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Yup. That's why they have anti-cheat detection.
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Supposedly there was a PC port in development, but it was shelved.
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As far as we're aware, no there wasn't... so no it wasn't :lol:

A lot of places took our article in which Kazunori Yamauchi said it had been considered and looked into as if it was actively being pursued, so he later had to deny that (someone even quoted us saying it was to him in a question and... we just didn't say that) and then the whole game of telephone took place.

I wouldn't say no GT game would head to PC, but I've always been very, very confident indeed that GT7 wasn't the one that would.
 
Lomic
Is there cheating on iRacing ? AMS ? LMU ? Or even modding ?
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Don't know about those games but there's cheating in the PC port of F1 games, so it's possible to cheat in racing games. There's also cheating on PS4 FPS games though, so it's not like a game is immune because it's on console. You still need to have anti cheat measures.
 
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As far as we're aware, no there wasn't... so no it wasn't :lol:

A lot of places took our article in which Kazunori Yamauchi said it had been considered and looked into as if it was actively being pursued, so he later had to deny that (someone even quoted us saying it was to him in a question and... we just didn't say that) and then the whole game of telephone took place.

I wouldn't say no GT game would head to PC, but I've always been very, very confident indeed that GT7 wasn't the one that would.
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I think the persistent rumour (on Twitter/Reddit etc) is more to do with the Nvidia Geforce leak. GT7 and Demon’s Souls are the only PS games left from it that haven’t been released on PC, so people will still insist they are coming.

GT8 on PC day 1 always seemed a better bet to me, especially now after the success of Helldivers 2 for Sony.
 
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I think the persistent rumour (on Twitter/Reddit etc) is more to do with the Nvidia Geforce leak. GT7 and Demon’s Souls are the only PS games left from it that haven’t been released on PC, so people will still insist they are coming.
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We pointed out right away that GT7 wasn't on the list in the same way as other titles that were coming, and the whole thing looked like storefront scrapes. That this rumour wouldn't go away was crazy.
 
Lomic
Is there cheating on iRacing ? AMS ? LMU ? Or even modding ?
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AMS, modding? 100%, it was built on the RFactor engine with modding as a part of the product.

AMS2, modding? It is built on the Madness engine, so it is not designed for modding, but it has happened.

That said, I agree with regard to the cheating side, these titles, iRacing in particular, have been used for very high-profile events (in excess of that which GT has been used for) and while cheating has happened, it has not been via the software.

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That said, I agree with regard to the cheating side, these titles, iRacing in particular, have been used for very high-profile events (in excess of that which GT has been used for) and while cheating has happened, it has not been via the software.
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I don't believe cheating is a valid reason not to bring GT to PC, it may be an excuse, but it is BS.

For me the real reason is that it sells PSs (and it is the main reason for me to buy a PS5, a PSVR2 and recently to benefit of a trade-in offer to switch to a PS5 pro).
 
PlayStation let The Last of Us - its biggest crown jewel IP - launch in a terrible state on PC, and Spider-Man 2 is not looking in much better shape from its recent launch.

I wouldn't blame PD for being very sceptical of going onto PC until Sony's porting initiative can show it can consistently ship games in a good state.
 
According to the latest rumour - PD prefers to work on the next GT than doing a PC port of GT7

which is a better idea imho , who knows if it will be GT8 or some side sequel like GT Sport was
 
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Famine
Assuming the Civic is an EF, none of the four cars are from past games. None of the previous five were either. You have to go back to the Evo VIII in 1.52 to find one: one of the last 12 cars including this upcoming update. Most updates have more all-new than returning (even if we include closely related cars as returning) with only four updates bucking that trend.


However, it was "only", and "old cars" not "cars from past games". He said "if you do only that [add old cars], it will probably end" and "if all you want is old cars that's fine, but that will never last".

Over the last year (the interview is now two years old), we've had one update - 1.43 - which hasn't included a Brand Central-exclusive (therefore 2010 and on) car. In fact I think that's the only one full-stop, although the two in 1.29 were the ItalDesign VGT twins. Every other update has had something new as well as the old cars, therefore not being "only" old cars added.
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With EVs going to be a bigger part of GT going forward, I think it is only a matter of time before PD creates a "Gr.E" class. And I feel there is enough out there where the bones of such a category could exist today featuring stuff like the Ford Mustang Mach E 1400, Porsche Mission R, and the long teased but not yet ingame Tesla Race car.

Heck if PD were willing to go a bit further the Ioniq N Time Attack car could also slot in, though IRL it is underpowered, and would have to be BOP'd. Or they could throw in a fictional racing version of the N Vision 74 concept.

If PD were really feeling their oats and though they could get away with ropey BOP'ing it, the ID.R could even potentially make the grade, as while like the Ioniq it would be underpowered, the downforce would make up for it, though it would probably be a similar case to why the Escudo doesn't work in Gr.B in practice.
 
