GT5 DLC future, and the full switch to GT6

[GT55YW]

If you have looked at GT5's DLC, now it does not offer the combo pack. So, adding everything up comes to 21.96 or something like that, just over 20.00 USD claimed on the XL edition box.

This makes me think about games like Forza and Call of Duty (and maybe others) that offer passes or similar things that give deals towards DLC. If you are not familiar, one can pay a set amount of money now in a 'pass' to get more value later on.

Here you go, Call of Duty, here is my 30.00 USD. Call of Duty then releases 50.00 worth (they establish value, obviously) of DLC through one, or multiple batches. The pass buyer is then entitled to all, or something previously decided, of the DLC. *Just an example, I don't know the details, and I didn't want to research how F4 does it because it will just start complaining.

Does it worry anyone else that we have not had this for GT5? I know Kaz kind of just does whatever, and makes up his mind and changes things whichever way he likes, and surely no one would be happy if they were told 15 new cars, and they were given that first DLC. I mean, without looking back, not a single one was an actually new vehicle other than maybe a Kart.

Our more recent DLC only had one new vehicle, and it's rather similar to the Golf in engine and, well, everything else besides a transfer case maybe. (200kg I think)

We all know GT5 DLC will stop, and switch to full GT6 production. I say that it will stop rather than slow down because if the family is so small, how split can they be when developing a game and trying to model cars. So I infer they have 75% on DLC, and 25% working on designing the GT6. Then DLC will stop, people out modeling vehicles and other things I don't know about, and full production for GT6 will start.

Is anyone else worried about what we have left of DLC, and if they are not going to expand their team, do we really want them working so hard to make TC editions of our already cars, and just giving us new editions of couple year old cars (Golf, Cooper S, GT-Rs, so on) over developing GT6?

I know 6 should go much more smoothly than 5, but if it takes half the time of 5, that can be 2.5 to 3.5 years. That's half as long between 4 and 5. I'd rather they start sooner than later.

 

[Cosbuster]

Why would they have two different teams modeling cars? My guess is that they're modeling as much as they can for GT6 and release a small percentage of those for GT5.

 

[GT55YW]

Why would they have two different teams modeling cars? My guess is that they're modeling as much as they can for GT6 and release a small percentage of those for GT5.

Where did I say they have two different teams modeling cars? Maybe the part about people modeling cars for GT5 DLC stopping to work on GT6 wasn't clearly written.

Modeling cars is not the only aspect to developing something like Gran Turismo, if that's what you are implying.

 

[Cosbuster]

Modeling cars is not the only aspect to developing something like Gran Turismo, if that's what you are implying.

I wouldn't be surprised if the major difference between GT5 and 6 is just content like GT3 and 4. GT5 is a good game and doesn't require an overhaul, just refinement and loads of content. Seeing how PD has been listening tothe community so far, the probably know as well and are working on it.

 

[GT55YW]

I wouldn't be surprised if the major difference between GT5 and 6 is just content like GT3 and 4. GT5 is a good game but inconsistent and lacks loads of content, hopefully PD knows as well.

3 is pretty far from my memory, as I only played it a little. I consider myself starting from 4, but I don't remember 3 and 4 aesthetically being similar at all. Physics and a lot of detail I couldn't say, but visually and design wise I thought there was a pretty decent difference. I didn't like 3, but 4 was amazing, so I am hoping 6 is huge jump over 5.

I still greatly enjoy 5, I'm just hoping that's how good 6 is.

 

[analog]

Our more recent DLC only had one new vehicle, and it's rather similar to the Golf in engine and, well, everything else besides a transfer case maybe. (200kg I think)

Actually it had 2 brand new additions, both Volkswagens, the Scirocco which you are referring to I presume but also the Golf VI, ofcourse it's a further developed/heavily facelifted version of the Golf V in real life but to an extend that it required to be completely remodelled from scratch for the game, the interior is completely different and it's a 5-door as opposed to the 3-door Golf V already in the game.
Let alone that it drives completely different being 4wd.

Both the Mini and the GT-R could be argued to be mostly technically different from the cars already in the game and therefor not really full new additions to the series but alterations of existing cars.

