GT-TV: why Youtube and the likes are not an alternative

My problem with it is that I don't want to "rent" those videos.

Yes, but I could only watch most of the GTTV videos once anyway. The Super GT video is great, but once you see it, you absorb all of that information, and watching it again and again would be boring. Top Gear is another story, however. But I'm sure there are ways to (illegally) copy the videos onto a DVD or something like that.

Legal or not, the "alternative" methods of watching videos like Top Gear is at least permanent.

Until the BBC files suit against either Youtube, BitTorrent, or other file-sharing sites. Viacom throws fits every time someone posts one of their networks' shows on Youtube, and while the BBC hasn't done that yet with Top Gear episodes, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they started demanding the videos' removal.

I have downloaded an episode of Top Gear in GTTV, and it puts Youtube completely to shame. Framerate, color, sound, and everything else is infinitely better than that little video box on Youtube. For $0.99, it's completely worth it in my opinion.
 
Why I cant watch gt tv after update I got japanese version of gtp ,when i click on gt tv there the network conection turn off:grumpy:,where I can find option translation please help.
 
you might understand that a car dealer won't give you a Dodge Viper for free, even if you use the argument that you can steal one for no money.
I agree with most you wrote in the original post, but using the "Piracy equals stealing" card is just wrong. When you steal something the original owner looses it, that's not what happens when you copy something, even if you don't have the rights to do so.

Imho, copyright piracy can never equal stealing.
 
In my opinion you can't really compare the price with renting a movie from a local videostore.

If you want to cover the same amount of customers/area that GT-TV does you need a lot of vidostores.
Every video stores has to have a copy of every GT-TV movie. You need staff in every store and equipment like PC's to manage them.
+ you need a central office to distribute all of the movies and keep track of sales.

This is all much easier to do with GT-TV and requires a lot less personnel to manage and maintain it, so less costs.
Thus, the prizes can be kept lower.
 
No offense, the Interceptor, but I can't imagine how you came to this conclusion.
Simple, really. Watch the GT-R legend movies in GT-TV on a HD-capable tv. Then watch them on Youtube. While in the game you think you're looking through a window and you simply are there with the action, the Youtube experience is a constant fight of trying to see details that are important.

Eh...not exactly your best analogy. YouTube is more like driving the Dodge Viper with dirty glasses and a bit of wax in your ears.
You missed the point of my example. "Getting from A to B no matter what" means that you just want to watch the video. You don't care about how, you just want to have seen the content. If that's your goal, you won't care how and where you get to see it.

Now, you as an E30 fan will agree that your experiences in a drive in your car from Madison to Appleton will differ from those you will get in a Smart CDI diesel. I take it you recognize the difference, and you'd rather use your car for it. You decision is based on the assumption that a drive in your car would be more enjoyable and more fun, simply because the quality of driving is a higher standard and suits your personal preferences better.

And it's just the same thing with those two ways of getting your video footage. They both work, and technically, the result is the same. But the process itself will be so much better with GT-TV that the overall experience differs big time.

Personally, I don't care much about the resolution or quality of full motion video, especially with something like Top Gear. I mean, the videography is fantastic and all, and it's nice to have the option of high-quality video, but it just doesn't matter to me if I can't see Jeremy's nose hairs or hear every click of an engine's tappets. The reviews, jokes, and spectacular shots (pixelated they may be) are all the same.
Not really. High quality video material always gives you a better experience in every way. It's not about seeting JCs nose hair or spotting the dirt on the not perfectly cleaned car in the studio. HQ material watched on a proper tv includes the viewer much more and therefore changes the way you watch and enjoy those videos by quite an extent. If you say you personally don't need that you're very welcome to do so, but still, you shouldn't think it's the same thing.

That being said, the concept of GT-TV doesn't sound so bad, but there will ALWAYS be alternatives. Even if someone doesn't like YouTube, there's always torrents. If you had made this topic "GT-TV: Why It's Worth The Money," you'd have a point.
But Youtube, just like Torrents, are illegal. Like I said in another thread, I am not trying to prosecute anyone for downloading Top Gear via Torrents. It's your life and your responsibility. I just want you to understand that even if everybody does it and it is widely regarded as the only way to get your hands on TG in good quality, it doesn't become legal. And more importantly, it is not even near a valid argument for Polyphony against the BBC to offer Top Gear without paying license fees.

