GT Sport beta physics discussion - Read the First Post Before Replying
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Curiously, when I first played GT4 I played with traction control, not without. I don't think I appreciated just how good the physics were until I played the game without traction control. Before this, I actually though GT6 was the best in terms of physics, but now I'm not so sure. See, with the powerful cars in GT4, it was quite hard to launch them properly and it was highly rewarding when you did. That didn't happen in GT6 - the tyres were far too grippy for that. I am kinda annoyed that I can say that the cars in GT4 feel very good compared to GT6. It's a 12 year old game for crying out loud, it should feel that way. But it doesn't in this instance. It's very disappointing when you think about it if I'm honest, so I'm hoping the GT Sport physics are the best ever in a GT game. They have to be if I'm to enjoy my experience- and keep up with competition. Which they aren't really doing right now. Physics have to be polished at launch or I will not be happy.
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Because in real life it's not bumpy at all...Assetto Corsa and Project Cars both exaggerate bumps reactions and bumps FFB in my opinion.
Sometimes in a very weird way, the most extreme is in Project cars where cars begin to rebound themselves like they were passing over big bumps when the car is only loosing lateral grip ...
Look at the drivers helmet, look how much it's moving up and down. Race tracks are bumpy, GTS ignores that.
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Check the rear view mirrorBUT also noticed the cars look very smooth over the bumps so its not like you see the car moving up/down.
It should be ffb and camera movement simulating small bumps in games.. 💡
The only way the helmet moves is if the car moves as it's effectively attached to the car.
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Check the rear view mirror
The only way the helmet moves is if the car moves as it's effectively attached to the car.
Yes i know the car moves. Or then its just a case of over excited driver.
What i mean is that you dont see so much of the small jumping the cars body does even when it does. Thats why i think FFB and camera are key to immersion (and nausea) here. Unless one can make the playing chair jump..
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Mine does on my PC games.Yes i know the car moves. Or then its just a case of over excited driver.
What i mean is that you dont see so much of the small jumping the cars body does even when it does. Thats why i think FFB and camera are key to immersion (and nausea) here. Unless one can make the playing chair jump..
http://www.nextlevelracing.com/products/next-level-racing-motion-platform-v3/
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just shy of 4000€/$Mine does on my PC games.
http://www.nextlevelracing.com/products/next-level-racing-motion-platform-v3/
Assetto Corsa and Project Cars both exaggerate bumps reactions and bumps FFB in my opinion.
Sometimes in a very weird way, the most extreme is in Project cars where cars begin to rebound themselves like they were passing over big bumps when the car is only loosing lateral grip ...
Started to dive deeper into this issue of too smooth tracks. watched few replays just staring at the wheels and one can clearly see theres all kinds of small bumps - even on the main straight of the Dragon Trail. For some reason they just dont transfer that well (at all - like ZERO) to the body of the car nor FFB.
Cars body jumping might give a slight FPS issue (?), but connecting the wheel/tire movement on small bumps to camera and FFB shouldnt be a problem.More and more I have the feeling that some minor tweaks on GTS beta are watering down a great potential in the core engine. Deliberately?
..and yes - have been using the
emoji quite a lot since GTS beta released.
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GT5 physics were massively disappointing after GT5 Prologue, which had the best physics in any GT title IMO.
Only way to get rid of the persistent understeer in GT5 was the high front/low rear ride height bug, minimum LSD decel, and then add -ve rear toe if that didn't fix it.
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I actually felt that more in GT1, GT2 and GT3. In GT4 you can tune for different portions of the corner more easily. In the previous titles, there was massive amounts of front grip that needed to be tuned out. GT4 was more balanced.
It has been insightful playing all of the titles back to back like this.
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An actual example of this would help quite a bit.Assetto Corsa and Project Cars both exaggerate bumps reactions and bumps FFB in my opinion.
