GT5 Online Racing Etiquette

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I have to agree with one of the YouTube comments: "this should be a required video to watch when you sign up for iRacing", only replace iRacing with "any racing game."

What irritates me is 1) senselessly passing on every corner whenever possible and 2) purposeful blocking/hogging of the track. I just had a Beetle (DLC one) knock my McLaren F1 off the track as I went to pass him - talk about a poor sport (and an almost "WTF learn to drive 🤬 hole!" moment).

This I why I wish games expanded more for offline players (yes, even your annoying shooters like COD), mostly because online is just FULL of morons with a rare few who are respectable/remotely respectable. I like to drive in free run rooms, but I'm scared :censored:less of driving the X2010/Veyron in fear of being kicked and the Beetle/Kubelwagen/Schimmiwagen/Fiat 500/etc. in fear of being punted across the track constantly.

I see the point of online, but for the average person wanting a quality race, it's just a paint in the royal 🤬.
 
ghsnu
I have to agree with one of the YouTube comments: "this should be a required video to watch when you sign up for iRacing", only replace iRacing with "any racing game."

What irritates me is 1) senselessly passing on every corner whenever possible and 2) purposeful blocking/hogging of the track. I just had a Beetle (DLC one) knock my McLaren F1 off the track as I went to pass him - talk about a poor sport (and an almost "WTF learn to drive 🤬 hole!" moment).

This I why I wish games expanded more for offline players (yes, even your annoying shooters like COD), mostly because online is just FULL of morons with a rare few who are respectable/remotely respectable. I like to drive in free run rooms, but I'm scared :censored:less of driving the X2010/Veyron in fear of being kicked and the Beetle/Kubelwagen/Schimmiwagen/Fiat 500/etc. in fear of being punted across the track constantly.

I see the point of online, but for the average person wanting a quality race, it's just a paint in the royal 🤬.
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On a side note, how did a Beetle manage to take you out?
 
7Sins
I think the number one gripe for me online is that other drivers try to pass at all costs. This means passing on a corner that would otherwise knock the lead car out of the way or other drivers trying to drive neck and neck on an extremely narrow part of the track (Think Rome Circuit's Straight that eventually becomes quite narrow). I hate when drivers do this. I try to pass only when/where appropriate and don't care if I don't win but I love a tight race. Sometimes, coming second but putting heaps of pressure on the lead car can be a very satisfying race.
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This.

The biggest issue is people being way to aggressive when they try to pass or they get pass / see you coming up behind them. people will drive it in as hard as they can just to try and pass you or they will just run straight into you. People also try to past in some of the worst sections. I have been taken out plenty of times in some of the worst passing spots on nurburing gp/f and Suzuka. I also love the people that try to block you when you are going about 20 mph faster and when you finally get passed them you have trouble leaving them cause of the slip stream effect that magically makes the car 2x faster. It's very hard to find a good public room, and I don't really think a point system like what was stated above would work.
 
I NEEDZ MORE SIMRACING DRIVING SCHOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Practice isn't enough and GT5's licenses are far from being educational.
 
The whole debate on ways to correct online play is a great discussion. The bottom line, there really is no easy way to fix the system as humans will be humans. The larger percentage of GT5 players are casual players that would be against harsh penalties. I just wish PD would cater to both casual and hardcore players by splitting server options.
 
NjLowrider
People love to hide behind the internet and they do and say thing here that they would never do in real life. Gt5 online is a spill over from that. Its impossible to avoid just by hopping into lobbys. I just try to run with my friends and there friends. Also the regulars i see with rooms all the time. Where respect is given.

I hate when someone spins another guy, then that guy plows thru me to try and get retaliation on the original culprit. Pointless and un-cool.
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I wouldn't be too sure lots of these people wouldn't do the same things in real life, given the opportunity. LOL
I highly recommend the documentary "Senna"... It details the bitter rivalry between him & Prost. LOL :D I would never want to have been the driver putting my car between those 2!
 
supersub7
I like how Codemasters penalty system works on their F1 games, people would get time penalties at the end of the race or even DQ'ed. Not country bashing or anything here but it would always be the Spanish or French getting penalties/DQ'ed. Don't get me wrong i would see plenty of other nations getting penalties but no where near the amount that the Spanish and French got.
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try the brazilians... These guys can't drive clean to save their life... oh my GOD.
If I'm hosting a room, I kick these guys on sight.
 
Most people who are just starting this sort of even slightly serious racing don't understand how a pass is made. They passing means you go faster than the other and somehow you end up in front of them, though really you sometimes have to wait for an opening to appear.

Also I've found some people can only pass from the inside, which is funny. After Bergwerk on the straight I often move to the left side to cover the inside and someone coming up a lot faster than me still tries to cut across the grass to pass me although there's metres of space on the other side and he clearly has the momentum to make the pass on the outside because the turn left is not very sharp.

This applies to the final straight also, which is even funnier. I stick to one side (usually left, for complicated reasons) and someone cuts to the grass to pass me although there's enough space on the right for 3 cars! :lol:
 
OK8
Most people who are just starting this sort of even slightly serious racing don't understand how a pass is made. They passing means you go faster than the other and somehow you end up in front of them, though really you sometimes have to wait for an opening to appear.

Also I've found some people can only pass from the inside, which is funny. After Bergwerk on the straight I often move to the left side to cover the inside and someone coming up a lot faster than me still tries to cut across the grass to pass me although there's metres of space on the other side and he clearly has the momentum to make the pass on the outside because the turn left is not very sharp.

This applies to the final straight also, which is even funnier. I stick to one side (usually left, for complicated reasons) and someone cuts to the grass to pass me although there's enough space on the right for 3 cars! :lol:
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This is the truth. Some passes require multiple turns. The pass may begin in turn 1 but will not be completed till turn 3. Seems most just bump their way in there and force things to happen even though the space is not there.
 