I agree with most you wrote in the original post, but using the "Piracy equals stealing" card is just wrong. When you steal something the original owner looses it, that's not what happens when you copy something, even if you don't have the rights to do so.

Imho, copyright piracy can never equal stealing.
I understand your point, but in the end, it's still piracy. The fact that I'm not actually stealing a very object rather than making a copy simply is down to the nature of said object.
 
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Agree, but that doesn't change that their pricing scheme is still broken. For the amount they charge, I should be buying the show, not merely renting it.

And worse, today I checked GT-TV to see if they've re-added the new content, and sure enough they have. But it appears a lot of episodes are split into two videos, both of which you seemingly have to pay for individually. I may be wrong though.

Can someone who's bought a 2-part episode of something confirm whether you have to pay for both parts individually, or whether the price of one covers both parts?
 
Agree, but that doesn't change that their pricing scheme is still broken. For the amount they charge, I should be buying the show, not merely renting it.
I'd like to use this statement to make one thing very clear: I am in no way a fan of them charging us money for this whatsoever, and I'm even less a fan of us just renting instead of buying the viewing rights. I like Prologue and I don't regret spending 40 Euros for it at all. But thinking that GT5 will be something like another 60 Euros, I feel like I have spent enough money on this incarnation of Gran Turismo, so I don't want to be charged for extra content. Therefore, I think it's them that should be paying the legal fees with the money we already gave them, instead of charging us again.

That said, I still stand by my introductory points. Nevertheless, I think I have given them enough money for offering us things like these for free. if they say they only use the money for improving the product, I am fine with that. But obviously (and not only judging by the reactions to their latest update), there still are a lot of bases to be covered, and from my past experiences, I severely doubt they will all be covered. To me, it seems like this is the beginning of milking the cash cow Gran Turismo, and turning the fanbase into a huge wallet you just need to reach into to earn millions. This doesn't sound like car enthusiast Yamauchi anymore wanting to share his love for cars with us, this sounds like though business and making fans pay for being fans.

So ... GT-TV: yes please! Charging us for it: not so sure about that...
 
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I'd like to use this statement to make one thing very clear: I am in no way a fan of them charging us money for this whatsoever, and I'm even less a fan of us just renting instead of buying the viewing rights. I like Prologue and I don't regret spending 40 Euros for it at all. But thinking that GT5 will be something like another 60 Euros, I feel like I have spent enough money on this incarnation of Gran Turismo, so I don't want to be charged for extra content. Therefore, I think it's them that should be paying the legal fees with the money we already gave them, instead of charging us again.

That said, I still stand by my introductory points. Nevertheless, I think I have given them enough money for offering us things like these for free. if they say they only use the money for improving the product, I am fine with that. But obviously (and not only judging by the reactions to their latest update), there still are a lot of bases to be covered, and from my past experiences, I severely doubt they will be covered. To me, it seems like this is the beginning of milking the cash cow Gran Turismo, and turning the fanbase into a huge wallet you just need to reach into to earn millions. This doesn't sound like car enthusiast Yamauchi anymore, wanting to share his love for cars with us, this sounds like though business, and making fans pay for being fans.

So ... GT-TV: yes please! Charging us for it: not so sure about that...
I can understand why they are charging for GT-TV, even in Prologue. But while I might be willing to pay for an episode of Top Gear or Nurburgring 24h, I think PD is slightly crazy to think I'm going to pay for a Ferrari infomercial. Stuff like that should be free for christ's sake.

On a similar note, I'll be extremely pissed if PD charges for any additional cars or tracks for Prologue, considering that they'll most likely be in the full GT5. I wanted to pay for a taste of GT5, I didn't want to buy the same damn game twice.
 
As in many other subjects concerning Gran Turismo, I think it would help if PD came forward with an official (or even unofficial) statement. But as always, doors are closed and lips are sealed, so I'm afraid they're gonna have to live with the opinions we fans make of the things we're offered. I love the idea of GT-TV, but if it turns out to become as expensive as it seems right now, I can only hope it will either be free of charge / become cheaper one day or fail spectacularly. I'm okay with paying some money for getting exclusive content, but it should be only raised once, and it should be pretty cheap.
 
