GT4 holdup! = HDD problems?!?

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You know how GT4 was planned to be released awhile back? I think the "making it better by adding more stuffs" is just a cover up. I said this because PS2 apparently is hving problems regarding HDD. They gave me a survey if I want to pay for new cars, tracks etc. Therefore, GT4 is trying to figure out if they should use the HDD, charge the consumers for dlc's etc. Although all this r just rumors, its starting to smell fishy. Especially if it would take GT4, 3 yrs to be finished. hmmm ........ What do yall think?
 
There's no definite source but i just figured this out because of the survey and ppls commets on the playstation Gran Turismo Message Boards. But here's an example of the survey i received.

PlayStation is interested in enhancing our Online Gaming Program. Assuming your favorite online game costs around $39.99, and requires no subscription fee, please give us your feedback on the following improvements.


1)How do you feel about the idea of enhancing your favorite games by downloading additional content?


Like very much


Like


Neutral


Dislike


Dislike very much





2)How would you feel about purchasing additional content with an online token-based currency? For example, you would purchase a pack of tokens (credits) online in fixed quantities, then use these tokens to buy additional content like new cars, weapons, characters, levels or missions.


Like very much


Like


Neutral


Dislike


Dislike very much





3)If, for example, you were playing your favorite racing game online, what is the most you would feel is a fair price to pay for:


A) an additional character/racer?


$1


$3


$7


$10


Not Interested





B) an additional tuner/modified car part(s)?


$1


$3


$7


$10


Not Interested





C) an additional vehicle?


$1


$3


$7


$10


Not Interested





D) an additional track?


$1


$3


$7


$10


Not Interested





E) a new color/paint job?


$1


$3


$7


$10


Not Interested





4)In the past, you spent time playing to progress through levels in a game. How would you feel about purchasing the right to unlock content you would normally play to obtain (stadiums, weapons and characters, etc.)?


Like very much


Like


Neutral


Dislike


Dislike very much
 
Where'd the survey come from? SCEA? Can any other members verfiy it?

Until that time i'd say this is rubbish. If it's proven otherwise i will take the necessary action ;)
 
i hope they dont do it. Not that many ps2users have a hdd and beeing forced to buy one just to be able to compete with people who have the (better) downloadable cars would suck imo
 
thats what im thinking. it would make online gameplay unbalanced, giving rich ppl advantages over those who cant afford such things.. Also, why wouldn't PD release GT4 back then and just release another game, say GT4-2? that has all the improvements(like photo thing), so they would make more profits. You know what i mean, money speaks louder than words. Therefore, i really think that the hold up is because of HDD problems and pay per download. And the survey is real, no joke, just go to playstation.com message boards.
 
I don't mind the idea of downloadable content but I'd never pay for it, besieds the downloadable cars won't be better than everything in GT4, just different. Anyway the problems PD were having wasn't with the HDD but with the online races, but at E3 KY said in an interview that they've sorted thoes problems out.
 
You should not have to pay extra for content.....you have already forked out £40 for the game and another £20 or so for the network adaptor.....then you've got to get the "mythical" hard drive plus your monthy broadband......thats already enough to pay!!!

Playstation should take up what xbox have done with Live.....pay a fee that allows you access to all content for 12 months.....I think stuff like extra splinter cell missions were free on xbox.....stuff like that (correct me if im wrong.....I'm a ps2 guy ONLY! :) ).

I hope that PD don't think that they can leave lots of stuff out of the game just so you have to then go and buy it from them.....that would really piss me off! :grumpy:. U will be able to tell this when another 40 cars and 15 tracks amazingly appear like 1 day after the launch date on playstation online!! :lol: :lol:

Basically......GT4 should have the most it can provide on the actual disk......THE ONLINE OPTION IS NOT A SUBSITUTE FOR THE CONTENT OF THE GAME DISK!!!!!!!! I hope that developers don't start getting the idea that they can leave stuff out and make you pay for it later!!

Robin
 
JaNsTa00001
2)How would you feel about purchasing additional content with an online token-based currency? For example, you would purchase a pack of tokens (credits) online in fixed quantities, then use these tokens to buy additional content like new cars, weapons, characters, levels or missions.
I'm calling BS on this. This is a quiz about GT4 right?
 
I would pay more money to have the BFG9000 in GT4... I could then strap it to my Speed12 and kick some real ass?!

Maybe I could also pay to change the colour of the drivers hair too.... I wonder if they've realistically modelled the hair in the wind aspect when the roof is down?!

C.
 
It's not a quiz about GT4, it's questionaire about PS2 online with the HDD.
 
I don't think the quiz is directly aimed towards GT4, just games in general for playstation. It says, "While playinig your favorite racing game".... This could even be Auto Modestella or whatever. It doesn't say While Playing GT4...I don't think it's BS. Even still, I don't think it's HDD problems either.
 
robin2223
Basically......GT4 should have the most it can provide on the actual disk......THE ONLINE OPTION IS NOT A SUBSITUTE FOR THE CONTENT OF THE GAME DISK!!!!!!!! I hope that developers don't start getting the idea that they can leave stuff out and make you pay for it later!!

