GT4 vs Forza [Let the battle begin]

[I6-4-eva]

GT and Forza aint got nutthin on http://www.hexatechracing.com/

 

[Lapdog]

Those screens have got nothing on GT4, especially at 1080i, but regardless overall they look nowhere near as good.

 

[NoBoDy_X]

Nürburgring Forza Motorsport 👍

Nürburgring Gran Turismo 4 👎

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WARNING: Forza Fanboy writing here (me) the foilage on Forza's shot is full and lush similar to that of the Nordschleife, the color is off due to the time of year the team went down and grabbed details... (i.e. GT4's "grassy" appearance on many of their tracks, rare but real) watching a video and comparing, it showed me that the concrete strip of the Karussell is accurately depicted in GT4 where as environment is given to Forza... however both appear accurate (from screens) in terms of the track details itself. That first picture of Forza (2%) is killing me, I cannot for the life of me match it up... At first (judging from mini-map) I thought it to be the Wehrseifen corner... but then noticed the other "strip" of track below it on the mini-map... can someone match up that corner please? Oh, and overall, from what I've seen as far as real world tracks, I have to say, Forza takes the key with it's details (minor as it may seem to most people, as far as what has to be rendered, it is a pretty big difference...)

 

[James2097]

That is a SUPER unflattering GT4 shot. And contrasted by some of the best images I've seen of Forza so far. GT4 is always gonna come off 2nd best if there's no actual CARS in shot when taking a comparison... fanboy post.
I can't work out why people are still trying to convince us to buy just one of these games. Thats so not gonna happen. As much as it would be convenient (for my bank account) to hate Forza/GT4 and find continual fault, the reality is I'm gonna have to pay out for two driving games this year... I'm sure any open minded person who has played both games agree 100%.

 

[the Interceptor]

For comparison: here are two real life shots of the same corner. I apologize for the poor quality, but they were taken out of videos. Despite the wrong angle (incar shots), if you compare them to the game screenshots you'll see that the pic from GT4 looks much more like it, whereas the Forza pic looks good by itself, but not like the real deal. And I'm not talking about the different position the car in Forza has. What I am referring to is the scenery.

Now where is Audemard, I'd like to know his view on these piccies.



Cheers,
the Interceptor

 

[Dave A]

So some of the trees are brown instead of all green, different time of the year maybe. Thats the only noable difference I'm seeing in thoes pics.

 

[the Interceptor]

So some of the trees are brown instead of all green, different time of the year maybe. Thats the only noable difference I'm seeing in thoes pics.

If you'd ask me to describe the game shots I would say that the Forza shot looks like the Karussell in a computer game, and the GT4 shot looks like a computer rendered picture that is supposed to imitate a real picture of the Karussell as good as possible.

 

[danno30]

Xbox can suck it...poorly designed, the dvd drive busts like once a month, and you wont be seeing games like GT4 on there....ever. Enough said. Yeah yeah yeah Forza is going to be great looking, but is it going to be as good as the heavyweight champion of all racing games...? I think not.

Funny you say that the xbox dvd breaks all the time when I bought a new slim ps2 in December and it broke 35 days later. Just stopped reading games and dvd's. Luckily it was still under warranty and had it replaced for free.

A couple of my buddies weren't so lucky though. They bought their ps2's at different stores and in different cities and both of the units stopped working a little over a year later. Of course they both called sony to have them repaired but the rep. told them that it would cost them money. Almost as much as buying a brand new console. They bought a new console alright, they bought the xbox.

 

[Swift]

For comparison: here are two real life shots of the same corner. I apologize for the poor quality, but they were taken out of videos. Despite the wrong angle (incar shots), if you compare them to the game screenshots you'll see that the pic from GT4 looks much more like it, whereas the Forza pic looks good by itself, but not like the real deal. And I'm not talking about the different position the car in Forza has. What I am referring to is the scenery.

Now where is Audemard, I'd like to know his view on these piccies.



Cheers,
the Interceptor

That was an excellent comparison. And proves that GT4 and Forza are aiming for different audiences. GT4 is going for authenticity, especially when it comes to real tracks. Forza is going for big name cars and damage. As I and others said about 100 pages ago...They are aimed at different audiences.