 

[GT55YW]

Actually it had 2 brand new additions, both Volkswagens, the Scirocco which you are referring to I presume but also the Golf VI, ofcourse it's a further developed/heavily facelifted version of the Golf V in real life but to an extend that it required to be completely remodelled from scratch for the game, the interior is completely different and it's a 5-door as opposed to the 3-door Golf V already in the game.
Let alone that it drives completely different being 4wd.

Both the Mini and the GT-R could be argued to be mostly technically different from the cars already in the game and therefor not really full new additions to the series but alterations of existing cars.

Between the amount of Golfs we already have as front wheel drive and all wheel drive, I would rather have a new RUF than another all wheel drive Golf. Where did you learn that the Golf was a ground up build? Even if it was, then the Scirocco is a bit of a wash because it's only difference is body style, losing rear wheel drive, and maybe a little suspension for the weight difference.

And if you are going to go into both of them and make a list of the interior difference on design or whatever, that's a waste. I know there are people who value the interiors of the vehicles, but slightly changing two and calling them new vehicles is not realistic to me. The Scirocco is just a sport model of the Golf. VW didn't want to bring it to the US, at least not yet, because it would just take Golf sales.

You can argue that the 01, 03, 05, and 10 Golfs are really that different, but that seems like a waste. Maybe if the 01 was the last model made, or it was the first awd, and we didn't already have one, I could see an argument. This makes four, and it might as well be another Miata.

You can try if you want, but I would bet a LOT of money that this community, let alone GT5 users in general, would rather have one of the many other vehicles we already have (RUF, Veyron, whatever) in premium, or a new vehicle we don't already have three of. And I'm not counting the 76? ish model, because that makes sense. Jumping 30 years makes sense...not a new one every 3 or so years.

EDIT:You can argue the GT-R and Cooper S are technically different from the cars already in the game? I am not sure if you mis wrote that or not.

There are 32 Nissan GT-Rs that are all wheel drive. 32. That's just from Nissan, and that is only all wheel drive. You really want to argue that a 40th+ GT R is a new car? Or that our 4th Cooper S is a new car? I know the aero for the new GT R is supposed to be great and all, but that isn't new. It's a year or so different from what we have, but a waste of PAID DLC. And the Germans haven't changed the Cooper too much, I'm sure of it.

 

[omgitsbees]

I wouldn't be surprised if the major difference between GT5 and 6 is just content like GT3 and 4. GT5 is a good game and doesn't require an overhaul, just refinement and loads of content. Seeing how PD has been listening tothe community so far, the probably know as well and are working on it.

I don't think it's going to be quite like that. I would be surprised if it was because i'm making a number of assumptions here. 1.) GT6 isn't going to be on the PS3, it'll be on the next Sony console, and 2.) it's going to be a good 3 - 4 years, maybe more, before it comes out. Which kinda goes with number 1 anyways, but still.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Oh please don't turn this into another Forza vs Gran Turismo thread! Especially when it comes to DLC, it's just stupid.

EDIT:You can argue the GT-R and Cooper S are technically different from the cars already in the game? I am not sure if you mis wrote that or not.

There are 32 Nissan GT-Rs that are all wheel drive. 32. That's just from Nissan, and that is only all wheel drive. You really want to argue that a 40th+ GT R is a new car? Or that our 4th Cooper S is a new car? I know the aero for the new GT R is supposed to be great and all, but that isn't new. It's a year or so different from what we have, but a waste of PAID DLC. And the Germans haven't changed the Cooper too much, I'm sure of it.

Have you actually driven them?

Also: New model = New car

 

[SuperShouden]

It sounded to me like the DLC models for GT5 are pretty much completed except maybe the 2011 SEMA and Pebble Beach winners. (Which I suspect there's gonna be a GT Award Winners pack with the 2010, 2011 and 2012 winners from Pebble Beach and SEMA. That's 6 cars which is on par with what they have been releasing.

 

[GT55YW]

We'll never see a Gran Turismo that's a "huge jump" over it's predecessor, the formula will stay the same with some refinements here and there as it's been doing for years. The biggest jumps you'll see will be thanks to new hardware when it comes along making the game look and sound better but the core will remain.

