Grand Tour: Toscana Tarmac at Night...Changed ?

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Alara78
Hi Guys,


A while back I attempted to complete the Grand Tour, but unfortunately, wasn't able to get gold on everything.
So yesterday I was feeling good about my performance that day and thought to myself; Let's try that Grand Tour again.

So I started with the Eiger Nord Wand, with the Alfa 8C. After a couple of tries I managed to get silver instead of the bronze I had for months, so I was satisfied with that one for now....time to move on.

Next was the Tarmac section of Toscana at night. I had allready gotten gold on it once, before my save game got corrupted, so I thought that it would be easy.
So I start up the event....only to find out that the track-layout had completely changed.
Are you kidding me ? I've spent a good few hours on that track trying to memorize every corner and bump, now only to start all over again with the learning process.

Has anybody else encountered this issue ? I thought that the track-layout would remain the same, I mean, it's not like they changed all the other Grand-Tour tracks too.
I'm actually a bit pissed because of this.:grumpy:
 
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Toscana is generated.. Eiger and so on are not...

They changed the routine i think, thats why old tracks dont work online and thats why it generates a new one in this event...
 
tourist
Toscana is generated.. Eiger and so on are not...

They changed the routine i think, thats why old tracks dont work online and thats why it generates a new one in this event...
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I figured as much, but why doesn't that track change every time you play it ?

It was the same lay-out for months, and now all of a sudden it's changed....that's just wrong.
 
dabest2500
What do you mean?
Compare other vids with mine, you'll notice that it's EXACTLY the same.
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Sigh....I knew people wouldn't get it.


Last month my version of the Toscana Tarmac was exactly the same as all the others. No matter how many times I would start that track, it would remain the same.

Yesterday I started up the event and found out it was different than before, and I'm not talking a few different turns here or there, but completely altered from it's previous state, ok.


I'll see if I can get some screenshots on here tonight to show you what I'm saying.
 
Alara78
Sigh....I knew people wouldn't get it.


Last month my version of the Toscana Tarmac was exactly the same as all the others. No matter how many times I would start that track, it would remain the same.

Yesterday I started up the event and found out it was different than before, and I'm not talking a few different turns here or there, but completely altered from it's previous state, ok.


I'll see if I can get some screenshots on here tonight to show you what I'm saying.
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Oh, I get it now :)
Would you say it's easier or harder?
Also, are the times the same?
 
dabest2500
Oh, I get it now :)
Would you say it's easier or harder?
Also, are the times the same?
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Well, I have to say that I didn't put a lot of time into it as I was turned off by the fact that it wasn't the same as before, so I couldn't really tell you if it's harder or easier then before.

Well come to think of it....it's harder, because now I have to learn the track from scratch.

Gonna try it again tonight.
 
Alara78
Well, I have to say that I didn't put a lot of time into it as I was turned off by the fact that it wasn't the same as before, so I couldn't really tell you if it's harder or easier then before.

Well come to think of it....it's harder, because now I have to learn the track from scratch.

Gonna try it again tonight.
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I meant the track, not the event itself.
I hate the Toscana track, too many elevations, the Lambo was too tail happy.
 
Alara78
I figured as much, but why doesn't that track change every time you play it ?

It was the same lay-out for months, and now all of a sudden it's changed....that's just wrong.
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It changed now, because after the patch, there is a new routine in the generator. From now on, it will stay the same again.. thats what i tried to say.
It changed once, because the code is diffrent..

It is just a generated track which is saved and used in this event. Just like you would generate one and use it over and over again in practice or what ever. It will always be the same.. until the routine changes.. then it will generate a new one...
just like now, after the patch. All previous tracks wont be the same if you load them in the generator..
 
Alara78
Well, I have to say that I didn't put a lot of time into it as I was turned off by the fact that it wasn't the same as before, so I couldn't really tell you if it's harder or easier then before.

Well come to think of it....it's harder, because now I have to learn the track from scratch.