 

[Dave A]

I stongly dissagree, both are very realistic sims, both are on different consoles, both are their own game. Forza's audience will include all the sim lovers that GT gets, it'll be a wider audience since it has more tuning and online too but they both are after the same thing.

 

[Swift]

I stongly dissagree, both are very realistic sims, both are on different consoles, both are their own game. Forza's audience will include all the sim lovers that GT gets, it'll be a wider audience since it has more tuning and online too but they both are after the same thing.

Hmm...well I think GT4's audience is wider for the sheer fact that GT has a history and reputation. And that there are more PS2's sold then Xbox's.

If Forza and GT4 were on the same console(wouldn't that be slick? ) then I would agree. However, just being a sim doesn't mean that they are targeting the same people. Forza has damage, and while cool and part of driving, will NOT be realistic. I've seen the damage clips, it's just ridiculous. Damage usually isn't put into sims for this reason. On the other hand, I don't like the fact that I can go flying into a wall at 150 and keep on going in GT4.

Also, GT4 is targeted toward car and driving enthusiasts. Not just people that like to drive. But people that truly enjoy cars and driving. This is obvious by the number of cars in GT4 and Photomode.

I'm not raggin on you bud. I just believe that they are games of similar basis, aimed at different gamers.

 

[danno30]

I also think that forza is going after the same sim loving crowd. Why wouldn't they? If forza is successful they could possibly have forza 2 ready for the xbox 2 launch which is supposed to be christmas 05. A year earlier than ps3. If that happens I think forza can gather quite a following.

 

[tseramed]

For my part, I played the Forza demo some time ago too. It was great and I enjoyed it although it really felt like an unfinished product, and it was one. I just sincerely hope they changed the physics engine a little bit because I didn't like how it felt even with the assist off. Felt weird... pretty hard to describe. Sincerely I will certainly buy forza although I still have to get an X-box...

As for the graphics part, yes Forza seems to have better graphics. Although in my opinion they are tipical Xbox-PC graphics. GT4 seems to have an atmosphere at each and single track you go. The graphics in GT4 seems warmer in a way. Just check those Nurburgring pics of Forza, yes they look awesome! But they don't give you the REAL atmosphere of the track.

Also I found it weird how some people around me went: " Oh my god you saw you can have a driver driving for you in Forza to do the endurence and all.! " or is it just me or somebody should really plan a race in NYC passing in time square as it seem develloppers really would like to race there...?

Anyway as I always say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Pretty much the same with these two games... Nether will be a bad game but next game will be even better 👍

 

[akak]

Audemard Those comparisons are ok but the gt4 pic your using is very outdated the track looks much better now

Id say gt4's looks quite a bit better, not bad for the old ps2

 

[Driftster]

If GT4 would have been on the X Box it would have been the Racing games to end all racing games, but it wasn't. Poly was limited to the PS2 which is why the game ended up like it did. There's no denying GT4 didn't have the potential to be a stupifying game, but it was stuck on a lack luster console. I'll be waiting on Forza, with or without the Online play (which is a HUGE plus might I add) It's a more astheticly pleasing game so far, yes just from screen shots. But remember, that's all the GT4 fanboys had to go on for sooo long too.

 

[akak]

And too add more fuel to the fire more GT4 ingame nurb shots

 

[akak]

If GT4 would have been on the X Box it would have been the Racing games to end all racing games, but it wasn't. Poly was limited to the PS2 which is why the game ended up like it did. There's no denying GT4 didn't have the potential to be a stupifying game, but it was stuck on a lack luster console. I'll be waiting on Forza, with or without the Online play (which is a HUGE plus might I add) It's a more astheticly pleasing game so far, yes just from screen shots. But remember, that's all the GT4 fanboys had to go on for sooo long too.

had the potential? GT4 is about the best racing game around right now

 

[kinigitt]

had the potential? GT4 is about the best racing game around right now

no. not the best racing game by a long shot.

the racing is boring. I've at 25% and apart from the driving missions there is no challenge whatsoever. The A.I. frustrates me to no end.

BUT...

the game is so well-made, has so many good tracks and cars and a stupefyingly good wheel that it doesn't really matter.

now if there were online...

 

[wolf8218]

I think akak is completely clowing Audemard right now. I hope he doesn't start crying from the shots he just posted.