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As in many other subjects concerning Gran Turismo, I think it would help if PD came forward with an official (or even unofficial) statement. But as always, doors are closed and lips are sealed, so I'm afraid they're gonna have to live with the opinions we fans make of the things we're offered. I love the idea of GT-TV, but if it turns out to become as expensive as it seems right now, I can only hope it will either be free of charge / become cheaper one day or fail spectacularly. I'm okay with paying some money for getting exclusive content, but it should be only raised once, and it should be pretty cheap.

Honestly, I think it will fail financially. I think PD will have no choice but to lower the price down the road.
 
Your right.

It is only 99c and nothing in this country is that cheap anymore. I gotta admit i havn't seen anything im dying to watch though. I guess we will get more later.
 
What I've noticed is that they charge you for both parts of the episode which is rather stupid. Like anyone is going to watch half the show. I was really hoping GT wouldn't go down the road with the other money hungry games but I guess I was wrong.
 
What I've noticed is that they charge you for both parts of the episode which is rather stupid. Like anyone is going to watch half the show. I was really hoping GT wouldn't go down the road with the other money hungry games but I guess I was wrong.

The price listed below each part ($0.99 or whatever it is in your region) is for both parts.

The listing is confusing, but I tested it - buying (or renting, rather) one part gives you the right to download and watch both.
 
The price listed below each part ($0.99 or whatever it is in your region) is for both parts.

The listing is confusing, but I tested it - buying (or renting, rather) one part gives you the right to download and watch both.

really? Huh, that very confussing.
 
I'm going to like it because of the fact that Youtube just shows snippets of really good parts, but as for GTTV, they will show the whole episodes/races and it'll be great . In full HD. Can't get any better than that. What's there to complain about?. (o right, the actual game play)LOL
 
Ya that is confusing, good to hear that one payment means you get both parts.
 
I find it amusing that people read Pay Per View and think that they are paying to own the videos.
This is exactly what I expected, its essentially like the On Demand sevices you get with TV companies.
 
I find it amusing that people read Pay Per View and think that they are paying to own the videos.
This is exactly what I expected, its essentially like the On Demand sevices you get with TV companies.

Still doesn't change the fact that at the regular prices PD is charging, we should own the content.
 
Still doesn't change the fact that at the regular prices PD is charging, we should own the content.

What? 69p? (I think? Ive not checked myself, Im going by what people have said here) Thats a good price! Need I point to the video rental prices that have already been mentioned in this thread? And those are for 1 night rentals, this is for 2 weeks! Its a bargain in my opinion, but I suppose everyone was crazily optimistic in their expectations again, despite PD regularly advertising this feature as a pay-per-view function, and not a shop.
 
What? 69p? (I think? Ive not checked myself, Im going by what people have said here) Thats a good price! Need I point to the video rental prices that have already been mentioned in this thread? And those are for 1 night rentals, this is for 2 weeks! Its a bargain in my opinion, but I suppose everyone was crazily optimistic in their expectations again, despite PD regularly advertising this feature as a pay-per-view function, and not a shop.

Isn't that just the temporarily discounted price though?
 
Isn't that just the temporarily discounted price though?

Yes, but I dont see the price going that much higher after that, depends how well the content sells first, enough has to be bought so that they are making a decent profit but not enough that they feel they can milk it and up the price, then we will see only a small increase in price.
Even if it was raised to £3.50, thats still for 2 weeks rental....still better than a DVD rental.
 
I dont get why people are saying is ok to pay 69p for a FREE program (Top Gear). Not just that, you only get it for 14 days!

I'll admit, there is more to GT-TV than just Top Gear which I can get on BBC iPlayer, Dave, and the internet (not just youtube) for free. Also, when watching it on Dave, its the same as watching it on BBC2, but with ads.

With regards to other stuff, when you pay for it, it should remain YOUR property. Just like where people were using cars as an examples, im going to do the same.

When you go to a dealer and pay for a car, the car is your to keep FOREVER, and you can do ANYTHING you want with it (although some things like speeding are illegal), that includes driving it into a brick wall or setting it on fire (obviously only on private land).

So I ask WHY cant we do that with the stuff we pay for on GT-TV. Im not too fussed about transferring the data to my PC, I can understand Sony/PD on that front with regards to pirating it, but why cant I keep it when I paid for it?