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According to the latest rumour - PD prefers to work on the next GT than doing a PC port of GT7

which is a better idea imho , who knows if it will be GT8 or some side sequel like GT Sport was
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Fully agreed. I wouldn't even mind another side-game ala GTS as long as a more formal GT8 has all the cars from GT7 carry over. Or, maybe there could be a mobile version that has connectivity to GT8, titled "Gran Turismo Alleggerita."
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With EVs going to be a bigger part of GT going forward, I think it is only a matter of time before PD creates a "Gr.E" class.
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I'm not so sure about that, seeing how various automakers are reneging on their plans for EVs, such as Lotus and Genesis. That said, I would be very interested in a group of made-for-game racers based on road cars akin to Gr.4, except they're all EVs. I'd even be fine with it being part of the Manufacturers Series - though I'm unsure of how some automakers could have a model, like Toyota/Subaru, let alone brands like the aforementioned Genesis. Honestly, as far as the Manufacturers Series goes, I'd much rather have Gr.1 potentially be a part of it and maybe even Gr.2, even if it means some brands making a new VGT when they already have one. We've already seen such a thing with Jaguar and Peugeot, too.
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Best thing would be to get Pike's Peak with Goodwood hillclimb back, I wouldn't mind even paid DLC like LH challenge on GT Sport, to finnaly use those Hillclimb cars.
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This I would also agree with, especially since I bet PD would model the changes in air pressure/temperature/oxygen as you ascend.
 
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With EVs going to be a bigger part of GT going forward, I think it is only a matter of time before PD creates a "Gr.E" class. And I feel there is enough out there where the bones of such a category could exist today featuring stuff like the Ford Mustang Mach E 1400, Porsche Mission R, and the long teased but not yet ingame Tesla Race car.

Heck if PD were willing to go a bit further the Ioniq N Time Attack car could also slot in, though IRL it is underpowered, and would have to be BOP'd. Or they could throw in a fictional racing version of the N Vision 74 concept.

If PD were really feeling their oats and though they could get away with ropey BOP'ing it, the ID.R could even potentially make the grade, as while like the Ioniq it would be underpowered, the downforce would make up for it, though it would probably be a similar case to why the Escudo doesn't work in Gr.B in practice.
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Ropey BoP is the worst thing PD do and I want them to stop doing it. The LMGT1s and the '90s WRC cars feel nothing like how they should under BoP, and that's the only conditions they ever get used in online because even single-make events like the TTs use group BoP rather than stock figures.

I'm not against an electric race car class, but it needs to look like Gr.3 (minus the Silhouette) does currently, where the cars are already sort of competitive with each other at a certain target speed level and just need some tweaking.
 
Well, blame @Jordan for all this but.. If I were to place a bet: I'm going to guess B-Spec mode will be implemented? I know nothing about this other than I saw someone mention it somewhere here with a screenshot from a recent event.

Now, that in and of itself is almost entirely uninteresting to me except.. I could see them adding endurance races as part of this. Because I imagine, in their mind, they're thinking.. why the heck would we add 6/12/24 hour races when like 99% of the audience isn't going to do that? And, realistically, it is kind of an insane ask. We're not all @F4H Super GT . I know I'm totally down for like 2 hour races for sure. Maybe up to 4. Beyond that, not really. The game isn't dynamic enough to make it interesting beyond that, IMO (i.e. no realistic mechanical wear/failures/fatigue etc.)

So they're thinking, well if we add something like B-Spec then people don't actually have to drive full races. They can just sit back and watch the whole thing or, hopefully, they have a system where you can jump in and out of the car via pit-stops and swap with AI drivers.

Bare Minimum: (Most Realistic Scenario)
  • Endurance races will be on courses that currently support 24 hour time.
  • System that allows seamless driver swapping with AI in pits.
  • System that allows save states during race.
Then, with regards to our opponents and how Endurance Racing is implemented overall, I see we have two possible paths that Polyphony took to implement it:

Scenario A - Sophy AI -
  • Forward facing; efficient for growth in the future. We get a narrower/shallower implementation now, but with the potential for faster growth and a better experience in later updates or GT8 etc.
  • They would be added as something similar to Missions. Unique, hand crafted, but limited events. We'd have to wait for them to add one at a time, probably.
  • I would expect it may be limited to Gr4, Gr3, Gr1 cars etc. They've already trained the AI with many or most of these classes of cars and are generally balanced, but they need to solve the Pit Strategy/Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption Logic.
  • Races would actually be challenging and worth doing, IMO.

Scenario B - Old AI -
  • Quicker/easier implementation, not too dissimilar to what you can already do with Custom Races.
  • Support across a broader spectrum of cars and tracks from the start.
  • Freedom to BoP our own custom grids. Pseudo variable difficulty via scaling yours or opponents cars.
  • Ability to make our own pseudo "Multi-Class" races with custom grids.
  • Ability to use the community's realistic replica liveries.

Ideally:
  • Courses with the 24 hour time cycle AND dynamic weather will be supported.
  • Sport Mode will have support to allow online driver swapping.