OK8
Most people who are just starting this sort of even slightly serious racing don't understand how a pass is made. They passing means you go faster than the other and somehow you end up in front of them, though really you sometimes have to wait for an opening to appear.

Also I've found some people can only pass from the inside, which is funny. After Bergwerk on the straight I often move to the left side to cover the inside and someone coming up a lot faster than me still tries to cut across the grass to pass me although there's metres of space on the other side and he clearly has the momentum to make the pass on the outside because the turn left is not very sharp.

This applies to the final straight also, which is even funnier. I stick to one side (usually left, for complicated reasons) and someone cuts to the grass to pass me although there's enough space on the right for 3 cars! :lol:
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So very true! A guy did this the other day, straight across the grass and into the wall at the end because he couldn't brake enough on the traction less grass. Just repassed him on the inside :)
 
Eric W
They don't.
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They do, if penalties are on.

It's a very good thing for short races, since if you get lapped in under ten minutes in an equal car you are likely a danger to the competent drivers. But it's very annoying in a long race with damage or multiclass racing and a full field of competent drivers.
 
It's easy to confuse an inexperienced driver with an overly aggresive driver. Someone just getting their feet wet online will have difficulties gauging brake zones when following with the slipstream. Adjusting to online physics is another issue. Not knowing how to setup a pass on an unfamiliar track as well. A real newb wouldn't have a clue what OLR was, so apologizing wouldn't cross their mind.

I used to try racing on the Ring when I first started going online. It just got too frustrating in pubs. Hats off to the guys who race there on a regular basis.

A good thing about racing in a league with friends is that a shove in a pub lobby can be laughed off. But it's a shame if your time is limited to just racing in random lobbies and your race gets ruined.
 
Good video, if a little over-simplified and over-cautious particularly at the start, like most on-line rules. The problem is it's very difficult to define and police what "fully alongside" is, and I expect every different sanction has their own rules.

Being 100% even, wheel to wheel, is often not possible in a competitive race, but of course there has to be a line somewhere. I generally consider 60% or so alongside to be far enough up that your opponent has no one to blame but himself if he doesn't see you, and this is what I routinely see in the real world as well. If your front wheel is in front of your opponents head, he absolutely should be able to see your car, and the position is clearly under contention. Front-wheel just ahead of rear-wheel is of course not enough and asking for an accident.

The other thing that is often over-simplified is "giving up the corner." I think they mean the right thing, but that makes it sound like you must cede the position, instead of allowing the other car room to race.
 
I race mostly at the ring with my friends and tend to give more space than neccesary bacause of the narrov/bumpy track.

I rather "give up" the corner if the car is about 40-60% up.
 
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ncrthree
It's easy to confuse an inexperienced driver with an overly aggresive driver. Someone just getting their feet wet online will have difficulties gauging brake zones when following with the slipstream.
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👍 Absolutely true.
And I can say that sometimes when I get in a car I'm unfamiliar with... or if ABS is off & I don't know it until I get on the track! Sometimes I probably seem like I'm dive-bombing or being reckless, when really it's just a matter of not being warmed up to the situation.

Lots of people also have problems drafting to corners & not being cognizant that they need to brake earlier, until it's too late... and that's just something that comes with practice & experience.
 
RoadRocket77
try the brazilians... These guys can't drive clean to save their life... oh my GOD.
If I'm hosting a room, I kick these guys on sight.
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Agreed!!!!! Every Brazilian i've seen drives like they "own" the road.... ugh! Very frustrating.
 
Sobek
Agreed!!!!! Every Brazilian i've seen drives like they "own" the road.... ugh! Very frustrating.
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I object to this... Granted, I only have raced with one Brazilian that I know of... But she's one of the cleanest & deft drivers I've raced with.
 
I have met very few Brasilians that I have enjoyed racing with. I usually end up not wanting to race with them and just kicking them.

I do allow free run for testing and time trial before the race and if anyone doesn't use free run properly I will kick them.
 
If/When I race online I never race serious and I think thats a problem with a few people. They take it so seriously that they have to pass a slower car no matter what, as they consider themselves the best and noone can beat them.

I know personally if I get stuck behind a car and there defending well fair play to them, I won't force myself passed them I'll either make very early moves so they know where I am going or just wait for a mistake. Although I do take advantage of mistakes or gaps as anyone would. Same when defensive driving.

In private races you can have a lot more fun as guys know your not going to take each other out so you can race to the full potential and excitement with close, epic racing. I certainly agree with the video though very nice video similar to an idea I had in the past of making.
 
Well, I do take my racing seriously but not to the point where I need to win every race to be happy. For me it all about quality of the race and that is it.

I don't have a problem with anyone being better or not as good as me as long as they are trying and taking the racing seriously. If they are not, then there are plenty of other lobbies for them. I don't have a problem with wrecking, it happens, as long as the wreck wasn't intentional.

When I host endurance races, 1 hour+, then I will run them in my private lounge. But if I feel like doing a short 20 to 40 minute race then I will run them in an open lobby with the hope of finding other individuals to befriend and perhaps invite into some real racing.

If we only stick to private racing then we will never meet other drivers who actually like to race.
 
SkierPS3
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On a side note, how did a Beetle manage to take you out?
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Was lapping the track in a McLaren F1 and went to pass the guy with the Beetle. Just as I went to pass on the right, BAM, hits me and causes me to spin (thanks to the awkward ways that lag works I guess). Why did he do so? I don't know. Didn't feel like dealing with the 🤬 hole and just blasted past him on the straightaway before the second to last corner.

Some people... :/
 

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