GT4 Must have this!

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McLaren F1GTR
There weren't any reverse lights either. 👎
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lol. that's true...
i don't really care about nuetral crap and clutch crap. whatever crap.
it'd be cool, if there was actual clutch... and GT Pro Froce came with 6 speed gear shifter... THEN there would be heel to toe! whoohoo!
 
JW31
lol. that's true...
i don't really care about nuetral crap and clutch crap. whatever crap.
it'd be cool, if there was actual clutch... and GT Pro Froce came with 6 speed gear shifter... THEN there would be heel to toe! whoohoo!
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...............umm i think you mean heel AND toe.......
but yah it'd be awesome if GT had a clutch..... but dont count on it till GT5+
 
If they made starts where you could false start, then it`d make sense to have neutral, so you could rev your engine before hand. And it would be cool to have starts like that, but other than that.....
 
Awaji Islander
If they made starts where you could false start, then it`d make sense to have neutral, so you could rev your engine before hand. And it

Brilliant point when you can false start like in F1 04 the intesity of the start is so high compared to the gt system. sitting on the line holding the perfect amount of revs one hand on the shifter hoping you nail the start do you risk it and attempt to go early ( this system would requitre one of gt4p 's 10 second penalty if you jump the start) or do you wait cautiously and get blown by the other 5 cars it adds an elment of excitment to the race
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Dude you need to get yourself a real sport car so you can actually do some realistic driving. cuz it's like real life, Don't you think? Come on man I don't think that the GT series is 50% close to real life yet. We'll have to wait untile GT10 to see that happen. Not untile they have clutch that actually work like real car does then I will bump up that 50% to a 60 - 65% range. I still think that the GT series is the far best racing simulator ever, but not close to real life yet. So untile next time class, JUST BE HAPPY THAT GT4 EVEN EXIST! UHH OOOMKAY. oomkay class.
 
naruto
Dude you need to get yourself a real sport car so you can actually do some realistic driving. cuz it's like real life, Don't you think? Come on man I don't think that the GT series is 50% close to real life yet. We'll have to wait untile GT10 to see that happen. Not untile they have clutch that actually work like real car does then I will bump up that 50% to a 60 - 65% range. I still think that the GT series is the far best racing simulator ever, but not close to real life yet. So untile next time class, JUST BE HAPPY THAT GT4 EVEN EXIST! UHH OOOMKAY. oomkay class.
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true but since gt4 is delayed till 1st quarter 2005 in australia ive got nothing to but discuss all the little insignificant bulls*** that hasnt al ready been discussed
 
ya, i was thinking it would be good if your car STARTED in a braked neutral, just so that in order to get moving, you have to change gears. or if they dont want to do that jumping the gun, they could make it so that you dont have control over the shifter until the light turns, so right when it turns, then you can shift, so they dont ahve to restart the race or give you a penalty.
 
Famine
Wouldn't work.

While the engine is disconnected from the wheels it requires a constant input of fuel to keep it at tickover. With the engine connected to the wheels and with no throttle input, the wheels drive the engine and no fuel is used at all. The best way to save fuel is not to have the car in neutral, but to have it in gear and not use the accelerator.
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The trouble with leaving it in gear is that it doesn't coast nearly as well, so you'll lose more speed than if you were in neutral. Of course, if they have a proper fuel usage system, we will be able to test both these theories and use them each accordingly.
 
Hmmm. I've driven on courses in real life many times. Not once did I ever dream of putting the car in neutral in the middle of the course. I can't see why I would need that in a video game either.
 
Sven
The trouble with leaving it in gear is that it doesn't coast nearly as well, so you'll lose more speed than if you were in neutral. Of course, if they have a proper fuel usage system, we will be able to test both these theories and use them each accordingly.
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Indeed. But next time you're braking to a halt, leave it in gear until the last possible moment (which you should do anyway, but most of us don't) and watch the fuel savings. Trust me.

Unless you're maxter - in which case do whatever the hell you want. If you're not particularly concerned about saving a bit of money, that is.
 
This is reminding me of something "CobraGT" kind of touched on. It seems from some certain posts, this is a way to challenge the "Real Driving Simulator" statement. If it isn't something about reverse lights, car damage, or any stuff like that, this is actually something new to the table. But as you may well know, we often tend to question the "Real Driving Simulator" deal associated with Gran Turismo.

The last game I can remember playing that had neutral was my copy of Need for Speed SE (the first NFS Special Edition, mind you). In fact, you have to remember to shift up to 1st Gear before you start a race. Because if you're stuck in neutral, you can admire the scenery, be in last place, lose time, and maybe look at all the race queens. And in NFS1:SE, you had to upshift to 1st even if you were racing in Auto. And if you downshifted, you go into neutral. Will this happen in GT4? Maybe. Maybe not. I won't be crying my eyes and peeing in my pants and have to have my freaking diapers changed if it doesn't have it.

Thanks a lot, now you got me hooked on REVERSE LIGHTS of all things, especially from the GT haters.
 
Famine
Wouldn't work.

While the engine is disconnected from the wheels it requires a constant input of fuel to keep it at tickover. With the engine connected to the wheels and with no throttle input, the wheels drive the engine and no fuel is used at all. The best way to save fuel is not to have the car in neutral, but to have it in gear and not use the accelerator.
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Famine I think the only cars that work that way would be petrol electric hybrids.
In my driving experience all the cars I have driven feel as the engine keeps firing and thus using small amounts of petrol when coasting with the driveline engaged.
I suggest that not putting petrol into the engine whilst it is turning would cause the spark plugs to oil up. Also compression braking would be very noticable on a engine being deprived of fuel.
Do you have proof I can read or is it a opinion based on your observations.
 
Famine is right. It is called: cut off system. When your car is not in neutral and you don't push the clutch in, you will save petrol, the engine doesn't use fuel at all. I saw it on Topgear and red it in a manual.
 
I agree with famine except for the point that you have to burn some fuel when coasting/slowing with the transmission engaged. But it is much lower. This technique also gives you greater control of the car while slowing. It's good for possible emergency lane changes, etc.

Oh, and as I said before. There is no need to have neutral in GT4. As JohnBMO1 stated, in the games that had neutral it was a hassle. GT4 is sure to have enough annoying stuff in it without that. I'm not bashing GT4 in anyway, but there are always things about a game that are just plain annoying. Like in GT3, you can't change settings on the 2 player's garage. Makes no sense to me at all.
 
maxter
A three pedal setup with clutch function in the sim would be great though... as an option... for those who want to turn it on/off depending on the realism they wish to encounter.

Having spent my fair share of time on the track driving competitively, I have yet to race a complete race without using the clutch...
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I think I clutch would be great as well, especially for the launch during a drag race. From what I understand, using the clutch is a way to indudce a slide for drift competitions as well.

As far as your last statement goes, during an autocross event, I launched in 2nd gear and stayed in second throughout the entire run (2nd gear will take me up to 75mph), does that count? :lol:
 
Famine
Wouldn't work.

While the engine is disconnected from the wheels it requires a constant input of fuel to keep it at tickover. With the engine connected to the wheels and with no throttle input, the wheels drive the engine and no fuel is used at all. The best way to save fuel is not to have the car in neutral, but to have it in gear and not use the accelerator.
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THIS IS TRUE.

Injector duty cycles fall to 0% when you are in gear and coasting, until the engine reaches idle rpm. Then the ecu gives it fuel to keep idling.
 

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