As for 4 being better than 3 well GT3 was made from scratch for the PS2, a brand new platform at a time when developers didn't know it's full capabilities and how far they could push it, GT4 was released around a year before the PS3 came out so PD would have had a lot more knowledge of the PS2 by then and could pack as much content in as the hardware allowed as well as stretching it's graphics capabilities as much as possible, technically speaking the two were pretty similar.

So here's my opinion of why GT6 won't be this giant leap that people are hoping for; If it's released for PS3 then the core of the game will be no different as the PS3 has been pretty much stretched as it is with GT5, what they do have though is plenty more disc space to play with (although I don't fancy the idea of a 25gb installation on my HDD) which means the game remains the same but the volume of content in the game could possibly be a lot higher, personally I would be quite happy with that, all premium cars, more events, tracks etc and the little half-arsed things in the game like racing modification and aerodynamic parts sorted so that it's actually worthwhile having them there. If it's released for PS4 it will be made from scratch, apart from maybe the premium cars but even they might need upgraded a bit to fall in line with the new hardware capabilities, so what you'll get is a game which will be technically better and look a lot better but it will have less content than GT5 does. Unless that is they release GT6 5 years into the PS4's life which will be in around an estimated 7 years time, then we might see a huge leap between GT games but with the criticism PD and Sony got over GT5's long development time I don't see that happening again.

I played GT4 from a few months after release until the December after GT5 was released. I would love it if GT6 came out on this platform, at least we have something to do for the ages it will take for the next gen GT. I mean if GT5 works as a good gauge, if they took half of what they have learned from us, mixed with outside reviews, what worked well for Forza and if there's anything to learn from nfs games, drop that into their own knowledge from development and what they want to do, I would think GT6 would be a huge leap. Playing GT3 to GT4 seemed like 3 was a game/sim put together. Then 4 was their 100% best effort to make the greatest game of all time(not saying it is, but that it was their very best they could do for that moment in time).

In my mind, I think at the point Kaz looks at everything and gets ready for GT6 development, he can say -This is everything we did wrong. This is everything we did right. This is everything we need to do. - And they can make another fantastic game. I love GT5 and it isn't a bad game and it's still my favorite game since I've had it, it just hurts a bit when it seems like SO much could have been different, the same way it seemed from 3 to 4. Maybe 6 will be next platform, maybe not, I just hope it goes the way it works out in my head.

 

[omgitsbees]

In game development, especially when millions of dollars are being thrown around, knowing what you did wrong, and actually being able to correct those mistakes, are two completely different things. It's pretty obvious at least that PD knows where they messed up royally on GT5. But can they redeem themselves with GT6? I hope so! But we'll have to wait and see. Honestly, Polyhony COULD get GT6 out in the fall of 2013, that would be two years since development started. I doubt very much that will actually happen, but I suppose anything is possible.

 

[GT55YW]

In game development, especially when millions of dollars are being thrown around, knowing what you did wrong, and actually being able to correct those mistakes, are two completely different things. It's pretty obvious at least that PD knows where they messed up royally on GT5. But can they redeem themselves with GT6? I hope so! But we'll have to wait and see. Honestly, Polyhony COULD get GT6 out in the fall of 2013, that would be two years since development started. I doubt very much that will actually happen, but I suppose anything is possible.

Assuming the world doesn't end in 2012, what is that significance of the fall 2013? You were talking about next gen release, but isn't that four or so years away? I basically only follow GT/PD, not even Sony...so I know close to nothing about what goes on in video game world. I only heard of Nintendo releasing some console that is played on the remote control, but the remote control is used to play on screen or something. A usual Nintendo product that has a multiple uses and endless possibilities...for mario kart and pokemon.

 

[omgitsbees]

Actually, my math is terrible, this fall will be 2 years for GT5. I think we'll have the next Sony console in 2013 by Christmas. I would be really surprised if Sony and Microsoft do not answer Nintendo with their next consoles. Nintendo will have the Wii-U out this year, but that is neither here nor there.

My point is, if PD were to release a GT6 on the PS3, it would have to be this year. Or early 2013.