Sometimes in a very weird way, the most extreme is in Project cars where cars begin to rebound themselves like they were passing over big bumps when the car is only loosing lateral grip ...
Oh and yes it can happen under lateral load, it even has its own term to define it, stiction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction#Engineering
http://tech.dvosuspension.com/tuning/emerald/suspension-terms-definitions/#Stiction
http://www.elephantracing.com/techtopic/polyurethanefriction.htm
http://www.kwsuspensions.co.uk/kw/info/coil_overs/kw_competition/
Cars don't move up and down at Brands?BUT also noticed the cars look very smooth over the bumps so its not like you see the car moving up/down.
That's an entire race of them doing just that, Brands is notorious for it and its part of what makes the track so challenging.
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Its not exactly starange behaviour for cars running race suspension on bumpy tracks, with street circuits being even worse.
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Yes they move up and down, jump, go up and down hill. Lots of moving forward and sometimes even backwards.
Point was how it should be shown in the game and are the tracks smooth in gts or is it just down to car physics or FFB.
But anyway. Have to check wheel movement on brands from a replay.. As i recall even gt6 made The Ring feel more bumpy than GTS.
Cool race btw.. Was watching it for a while totally bumps unrelated. 👍
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Tracks are way to smooth in GTS my friend and it's hurting the driving experience in my opinion. AC And PC do it right in my opinion. The only track GTS got right with the bumps is the Ring, it actually has the best feedback through my controler compared to AC and Pcars. I really hope they add bumps to the tracks.Yes they move up and down, jump, go up and down hill. Lots of moving forward and sometimes even backwards.
Point was how it should be shown in the game and are the tracks smooth in gts or is it just down to car physics or FFB.
But anyway. Have to check wheel movement on brands from a replay..
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Yes they feel way too smooth. Im trying to find out if they actually ARE smooth or just FEEL smooth.
Not sure what you mean in the first part of your statement, the grass looks smooth but have bumps? IMO the reason the tracks drive so smooth is because they look smooth. There are no cracks or crack sealer, no coarseness in the tarmac at all it looks brand new
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I'm pretty close to Platinum on AC, so may pick PC up in the future... depends how good the next update is on AC, and how good the online is when they finally make private rooms part of the set up.
Stiction exists, yes. But in my opinion GT6 and GTS show it less than in RL (they should level up this), but AC and PC show it more than in RL.
In the chase cam is easier to see it for PCars, in AC it's more in the perception of physics and FFB than visual, and sometimes the vibrations into a corner begins and persists too much (in my opinion) after a real track bump ... but I understand if you disagree and if you think that in AC is very realistic.
Yes, I agree with you, GTS have to improve that a lot.
Very bumpy streets track there, 18 years ago.
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Ok, the tone of your post suggested that it should not be happening at all.
Now we will never know how accurate it is without knowing a huge number of variables, however at least one of the videos I posted shows it occuring to a degree greater than either AC or PCars.
It's one of many areas it needs to improve a lot on unfortunately.
And the two other videos from Brands Hatch?
One of which highlighted it occuring to a very largest degree.
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Until those that have no concept of preparation for a given corner are forced to grasp this and see the benefits by having to pass a test, then everyone lapping 2+ seconds per lap off the ultimate pace will have to accept these hooligans with no discipline.....because Sony doesn't want to lose sales most likely. I think ABS is a huge factor here too since it encourages complacency.
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Like @Haitauer i just couldn't stop watching that 2010 WTCC race! Could just not resist to learn something and taking it over to the console! Thanks for providing @Scaff !I was watching NASCAR last night. I never was into that kinda racing. Alright, i played NASCAR by Papyrus on DOS waaaay back in the days... but just for the graphics and to drive a car I guess.
So, as GTS "put the oval tracks into my focus"
i became more interested in it. Last nights race was fun to watch. Being new to this strategical battle at 200mph is crazy!! But a lot of fun! 💡
Looking forward to some NASCAR races online.
