCR Civic
Greening Auto Company Maverick
Honda Civic Type R (FL5) '22
Honda RA272 '65
Jaguar XJ220 '92
Lexus LFA '10
Lexus LFA '10
Maserati A6GCS/53 Spyder '54
Maserati MC20 '20
Maserati Merak SS '80
Mazda Roadster NR-A (ND) '22
Mazda3 Gr.4
Mazda3 X Burgundy Selection '19
McLaren MP4/4 '88
Mercedes-AMG GT3 '20
Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5 - 16 Evolution II '91
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR '95
NISMO 400R '95
Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 '18
Nissan SILVIA K's AERO (S14) '96
Nissan Silvia K's Type S (S14) '94
Nissan SKYLINE 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R NISMO (R32) '90
Nissan Skyline Super Silhouette Group 5 '84
PPontiac GTO 'The Judge' '69
Porsche 911 Carrera RS (901) '73
Porsche 911 GT3 RS (992) '22
Porsche 918 Spyder '13
Porsche 959 '87
Porsche Carrera GTS (904) '64
Porsche Cayman GT4 '16
Roadster Shop Rampage
Subaru BRZ GT300 '21
Subaru BRZ S '21
Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '04
Suzuki Cappuccino (EA11R) '91
Suzuki Jimny XC '18
Suzuki V6 ESCUDO Pikes Peak Special '98
Tesla Model 3 Performance '23
Toyota Alphard Executive Lounge '18
Toyota Ambulance Himedic '21
Toyota CELICA GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205) '95
Toyota GR Corolla MORIZO Edition '22
Toyota GR010 HYBRID '21
Volkswagen ID. R '19

Yet the ones that seem to take up all PD's resources, are these...

BVLGARI Aluminium Vision Gran Turismo
Ferrari Vision Gran Turismo
Genesis X Gran Berlinetta Vision Gran Turismo
Italdesign EXENEO Vision Gran Turismo Off-road Mode
Italdesign EXENEO Vision Gran Turismo Street Mode
Porsche Vision Gran Turismo Spyder
Suzuki Vision Gran Turismo
Suzuki Vision Gran Turismo (Gr.3 Version)


I'm not buying that logic.

I also question how much of the heavy lifting PD is doing with regards to the Vision cars. I suspect that some or even most of the digital asset creation is done by the company company who creates them. And a lot of them don't have interiors.

 

[PSN offapple]

Something that we should be getting past by this point, but will have factored in at the time, is that during the Covid lockdowns Polyphony would have had to burn through their stockpile of content while not being able to scan new cars to add to it.

My guess is that they're building that stockpile back up until they are back to a point of being comfortable. Something perhaps like for every 3 car update, 2 more get added to the stockpile.

Covid will have had an effect on new circuit production too for similar reasons. And not just going places to scan stuff, but even being able to go into the PD offices.

This is of course just a theory / potential explanation for what could be going on.

 

[mastretta_mx]

So in other words, they are lazy and/or not having enough commitment for GT7.

Or there are instructions/plans based on the live service model or actions for preventing crunch?? There are more things that could be around besides being lazy🤔🤔

 

[mastretta_mx]

is it a "free" update when you paid 80€/$ for the game? 🤔

Considering how many developers charge for DLC/season pass after you paid for the game, yes. Equally that doesn't means that we can't express disappointment for the current update though

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

This isn't really a bad thing. If they don't save up cars for GT8, imagine the mess when people discover GT8 doesn't have many new cars over GT7.

I can understand that, but this isn't something I prefer. I liked it more when content was pushed full force in a game (not just GT) for 2 years (or however long they want to support the current game) and then just dropped to shift that focus to the next game. Yes, that leads into a drought, but I would prefer that to being drip-fed for several years.

Similarly, I don't know that it's a choice either.

Not a choice? hmmm, is it possible that they're forced to do this?

 

[GTP_reddevil]

For example:

This is why I said in my previous post in this string I can understand if PD decided to do nothing.


For a free update - and all of them have been free - the amount of disdain/dislike/disappointment expressed in these forums is by percentage gargantuan.


Abrasive Move Activated

Keep that same energy when the updates stop.

/ABRASIVE MODE

If nothing was said, PD would probably continue at the rate and we would have to pretend to be highly ecstatic every single time whilst wishing otherwise.

Nothing wrong with expressing disappointment - it’s just something shared heavily among the GTPlanet community it seems.

 

[MroczMR]

To be honest. For me people are overreacting. Last year we didn't get January update at all first one was on Februrary, sooooo after Holiday break (which all people deserve!) we've got small update. It is better than nothing don't you think?

 

[RobertHammer]

To be honest. For me people are overreacting. Last year we didn't get January update at all first one was on Februrary, sooooo after Holiday break (which all people deserve!) we've got small update. It is better than nothing don't you think?

Don't you know people want monthly 20 cars and 5 tracks for free because they bought GT7 🤪

 

[Revengel]

If nothing was said, PD would probably continue at the rate and we would have to pretend to be highly ecstatic every single time whilst wishing otherwise.

Fair enough, but this is a double-edged sword. More on that in a bit.

Nothing wrong with expressing disappointment - it’s just something shared heavily among the GTPlanet community it seems.

Agreed, but this can come at a cost.