 

[wolf8218]

no. not the best racing game by a long shot.

the racing is boring. I've at 25% and apart from the driving missions there is no challenge whatsoever. The A.I. frustrates me to no end.

BUT...

the game is so well-made, has so many good tracks and cars and a stupefyingly good wheel that it doesn't really matter.

now if there were online...

Face it, ANY driving game will be like that. If the AI is frustrating you that means you need more practice, so you are kind of contradicting your own statement. Have you seen Egghead's movie of the AI in Forza? He was racing in Laguna Seca and came to a complete stop, and instead of passing him, the AI just stopped right behind him. Now talk about frustrating AI.

 

[Driftster]

http://www.forzacentral.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=12

Don't know if you can view them...you should be able to though.
Another thing, I stumbled upon another GT4 vs Forza debate/debacle and they brought up a good point. There's a picture of a tuned Ford GT doing 280+ mph...If it's a real driving simulator, how can a tuned ford GT do excess of 280 mph. That's not very real is it?

 

[akak]

Depends i havent tuned a gt40 yet, though seeing as a stock mclaren f1 can do 240 mph i dont think its totally impossible for insanely tuned gt40 too do 280mph on a really long straight track like the test course

 

[bmw5150]

OOOOh 2 extra cars. I'm shaking in my little space boots.

I want more games with huge grids like toca 2 on consoles.

I couldn’t agree more.

 

[kinigitt]

Face it, ANY driving game will be like that. If the AI is frustrating you that means you need more practice, so you are kind of contradicting your own statement. Have you seen Egghead's movie of the AI in Forza? He was racing in Laguna Seca and came to a complete stop, and instead of passing him, the AI just stopped right behind him. Now talk about frustrating AI.

have you played both games. play them.

I didn't say FORZA had better A.I. (though it does, even in the demo), I was saying that there are much better RACING games out there, which there are.

I don't need practice, the A.I. is just retarded. I don't have any problems pummeling them with an evenly matched or even inferior car, so shut it.

 

[robbo6]

I'm a GT fan but looking forward to Forza a great deal. But the shots of the Karusel (sp?).....the GT version looks WAY more realistic...Forza reminds me of an arcade games interpretation of a real track...all colour full and bright and shiny. In fact 'd go so far as to say it looks awful.

 

[robbo6]

I don't need practice, the A.I. is just retarded. I don't have any problems pummeling them with an evenly matched or even inferior car, so shut it.

Actually..."pummeling the Ai" is what I would call "retarded". Try learning to race properly without hitting the Ai, it's on the racing line for a reason, and that reason is the same reason ALL race drivers stick to the racing line in reality. It's the fastest route through a corner.

 

[the Interceptor]

more comparison screenshots:

Note that the brownish look of the real shots is due to the video and the daytime.

Cheers,
the Interceptor

 

[akak]

more comparison screenshots:

Note that the brownish look of the real shots is due to the video and the daytime.

Cheers,
the Interceptor

hey top marks for finding the real corners! gt4 nurb really does look very good and natural( i think this is what forza lacks in general)

 

[kinigitt]

Actually..."pummeling the Ai" is what I would call "retarded". Try learning to race properly without hitting the Ai, it's on the racing line for a reason, and that reason is the same reason ALL race drivers stick to the racing line in reality. It's the fastest route through a corner.

*loud groan*

by pummeling, I meant totally whipping them on the track (driving cleanly I might add)

they take the racing line, but they also do stupid things as a result of their simplistic programming, like smash into each other on straights when there's plenty of room to drive AROUND opponents, or hammer into your car when you try to drive past them nicely.

the only time I have trouble winning is when the A.I.'s car totally outclasses mine, like in the classic race series that had the Buwicked car totally trashing everyone else, including my lowly cougar XR-7

 

[Dave A]

Actually..."pummeling the Ai" is what I would call "retarded". Try learning to race properly without hitting the Ai, it's on the racing line for a reason, and that reason is the same reason ALL race drivers stick to the racing line in reality. It's the fastest route through a corner.

If you reall think the AI in GT is good go home now, it's utter crap. As for your complete misquote of what kinigitt said, thats just shameful because he never mentioned hitting other cars.