Robin

Unfortunately the world is turning to the 'low cost up front, pay out the ass later' idea.. From cell phones, to bank services, to credit cards, to membership fees of a gym / country club, the trend is now to intice people with a low upfront price, with tons of hidden costs to get what you really want.
 
live4speed
It's not a quiz about GT4, it's questionaire about PS2 online with the HDD.
According to JaNsTa00001, it is a questionaire about GT4. Questionaire, quiz, you knew what I meant. JaNsTa00001, did you get this in the mail or e-mailed it or what?
 
I would say bad wording from JaNsTa00001 but no harm done by it :), but it's not a GT4 questionaire.
 
its a survey. i got it as an email. Hopefully, most ppl who got this survey would say no to thosse stuffs because paying for dlc's is ridiculous. and triple play it might be directed to GT4 and other upcoming PS2 games that will utilize the HDD and is online. I can see Sony implementing these on GT4 for extra profit. But like I said, its only a survey and Sony may still or still not implement the pay per download. And live4speed thx for clearing that up. Now i kno that its not problems regarding the HDD and pay per download that held up the release of GT4. ONCE AGAIN IT WAS A SURVEY AND NOT A QUIZ. sorry 4 the mizunderstanding
 
i cant send it to u coz its link and u hve to be a memeber of playstation underground to access it. Im not even suppose to tell u guys but i thought that their plans were so bs that u guys deserved to know about it.
 
I would pay $$ for more cars and tracks. I've had GT3 for how many years? We were'nt offered GTC or GTP! I'd GLADLY pay for them to extend gameplay rather than wait 3 yrs between releases.
 
I think you'll find the survey is likely to be aimed more at the PS3 rather than PS2. Notice it talks about 'Playstation' not any specific platform.

The PS2 HDD is only a tiny step into online play for Sony. The PS3 is the platform that will be a true online console.

Sony are not stupid, they carry out these survays to judge what people are prepared to pay. Whether it is through a subscription or whatever.

If I paid £30 for GT5, I certainly would be prepared to pay £5 every few months for significant updates and extras. a PS2 magazine costs £5 these days!
 
i don kno because the HDD did cost $100(how much does that cost in european?). Its not merely an accesory that came with the ps2( i.e. Ilink). So having no plans of using the HDD is really a waste of money for those who bought it and a bad marketing scheme by Sony.
 
The last time I heard the HDD was not available in Europe.

As I said the PS2 online plans are very limited.

The coming Christmas is likely to be the last major push for the PS2 in Europe, Japan and the US. After this Christmas the PS3 will be Sonys focus. PS3 will be abuilt with online plans from the start.
 
The advantage of this sort of DLC is that they DON'T have to release a new game. It's far, far more profitable for Sony to release a full games' worth of DLC rather than release a whole new GT. Now, I'm sure we'll see GT5 - i'm not saying we'd just sit downloading cars and our whole lives. But I would fully expect to see cars, tracks, parts, etc available for download approximately 3-5 months after release (right when the more casual players are ready to move on.)

PGR2 followed this plan. They released a set of downloadable tracks and cars on Xbox Live for $5. I bought it, hundreds of thousands of people bought it. Sony looks at this - the Bizarre people had to do what, code a couple more cars and a track? No fees for creating discs, no marketing campaign, no retail distribution strategy - probably took 3 weeks to make the cars and it's an instant $500,000 in the bank. Xbox Live and the new PS online system aren't for gaming - it's a new distribution channel. Now, 3 weeks later, they release another new pack for PGR2 - another 5 bucks. (Not from me this time, but from the data it looks to be selling well.) Obviously there are diminishing returns here, but this trend is a major focus for game companies.

And Jaguar - I don't mean to single you out, but Sony will definitely not be losing focus on the PS2 ;) Their estimates indicate at least 2/3 of the PS2 sales (hardware and software) still remain. This Christmas will be a big PS2 push, as will the next one, and probably the next one. They would rather see a smooth overlap of console generations rather than the huge cycles we see now - keeps shareholders and accountants much happier. The software companies also see sales continuing on the original PS, and many are unhappy they moved their dev teams to the PS2 so quickly. Expect to see many hire new devs rather than cut into their old teams until 2006 or so.
 
Downloadable content? Paying for it? Sounds like a case for Captain Search!

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=44750

Just like magic.

Interesting survey, I get the feeling the results of anything now will be the food for focus groups for a while yet before anything actually gets implemented.

I'm looking forward to getting to spend real money to get pretend money to buy pretend things - they better bring real enjoyment.
 
I wouldn't pay for downloadable content. Sony shouldn't be releasing half a game and expecting you to pay to download the rest. They probably will do it with PS3 but they shouldn't. Arrggh!
 
One point that nobody seemes to be mentioning is that new cars come out all the time. I'm sure that PD will pack the DVD (or maybe DVDs?) as full of cars and tracks as possible,as KY has stated his desire to make GT4 the ultimate racer for the current generation of home consoles. A year from now wouldn't you like to be able to add some new cars that did not exist at the time the game was issued? I know I would. Hell, maybe a year from know they will be able to get the rights to whatever exotics they don't have available now (Porsche, Ferarri). I'm sure there are going to be ways for people to trade cars, so it could be an interesting feature for sure, as long as the price is halfway fair. Some new tracks wouldn't hurt either, to keep the game fresh. The bottom line is we'll just have to wait and see...
 
Eagle
I'm looking forward to getting to spend real money to get pretend money to buy pretend things - they better bring real enjoyment.

Genius comment this is!!

C.
 
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