Of course do we even want GT6 on the PS3? Especially with a new console on the horizon once E3 2012 hits? Because once Sonys new system comes out, you can bet Sony will drop support for the PS3 right away.

 

[GT55YW]

Actually, my math is terrible, this fall will be 2 years for GT5. I think we'll have the next Sony console in 2013 by Christmas. I would be really surprised if Sony and Microsoft do not answer Nintendo with their next consoles. Nintendo will have the Wii-U out this year, but that is neither here nor there.

My point is, if PD were to release a GT6 on the PS3, it would have to be this year. Or early 2013.

Of course do we even want GT6 on the PS3? Especially with a new console on the horizon once E3 2012 hits? Because once Sonys new system comes out, you can bet Sony will drop support for the PS3 right away.

Well how long was the wait for PS3 after it was first unveiled? I mean to my knowledge, there hasn't been one word about the PS4. I am sure they have spoken about next gen, but I have only read the time line of four years or so. And thinking about how long it was between "Hey look, we're making a PS3" to actually seeing them on a store shelf seemed like a very long time. I know they want to beat XBOX again, but I couldn't see Sony being worried about Nintendo. N is more about in house things...Mario remakes, Pokemon, Super smash brothers. Not hating on them, it just seems like they have a different target audience then Xb/Ps. If Kaz and his team wanted to, I could see a grand GT6 being out before 2014. By the Christmas 2013 we could have it, no doubt in my mind. And I would think the soonest we see actual PS4 possibilities would be E3 2013. I couldn't see them already having it set for this year, one would think there would be more buzz about it. But hey, I'm not in those loops, so they could release it tomorrow, and it could be in stores next month and I wouldn't know unless they put it in the paper or I saw a really long line at Wal Mart lol

 

[Patrick]

The PS4 and new Xbox are expected to be announced at E3 this year.

 

[GT55YW]

The PS4 and new Xbox are expected to be announced at E3 this year.

Where do you get expected? I don't mean it personally...but do you expect it, or does the gaming community expect it? Do you have articles or press releases or anything? I just haven't heard word one-not saying it doesn't exist, just I am not wise to it.

 

[Patrick]

Where do you get expected? I don't mean it personally...but do you expect it, or does the gaming community expect it? Do you have articles or press releases or anything? I just haven't heard word one-not saying it doesn't exist, just I am not wise to it.

Practically every game related website is expecting it, but I have no idea. If not this year, then certainly expect announcements in 2013.

 

[GT55YW]

Oh please don't turn this into another Forza vs Gran Turismo thread! Especially when it comes to DLC, it's just stupid.



Have you actually driven them?

Also: New model = New car

Yes, now I have driven the "old" Cooper S to the "new model" out.

I did 18 laps between the two. I started with the 2011 Cooper S, completely standard-not a single mod after receiving it from a ticket. In, and to the race.
After I completed nine laps, I bought the 2007 Cooper S. Jumped straight in, and did the same nine laps over again. Exact same conditions, no mods whatsoever, and did it the same way.

ABS-1
All laps done in free run/time attack from the Practice Icon.
The first track I forgot to turn tire wear on, so for the first three laps with each vehicle, tire wire was OFF. Laps 4-9 for each vehicle had tire wear ON.
Real grip was always enabled. The ONLY DA was ABS, both driven as standards, and in C:S-the tires provided.

Trial Mountain
---2011------2007
-1.55.329---1.53.312
-1.54.461---1.52.908
-1.54.730---1.53.312
Grand Valley Speedway
-2.32.408---2.31.368
-2.28.774---2.30.450
X2.31.605---2.30.764
Laguna Seca
-1.56.781---1.57.699
-1.55.438--X1.54.821
-1.55.281--X1.58.322

The times see to be pretty close. Of course, you should do your own testing, as mine could be flawed in some way I don't see. The X's signify races where the lap was not validated. I am pretty drowsy, and the last two laps on Laguna I cut the last corner a hair too much. I thought that red box was part of the run off, but it's not. I guess all four came off the track, but it didn't really affect time.