I know someone will bring up the analogy of renting a movie and saying its the same. However what I am saying is why can we only rent them? Why cant we buy them???

They could easily make it 69p to rent, and £1.50 to buy and keep forever.....simple!

However, when it comes to most things (apart from GT-TV exclusives) I'll take the "free" route, and no that does not mean youtube. You can easily obtain DVD quality programs off the net.
 
I dont get why people are saying is ok to pay 69p for a FREE program (Top Gear). Not just that, you only get it for 14 days!


They could easily make it 69p to rent, and £1.50 to buy and keep forever.....simple!

Hypocrisy much?

I dont care about Top Gear...Ive seen it already...so Im not going to buy it. No one is forcing you to buy them, thats the beauty of DLC.

Why are you using cars as an example? Its simple, this is exactly like the pay-per-view service you get with Virgin Digital On Demand and many other TV providers, you pay to watch a film or TV programme and then the viewing expires after a certain number of days. Or its just like going to Blockbuster and renting a film, except for a far superior price and, crucially, for much longer!

oh, and the reason you cant buy them I believe has already been covered - it may be because they are worried about piracy. But I get the feeling we will be able to buy them eventually anyway.
 
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I dont get why people are saying is ok to pay 69p for a FREE program (Top Gear). Not just that, you only get it for 14 days!
Top Gear isn't free. Have you heard of the TV license? That is why people in the UK can watch it on iPlayer, and people outside the UK can't.

You also argue with yourself, but Ardius has pointed that out.
 
In full HD.
Can anyone confirm that Top Gear comes in full HD? As far as I know, the North Pole Special was the only Top Gear footage yet that was shot in HD.

I dont get why people are saying is ok to pay 69p for a FREE program (Top Gear). Not just that, you only get it for 14 days!
You tend to forget that it's free for you. Not the whole world lives in the UK. And not even for you it's actually free, you pay for it via your tv license.

With regards to other stuff, when you pay for it, it should remain YOUR property. Just like where people were using cars as an examples, im going to do the same.
Well, you can buy a car for big money or rent one for small money and a limited amount of time. Same thing really.

They could easily make it 69p to rent, and £1.50 to buy and keep forever.....simple!
That however would be something I like. Why not say "pay 15 Euros and watch all the the Top Gear you like forever"?

However, when it comes to most things (apart from GT-TV exclusives) I'll take the "free" route, and no that does not mean youtube. You can easily obtain DVD quality programs off the net.
... illegally.
 
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Hey just want to say that when I bought part one of the best motoring show the other was included free.

And it was great!

I don't know, to be honest 69 pence is bugger all, and even when that doubles its less than a pint! For over an hour of footage! Whats the problem people!
 
I think it's an idea to get used to. Let's just to see where it goes after the prices will go up, and what kind of footage they'll offer in the future. In one way or another, this will surely sort itself out.
 
I've bought a couple of pounds worth of movies from GT-TV, but will not purchase anymore unless I can keep them forever, I'd even be prepared to pay double the price.

There are already enough limitations on playback thanks to only being able to watch the movies when using GT5P on the PS3, there's no need for the 14 day limit, IF a reasonable £1.50-£3 price is attached.
 
I agree with the interceptor that HD content on a HD TV is so much better than you-tube video set to full screen on a computer.

I know you can download shows like Top Gear in high quality Divx format, then just transfer the file to the PS3. A little bit of work but not to bad and the video quality is definetly acceptable.

I will use GT-TV to rent programs like the Ferrari Factory tour and the 24 Hour Race coverage. As far as I know, these are programs produced by PD and only exist because of PD. I think these programs will be great in all their HD glory and deserve 2 bucks.

I have a HD TV and I'm sure some folks with a PS3 don't. I hope PD offers a discounted SD download like PSN video store.

About the car review programs, I won't be purchasing the GT-R and EVO programs as I have already seen them for free (thank you PD). I will consider future car reviews based on the car and activities. I wont get any sit down interviews with designers and such, but a in-car view of a lap on the Nurburgring in a new car is very tempting. Who wouldn't pay 2 bucks to view a lap in the ZR1 or new Scuderia 430?
 
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