Gonna try it again tonight.
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Are you having any luck with this 'different' layout track? I can't seem to get better than second......and I'm behind by about two seconds from first place.

It appears that you have to be either passing or already passed the Ferrari F40 just as you complete the long straight sections of this course.....otherwise, you have no chance......
 
Hi Everyone.

I too am in this position. I have golded everything in the you can gold in the game. Except, however, the Toscana Night Race. They HAVE completely changed the race course. Personally, I don't think that the games developers have really tested if it is viable for anyone to get 1st place.

Now, I'm not being a narcissist, but in on-line time-trials I generally finish in the top 260, I've golded all Licenses, I've golded every special event......so I'm pretty good at this game. However, after 4 hours yesterday trying to memorize the breaking points and playing around with entry points (no traction/traction 1 etc, abs 1, 2) every combination I could think of, I concluded that, even if I do get the Gold on this new course, it's just not fair.

I'm sorry but the average player stands absolutely no chance at all. Most players will cross the line at about 2mins to 1:55.000 To win the 1st place AI crosses the line at 1:49.000 This is too fast.

From what I gathered, I haven't seen one Youtube of anyone finish this race in 1st. To help, for what it is worth, here is what I could maybe help with.
1. At the first time check, you need to be at least 18.8 behind. By the midway time check, you need to be at least just 9.5-10seconds behind. If not, reload for you stand no chance. At the end of the long straight in the middle of the race is make or break point. If your driving line is turned on, you will notice a short breaking point before the tricky left right breaking sequence. DON'T BREAK BEFORE IT, enter at full speed and get the breaking point just right. You will shave at least 1 to 1.5 seconds off your time. After that drive like a maniac to catch the Ferrari up.

That's it, as I said, after 4 hours of practice, I only achieved a 1:50.5 (+1.5 seconds behind 1st place). If it gives you any hope, this is using directional buttons on the DS3. It's utterly impossible and the GT5 developers should be ashamed of themselves.
rhp82amman

p.s. If anyone has done it, please post a video, give us other a chance to copy :-)
 
Hi GT5ers,

WOW, just had another crack and I've done it.
Tips:
Automatic
Traction 1
Steering sensitivity 1: (if you use DS3)
ABS 1.

I've never posted on YouTube; I will set up an account and post everything I've done, licenses and Special Events.
Good luck,
rhp82amamn
 
Hi everyone, long time lurker first time poster.

Was looking everywhere on youtube for a golded new version of the Toscana event, to find any subtle tricks that could help me out, but couldn't find any at all. Only found the old version of the track. Got it though, after about 3 hours of attempts. The Murcielago's damn hard to control, but very fun to drive for the same reason. I'll post up the video in an hour or two when I get home. Would also love to see yours rhpamman82.

Settings used were manual gears, ABS 1, everything else off. I use a DFGT.
 
Tried this last night and the track just seems too short to have a chance to catch up. I guess I just need more practice, but after 4-5 tries I couldn't even get close. Nice to know it's possible.
 
Track has changed, and also the time necessary to get gold.

There is some vids on Youtube (before the last patch) with a time over 3:00.00 getting gold, and now you need a time under 2:48.00.

The difficult adjusment in this game is an unmitigated disaster, and the worst is that it is modified in any new patch.

Is completely out: in the same event you can find races very easy, and others extremely difficult.

And between events; there is some races in the amateur level more dificult that some in the extreme one...

And the test licenses... no coment.

In such a hurry to complete the game, Mr. Yamauchi forgot to test the gameplay.
 
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Hi guys,

this is the thread which I have been exactly looking for (I was about to start the same one :D) ! I golded almost everything in this game (therefore I'm not a bad driver) and yesterday I tried to gold this one. I also noticed that the track has changed after I watched a few videos at youtube.

I tried several hours and the best I could achieve several times was 2nd, 1-2 seconds behind. I found it impossible to gold this because I have no idea where I can go faster !

However, I will try your settings tomorrow ...
 