Maybe Some Day 🤞:
  • Official Multi-Class Racing - This is a huge aspect of endurance racing. Minimizes time spent driving alone (varied vehicle speeds means more spread out) and adds the dynamic element of slower/faster traffic. This is my favorite aspect of endurance racing and why I find it more interesting/exciting than traditional, single class races. I don't think it'll happen because the grids are just on the limit of too small? 30 car grid would be alright. Two classes of 15 or three classes of 10.
  • Mechanical Wear - Another huge aspect of endurance racing. This is even less likely to happen because its just not Gran Turismo's cup of tea. I also don't think it's entirely necessary. I believe Polyphony's relationships with auto manufacturers is precious to them. I don't know if they could come up with a way to implement failures without some sort've stress on their business ties/co-marketing. When some idiot on Reddit or Youtube makes a video about "My Ferrari is always breaking!", even though the effect is universal across all cars, and then Ferrari PR sees it and says, "No, this is unacceptable. We will not let our brand be represented as such. Everyone knows our cars are infallible and the best in the world."
Frankly, I'm a bit torn on the implementation. I'm okay with limited races I think? As long has you hit the big main ones. Le Mans, Spa, Daytona, (Please add Sebring) etc. Support for miscellaneous other tracks can always be added in the future. Racing against the standard AI is the most brain dead experience for me. Nothing engaging or interesting about it. But, using custom grids and liveries is a huge deal to me. PD doesn't make realistic grids or let us use real liveries. Half of what GT7 is for me, or was, was researching old race classes, finding what cars are available in GT7, researching real race cars of the era, finding out what their actual HP and Weight was then BoP'ing from there, trying to find the real liveries (Thank you all for your amazing work!) or making one myself, and then setting up the whole race. It makes it so much more awesome for me seeing the proper cars and liveries in a field. It's weird that it makes such a difference.
 
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Well, blame @Jordan for all this but.. If I were to place a bet: I'm going to guess B-Spec mode will be implemented? I know nothing about this other than I saw someone mention it somewhere here with a screenshot from a recent event.

Now, that in and of itself is almost entirely uninteresting to me except.. I could see them adding endurance races as part of this. Because I imagine, in their mind, they're thinking.. why the heck would we add 6/12/24 hour races when like 99% of the audience isn't going to do that? And, realistically, it is kind of an insane ask. We're not all @F4H Super GT . I know I'm totally down for like 2 hour races for sure. Maybe up to 4. Beyond that, not really. The game isn't dynamic enough to make it interesting beyond that, IMO (i.e. no realistic mechanical wear/failures/fatigue etc.)

So they're thinking, well if we add something like B-Spec then people don't actually have to drive full races. They can just sit back and watch the whole thing or, hopefully, they have a system where you can jump in and out of the car via pit-stops and swap with AI drivers.

Bare Minimum: (Most Realistic Scenario)
  • Endurance races will be on courses that currently support 24 hour time.
  • Implement a system that allows seamless driver swapping with AI in pits.
  • Implement a system that allows save states during race.
  • I would expect it may limited to Gr4, Gr3, Gr1 cars. They've had to train Sophy with the cars and each track.

Ideally:
  • Sophy AI will be used and understand Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption/Pit Lane logic.
  • Courses with the 24 hour time cycle AND dynamic weather will be supported.
  • Sport Mode will have support to allow online driver swapping.
  • Support Custom Races/Grids.
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Or even more ideally : Endurance races without Sophy, because :

A - The fact that Sophy and Endurance are interdependent would mean that PS4 players couldn't have access to endurance races. And this is written by a PS5 player.
B - Sophy drives stock cars only, meaning custom races will have their cars all over the place in term of performances. Not to mention that without tuning parts and liveries that goes with them, options will be limited very quickly (example : the DTM Weekly Challenge wouldn't work very well with Sophy, if not at all).

I don't know... I can't wait for endurance races to make a return, I can't wait to see what Sophy could bring on longer races, but both at the same time might lead to unecessary limitations here and there. Again.
 
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Or even more ideally : Endurance races without Sophy, because :

A - The fact that Sophy and Endurance are interdependent would mean that PS4 players couldn't have access to endurance races. And this is written by a PS5 player.
B - Sophy drives stock cars only, meaning custom races will have their cars all over the place in term of performances. Not to mention that without tuning parts and liveries that goes with them, options will be limited very quickly (example : the DTM Weekly Challenge wouldn't work very well with Sophy, if not at all).

I don't know... I can't wait for endurance races to make a return, I can't wait to see what Sophy could bring on longer races, but both at the same time might lead to unecessary limitations here and there. Again.
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Yea, as I kept re-reading it and thinking, I realized Custom Races can't use Sophy anyway so it's these are two separate paths. Will update and rewrite accordingly.
 
Sophy is barely able to do 2 or 3 laps on most tracks, so having endurance with Sophy is just impossible.
 
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