The continual gripes - if taken seriously - will trigger a cost/benefit analysis. Should any company see the flood of gripes based on free updates or any free service that comes after purchase of the product on a constant basis, they can and often will make the following business decision:

Customers don't like it and it costs overhead. Cease producing updates. The customers may continue to complain, but we won't continue to run up overhead costs.

For those who complain about these free updates like it's an Olympic event, kindly read the previous paragraph again.

To be honest. For me people are overreacting. Last year we didn't get January update at all first one was on Februrary, sooooo after Holiday break (which all people deserve!) we've got small update. It is better than nothing don't you think?

Preach.

Don't you know people want monthly 20 cars and 5 tracks for free because they bought GT7 🤪

Ok, this made me snarf . . . and was a needed guffaw.

For whatever reason, the complaints must have hit a nerve on this Revengel today.


Granted all this is my opinion. I may well be wrong.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I’m not really bothered by the cars, but the pitiful amount of new races is just a complete joke after almost three months of waiting, especially on the back of Spec II that added so many.

 

[GTJG44]

So what is this all about btw?

 

[MroczMR]

I’m not really bothered by the cars, but the pitiful amount of new races is just a complete joke after almost three months of waiting, especially on the back of Spec II that added so many.

Spec II also added improved payouts for custom races, they are now pretty much on par with normal races. I think you should try this.

 

[Canucks_9419]

I might sound like a idiot but I really think that the Genesis X is the best looking VGT of all time along with the Mercedes VGT, it just looks so good.

You're not an idiot, I'm really excited to take that car for a spin tomorrow (while also making haters uncontrollably seethe at the same time 😂)!!

 

[MroczMR]

You're not an idiot, I'm really excited to take that car for a spin tomorrow (while also making haters uncontrollably seethe at the same time 😂)!!

I will try it also.

And I am excited that Monza got another world event even if it is VGT one

Also I think there are plenty of exciting updates for us waiting. The same thing about the end of GT7 was talked when ambulance update came out and later we've got awesome Spec II update. I think we will get nice thing later this year. For me it is just a game I will wait.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Spec II also added improved payouts for custom races, they are now pretty much on par with normal races. I think you should try this.

Custom races are fine, but they’re not some silver bullet. While finally increasing the payouts is nice, there’s still issues like the AI always being stuck at 95% throttle and only using a car’s original tire compound. Making custom grids can be a PITA too if you want specific cars from the Used and Legends dealers.

Additionally, now that this game is almost two years old, it’s honestly baffling to me that not a single new championship has ever been added and no new endurance races either since Human Comedy.

 

[Confus]

For a free update - and all of them have been free - the amount of disdain/dislike/disappointment expressed in these forums is by percentage gargantuan.

It really is mildly ridiculous. I play GT7 a few times a week if I'm able, and I always enjoy myself. It's nice logging in every so often to see a few new cars and an occasional track or gameplay improvement, but I really don't understand why so many people here live and die by these updates. If you were paying for it via a season pass or something I get it, but if you don't like the free update, just wait a month for the next free update.

 

[05XR8]

Thing is, many players feel They shouldn’t have to create their own ways to have fun. The way past games are, races and challenges are plenty and replayable. Whether by Championships or endurance races, earlier games kept players busy.
GT7 just doesn’t have events that cover all types of players.

 

[Lomic]

Should any company see the flood of gripes based on free updates or any free service that comes after purchase of the product on a constant basis, they can and often will make the following business decision:

Customers don't like it and it costs overhead. Cease producing updates. The customers may continue to complain, but we won't continue to run up overhead costs.

Maybe but if you offer less and less each time, the success of your products won't last, past successes and nostalgia are not enough to warrant blind adhesion from player base (in case of a video game). GT franchise is not too big too fail.

 

[Revengel]

Do I get a free Mazda with the update tomorrow?

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THAT WATCH IS HOT. And this from someone who's favorite watch in the collection is a Movado Saphire.

Maybe but if you offer less and less each time, the success of your products won't last, past successes and nostalgia are not enough to warrant blind adhesion from player base (in case of a video game). GT franchise is not too big too fail.

This is the Cost/Benefit analysis in a nutshell. When the approach becomes "make the game with whatever number of cars are available and don't add anything after launch" they may have smaller continuing revenue . . . but they'll certainly have greatly reduced ongoing costs moving forward.

Think of how many positions they can cut without any need for updates. The only costs after game release would be for server maintenance and administrative costs . . . possibly advertising. If they want to increase revenue, just add a DLC pack for a quick influx of cash.


Tons of games have gotten away with less and continue to exist.


When the masses continue to complain about the free updates, it's another reason to push microtransactions and DLC . . . because "it's obvious free updates don't work because look at all the complaining."


One should be careful about what one complains about. They may lose that item and have it replaced with something worse . . . or nothing at all.


Just food for thought.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

It's also a completely free update.

Has there ever been an update/DLC that wasn't free for any GT game?

 

[Tired Tyres]

Has there ever been an update/DLC that wasn't free for any GT game?

Yes. GT5 had DLC. Including use once and lose them paint chips...

 

[Lomic]

One should be careful about what one complains about. They may lose that item and have it replaced with something worse . . . or nothing at all.

Got it, better praise the game studio and never raise issues, in case it gets worse 😅