I have played the Toscana night race this weekend, average 12 hours total, I have all golds except for this one, mind you it is a fantastic event, but I find it as hard to gold, as a v.hard license challenge. I have shaved off tenths of seconds everywhere I can, but this whole lap of 2:48-2:49 MUST be played "perfectly" otherwise, it is tempting to continue for the sheer enjoyment of it, but one "false" move, and you're instantly in 2nd place with a finish of -4 or -5s. behind.

I have managed to best myself with 2:49:5xx , but this is still Not Good Enough.

The problem with this track lies not in the night, for everything falls into place it seems, except for the slowdown after the high speed straight. This is where I might "live" to hope to catch 1st, perhaps within 1 out of 25 restarts, and it is discouraging.

All aids are off, ABS is set to between 2 to 5, with no firm answer as to how to get Gold.

And after some three thousand restarts on Eiger Alpha, special, I will never get gold on that one either.

Perhaps I am starting to wonder, if there is something wrong with the unsupported Logitech G25 in the game that is causing undesirable results from what I think are still good clean runs. PD needs to either re-evaluate these 2 specials with the G25, or tone them down by 1s.

I love Toscana though, a lot of fun to slide through the top hill at 140 km/hr, blind except for the middle painted roadline in view.
 
Is it me or are there a lot more bollards on the new layout? Particularly those rows of 5 or so very close to each other.

Seems to me as though a lot of people complained that the headlights did not illuminate the course or track edges well enough, so they've made a new track with extra objects to define the edge better. (If they've done anything else, I'm not sure, I'll look for myself later).
 
Lambob
Perhaps I am starting to wonder, if there is something wrong with the unsupported Logitech G25 in the game that is causing undesirable results from what I think are still good clean runs. PD needs to either re-evaluate these 2 specials with the G25, or tone them down by 1s.
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Lambob, this is kind of off-topic (there is a separate thread about Eiger) but I don't think its the wheel. Eiger is a very tough track and once you figure out where you are losing time by watching some videos, you'll shave time off. Repeating the same lap over and over again won't help you. You gotta figure out your slow points. The trick with Eiger is getting the rear end to turn the car for you and coming in tight on each chicane to maximize the exit speed.

Now with this Lambo event, I am fighting the track. Watching the video posted on the previous page gives some inspiration that it is actually possible...but I use a wheel, the DFGT. The driving in the video looks completely reckless and the only place I see where time could have been gained was when he hit the 2nd place Ferrari attempting to pass. Aside from that it is a flawless lap hitting the throttle way before the apexes and burning up the tires.

I see evidence that they changed the time when the track changed. I wonder how much time they spent coming up with that new time or if it is just random based on the course length. I can tell you now, it is not something you are going to ace in under an hour. I have no problem getting silver but that lead car is just too far ahead to get gold unless you drive like a maniac.
 
Reading this thread there still seem to be some people who are not getting what has changed and keep referring to this as a "generated" track. That might be how PD originally designed the track, as is likely the case with the last race of most of the seasonals, but then that layout stands, and is the same for everyone. Point the OP is making is that at some point they completely changed the layout of this one, when people had got used to the old one.

So is it harder or easier? The lights were an issue before but people seem to be saying it's easier to see the edge of the track? I got silver some time back and had gold/first car in sight, planned to come back to this but now will have to learn it again! Still, i guess variety is the spice.

Will miss that long sweeping downhill left hander at the start though.
 
This isn't about being a bad driver or not, it's all about learning the track and how far you can push the car. It will take a lot of attempts, but practice makes perfect. Rome wasn't reached in one day ;)
 
That is likely to never happen. It changed when improvements to the course maker were changed. The old track likely cannot be created again, even if they wanted to.

I spent another hour on this last night and still can't catch that lead car. I have trouble seeing the 2nd half of the track (after the long straight). I can stay on the track and hit apexes, but I can't seem to link turns. I have enough trouble seeing the apex and exit of one turn, let alone the turn after it. I just can't figure out how to squeeze more time out of the left-right combos. i'm off pace by 2+ seconds.
 

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