The differences I noticed between the two were that the newer model seemed to have a bit more pick up and go. On the Speedway the straights were not as fast as with the 07 compared to the 11. But then I could just add the hp to get it there if I wanted. Also it felt the 07 was easier to position. I could make it do what I wanted, and was more friendly for me to drive and handle aggressively, while the 11 felt like it didn't want to do what I told it to. In real life that would be good, but it seemed kind of stiff and uncooperative for my liking.

Then again it could all be mental. But that's it, if you have any other questions on my times or whatever, feel free to ask. But I still wish I was driving a new model. Not a model we have three of already, to see how important the new changes BMW made over the past four years.

Did a quick glance online, and all I find is a few more horsepower, which one can feel in game. Thanks PD.

 

[eran0004]

Yes, I would love touring car editions of all cars in the game. Especially if their performance is somewhat equal. A stock BMW M3 and a BMW M3 touring car, or a stock Mercedes C63 and a C63 touring car would be like the difference between day and night... who gives a damn if there already are stock versions of the cars when the touring car versions are new?

Edit: And regarding the 2011 Mini, it is pretty much the same car as the 2007 version. But why is that such a tragedy? On the positive side, most of the modelling work was already done, so it's like throwing in one extra car for free. Great, I imagine, for those who own a 2011 Mini in real life... It's the same with the Mazda MX5, it's probably one of the most popular sports cars in real life, and if you could have the same version in game as you have in real life, then why not? If PD have the basic model already, and just tweaks it a bit according to the different specs, it's not as time consuming as creating an entirely new model. Sure, they could remove the, say 100, "duplicates" from the game, but that would not give us 100 new cars, it would rather give us 100 less cars, and I can't see how that would make anyone happy.

 

[Imari]

And regarding the 2011 Mini, it is pretty much the same car as the 2007 version. But why is that such a tragedy? On the positive side, most of the modelling work was already done, so it's like throwing in one extra car for free.

Oh great. So when that car pack was advertised as 4 cars, what they actually meant was "3, and this one that's basically the same as one you already have".

It's not like throwing in one for free. It's like being lazy and doing the bare minimum of work required to satisfy marketing laws.

 

[Ryan81]

Oh great. So when that car pack was advertised as 4 cars, what they actually meant was "3, and this one that's basically the same as one you already have".

It's not like throwing in one for free. It's like being lazy and doing the bare minimum of work required to satisfy marketing laws.

LMAO Or, it could be "2, and these two that are basically the same as the ones you already have" (including the GT-R) But to be fair, I'm being a little silly there since the GT-R Black Edition does have significantly more hp than the '07 version.

 

[GT6mebe]

Oh great. So when that car pack was advertised as 4 cars, what they actually meant was "3, and this one that's basically the same as one you already have".

It's not like throwing in one for free. It's like being lazy and doing the bare minimum of work required to satisfy marketing laws.

I am sorry, it might just be me but isn't dlc OPTIONAL. They can throw out there whatever they want....its is your choice to buy it or not.

 

[mrkevans]

At least pd actually make new dlc and then release it, unlike some games where they hold back on content created at time of release so they can sell you it as dlc a few weeks later, codemasters and turn 10 do this all the time! It's a con as its content that should have been in the game from start, unfortunately this seems to be the trend at the minuet and is only going to get worse with having to purchase online passes too.

 

[Akwaaba]

Haven't the sales for GT5 been very good, and the DLC also pretty good? I do think that GT5 was released with insufficient content - in terms of not enough premium cars, and not enough tracks, and then lacking the sheer number of race categories. (I still think that they should have included a race creation tool - see one of the threads I started for a poll and discussion about this ... https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=236662)

The gap between GT4, to GT5P and then to GT5P meant my expectations of GT5 weren't met.

However, since GT5 was released, the regular improvements and regular additional content has been good. Most seasonals have been entertaining, and have given the opportunity to keep things challenging (if i don't use the best possible car that qualifies),

With respect to DLC - delighted to have another track - but that I paid for it, and don't get much use over that those who didn't pay for it will make me think twice before buying another. Now that is disappointing, I wish I could make more use of it, especially over than those that paid for it .. as long as you want to race a car with less than 750pp anyone can enjoy Spa right now, nothing so bad about that, but what is the incentive for buying the next track pack? Disappointing use of this extra track ... so far, very pleased got it as a seasonal, but another track pack will probably now only sell to those who are keen to support PD, or who are completists or cause it'll come with cars you can't get elsewhere?

