Nice post SVT. Just 1 thing about GTR.... Simbin never went to each individual company. They just went to the FIA GT board and got the license from them. BTW, the arcadey physics is just 95% of the EA line-up. EA have made sims, and they've been topped as some of the greatest sims ever, 1 Nascar one described as the "ultimate track racing experience." It was much more realistic than GT4 or Forza could be, even if it did go in an oval.