And as for the suits & helmets, included in the complete package otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. And the paints, suckered in to getting another lot of paints to get yet another car - sure I'll use them.

But what i'm really interested in is cars, and the DLC has been very disappointing. The first car back ... karts, great but not so interested, another Red Bull is okay ... and its interesting but I really would have preferred the effort put into that to have been focussed on something I'd have been more interested in, and then made up touring cars (most of which are Japanese!). And as for the second car pack, only 4 cars wasn't really good value.

And so, I'm hoping the next DLC will be fantastic - i) I'd like at least 2 great tracks that I can use, and so ii) that means adding an event/race creation tool, and then iii) I'd also like some more premium cars - ideally European, but wouldn't mind a few more American, a mixture of old and new, of street and racing.

And at some point - I'd like more cars that can have racing modifications (with more options for the livery)

Although I have the Stealth and Chromeline cars (apart from the XJ13) - I think that these should be released as DLC - most collectors editions & signature editions are sold out, and I think quite a few people would like to have these to complete their car collections (which means their should be another DLc pack for the other cars that have been released, such as the Camero SS Edge .. which I can't get cause I'm in Europe!)

So DLC will probably continue right through to the release of GT6, but I do think that GT6 will be a PS4 game ... but in the style of PD, that a prologue will be released first.
But maybe sales of GT6 or GT6P will be a little disappointing unless PD appear to have a more considered long term way of communicating with their custmers, and with arranging updates, seasonals (we shouldn't have suddenly lost so much content) and with DLCs (car pack 1 should have had a better range of cars, car pack should have had more cars).

Having said all of that, I do enjoy GT5, initially disappointed with the amount of content, but generally very pleased with the progress PD have made since ... but I do think that the strategy with respect to DLC has been questionable. This area needs to inprove, to keep the fanbase happy.

 

[finnracer]

^^ 2 posts up says it all, 4 cars for £3.20 isn't the best value I agree but holding back content at release is just stupid and abuses the purpose of DLC in the first place. It's so players can add new content to their game to improve and add to it for a smallish extra cost, not a way of ripping people off just so a company can make a bit more money than they already do.

I felt really ripped off when Dirt 3 (codies) decided to finish releasing the game while I was playing it around week after release on the condition that the £40 I had already paid for it would most likely be doubled!!

I'd even go as far to say maybe this type of DLC is something trading standards need to look into.

 

[Imari]

I am sorry, it might just be me but isn't dlc OPTIONAL. They can throw out there whatever they want....its is your choice to buy it or not.

Oh, I agree completely. That's why I didn't buy it.

I'm just saying that you can't justify the Mini as an extra that they threw in for free when you're PAYING for all four cars. Whether people like it or not, it's a lazy choice. Whether that's still worth your money is personal opinion.

 

[omgitsbees]

Ironically, the best "DLC" PD has given us, have been free, the GTR race car and Toyota were both really good cars that I drive regularly since they were included in patches. The Toyota was a completely new car too, and one that no other racing sim has yet.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

LMAO Or, it could be "2, and these two that are basically the same as the ones you already have" (including the GT-R) But to be fair, I'm being a little silly there since the GT-R Black Edition does have significantly more hp than the '07 version.

That's not a new car though, that's just changing the stats and re tweaking things in the game to make it work. If one isn't to believe that the VWs were already modeled then that is why PD needed the time for this car pack I suppose.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

If PD have the basic model already, and just tweaks it a bit according to the different specs, it's not as time consuming as creating an entirely new model. Sure, they could remove the, say 100, "duplicates" from the game, but that would not give us 100 new cars, it would rather give us 100 less cars, and I can't see how that would make anyone happy.

YES. Fully agree with that. Apart from (somewhat) artificially bumping up the car count I don't see how having/adding similar models does any harm really, because if they didn't include them that certainly doesn't mean that a completely different car could have been made in the same time frame.